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22:00:04 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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22:00:06 <stickster> #topic Roll call
22:00:08 <stickster> .hello pfrields
22:00:10 <nb> .hello nb
22:00:10 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <>
22:00:13 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <>
22:00:15 <jflory7> .hello jflory7
22:00:16 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <>
22:01:02 <jflory7> Evening all :)
22:01:05 * stickster gives a couple minutes for people to shuffle in
22:01:13 <cydrobolt> .hello cydrobolt
22:01:14 <zodbot> cydrobolt: cydrobolt 'Chaoyi Zha' <>
22:01:14 <jflory7> mhmm.
22:01:36 <jflory7> It's nice to have everyone back now :)
22:01:42 * stickster warns everyone, he's coming off two weeks of travel and this week has been crammed full of meetings. Next week is not quite as bad, hopefully.
22:02:02 <jflory7> No worries!
22:02:20 <jflory7> I anticipate today's meeting agenda is pretty light, anyways
22:02:55 <stickster> #chair jflory7 nb cydrobolt
22:02:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: cydrobolt jflory7 nb stickster
22:02:59 <croberts> hi guys
22:03:03 <stickster> #chair croberts
22:03:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: croberts cydrobolt jflory7 nb stickster
22:03:04 <jflory7> o/
22:03:15 <stickster> #topic Review from last week(s) -- jflory7
22:03:31 <jflory7> Want me to handle this one?
22:03:32 <stickster> jflory7: any highlights you want to report? catch up?
22:04:12 <jflory7> For the most part, the Magazine schedule was fairly consistent with a MWF publishing schedule. There were a couple of hiccups, but everything generally went well.
22:04:18 <jflory7> Not too busy but not too slow either.
22:04:25 * jflory7 doesn't have any stats prepared
22:04:37 <jflory7> cprofitt's series has been received pretty well :)
22:04:43 <jflory7> Otherwise, that's all I have to say
22:04:44 <stickster> jflory7: tbh, I usually just use the dashboard on the fly, so no worries :-)
22:04:55 <croberts> im coming back and so far everything has looked really good :)
22:05:05 <croberts> anything that you need me to do to get back into it again
22:05:22 <stickster> croberts: Honestly, we probably need a writer with an idea or two to pitch and write :-)
22:05:37 <jflory7> croberts: Depending on your technical knowledge or general interest, there's a lot of Holding Pen ideas that can probably be revisited -- we're pretty short on new ideas right now. :)
22:05:40 <jflory7> stickster++
22:05:56 <croberts> sounds good
22:06:17 <stickster> croberts: are you interested in one of these?
22:06:28 * croberts looks
22:06:54 <jflory7> I guess that's probably the queue for next topic? :)
22:06:59 * stickster notes the following may be not so good ideas: * Nuntius; * Rust (outdated); * Eclipse Mars (outdated)
22:07:04 <stickster> jflory7: Good point, let's do it
22:07:12 <stickster> #topic Holding pen / Pitches
22:07:13 <jflory7> +1 for just purging the Eclipse Mars article
22:07:20 <stickster> #link
22:07:55 <stickster> jflory7: I would recommend we Trash all these -- Nuntius apparently doesn't work well according to ryanlerch. The other two are clearly way out of date
22:08:00 <croberts> stickster: i can do Get Android notifications on your Workstation with Nuntius
22:08:04 <jflory7> THe Profile series can also go
22:08:07 <stickster> croberts: ^^
22:08:09 <jflory7> cprofitt is already doing that too
22:08:18 <jflory7> stickster: I'm +1
22:08:18 * stickster likes cleaning up cruft :-)
22:08:23 <stickster> anyone object?
22:08:33 <jflory7> Let me give a final scroll through
22:08:38 <jflory7> Oh--
22:08:42 <jflory7> AWS tools is relevant
22:08:44 <jflory7> cc: fale
22:08:54 <jflory7> I think he was able to take that one on around now, he said
22:09:08 <croberts> blah ok
22:09:13 <jflory7> KDE article can probably also go unless Sudhir or someone else is around to take it
22:09:15 * stickster only trashing Mars + Rust. croberts is in the Nuntius article right now.
22:09:45 <jflory7> stickster: Is your systemd article still relevant?
22:10:16 * fale will work at AWS article tomorrow or this weekend
22:10:22 <stickster> jflory7: Relevant, yes... but apparently either (1) setting this up is hard, or (2) I'm not very smart. I currently vote for (2) so if someone else knows how to do it, I'd gladly give it up
22:10:36 <stickster> croberts: Is systemd remote logging anything you've run into for customers or anyone else?
22:10:45 <jflory7> I think articles in here that are still good topics are: "Protect your privacy with OpenVPN", "cockpit overview", "KDE Connect: Future of Convergence is Here", "AWS tools in Fedora"
22:11:15 <stickster> jflory7: +1
22:11:27 <stickster> fale: That would be awesome! I would really like to read this article, to be honest.
22:11:32 <jflory7> I think all others can probably get thrown out
22:12:09 <jflory7> Well, and the systemd one is good if we can find a writer for it.
22:12:12 <jflory7> Same for KDE
22:12:14 * stickster trashes Nuntius and systemd
22:12:20 <jflory7> +1
22:12:26 <stickster> we can always bring it back from the dead if needed, but I don't want to stare it and get demoralized :-D
22:12:27 <jflory7> Any words on cgroup?
22:12:30 <jflory7> Mhmm.
22:12:40 <stickster> cgroups is actually *really* interesting stuff
22:12:41 <jflory7> stickster++
22:12:54 <stickster> croberts: what about that one? Are you interested/willing?
22:13:04 <jflory7> stickster: Never mind the fact that you penned like, uhhh, a good number of the articles in the series. ;)
22:13:27 <croberts> stickster: i have not done anything with systemd but i can learn :)
22:13:35 <croberts> might take me more than a few days though
22:13:50 <stickster> croberts: I don't want to turn these into big research projects... that burns out writing talent :-)
22:13:51 <nb> what about a selinux article?
22:13:52 <croberts> systemd is not one of my strong suites
22:13:54 <jflory7> fale: I'm going to move your AWS article out of the holding pen back into drafts :)
22:14:00 <jflory7> nb++ I think yes!!
22:14:06 <stickster> croberts: What is? (Seriously, not snarky.) Would love to see you do something in your sweet spot
22:14:07 <nb> do we have something talking about like how to semanage and stuff
22:14:08 <fale> jflory7: perfect, thanks :)
22:14:14 <stickster> nb: GREAT IDEA
22:14:28 * nb also would like to write one about how to use gpg smart cards
22:14:34 <stickster> nb: GREAT IDEA AGAIN.
22:14:41 <stickster> nb: If you would like to, then do it!
22:14:43 <jflory7> #info "AWS tools in Fedora" moved out of Holding Pen back into Drafts; fale will resume writing the article this week
22:14:47 <jflory7> nb++ nb++ nb++
22:14:51 <stickster> nb++
22:14:53 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for nb changed to 19 (for the f23 release cycle):
22:15:10 <stickster> I should probably hold onto cookies until I see a draft :-D
22:15:35 <jflory7> #info Other misc. articles that haven't been touched in a good amount of time are being removed (e.g. Eclipse Mars, systemd remote logging, Rust in Fedora, and a small number of others)
22:15:43 <stickster> nb: I would consider those pitches "
22:15:45 <stickster> oops
22:16:01 <stickster> nb: I would consider those pitches "pre-approved". Just start writing and save them in 'Draft' status
22:16:12 <nb> ok
22:16:12 <stickster> jflory7: thanks for minutes help :-)
22:16:12 <croberts> stickster: i enjoy gnome or desktops, would like to do something on a feature in one of the desktop managers, or a article on an app or katello
22:16:29 <croberts> katello is what i do internally and would love to highlight its opensource brother
22:16:42 <jflory7> #info Articles up for grabs: "Protect your privacy with OpenVPN", "cockpit overview", "KDE Connect: Future of Convergence is Here", "cgroups"
22:16:48 <jflory7> no problem!
22:17:02 <jflory7> croberts: Any of those above mentioned articles are good for picking up :)
22:17:21 <jflory7> fale: Does a week from today seem like a good due date for AWS tools?
22:17:53 <croberts> jflory7: i can look at cockpit overview
22:17:57 <croberts> i have been wanting to learn more about it
22:18:10 <stickster> croberts: I would *really* like to see that one (cockpit) for sure
22:18:13 <jflory7> croberts: Excellent -- want to make it official?
22:18:29 * stickster cheers croberts on
22:18:32 <croberts> jflory7: stickster sure i can do it, what timeline are we looking at
22:18:51 * jflory7 looks at our current drafts
22:19:03 <jflory7> Next week would be nice, but the week after next isn't a bad shot either
22:19:11 <croberts> sounds good
22:19:22 <stickster> jflory7: croberts: Yeah, for good measure let's give croberts a few extra days?
22:19:29 <jflory7> So, let's say... Feb. 26 as a deadline?
22:19:36 * jflory7 is just throwing a date out there
22:19:43 <stickster> jflory7: I was going to say Feb 29 which gives the weekend too
22:19:48 <jflory7> Works for me :)
22:19:49 <stickster> croberts: ^ how does that sound?
22:21:15 <stickster> I think this could start with assuming Fedora Server is installed (point out to appropriate 'how-to' if needed, don't rewrite this stuff); how to get Cockpit running; how to login to it; some simple tasks you can view/manage
22:21:27 <stickster> croberts: ^ sound OK?
22:21:39 <jflory7> stickster: +1 for that
22:22:04 <fale> jflory7: I think yes :)
22:22:11 <jflory7> fale: Excellent :)
22:22:14 <nb> +1
22:22:42 * stickster not actioning croberts until we hear back a +1
22:22:49 <jflory7> #action fale Finish drafting AWS article by Feb. 25 before 22:00 UTC, share with list when finished
22:22:53 <jflory7> stickster: Agreed.
22:24:15 <jflory7> Oh!!
22:24:17 <jflory7> A pitch.
22:24:33 <stickster> rr?
22:24:33 <jflory7> stickster: Wanted your feedback on this one especially -- I posted to the list first because I was wary of where it would be best to go
22:24:37 <jflory7> one sec, fetching link
22:24:46 * stickster sorry for not being up2date on the list... ugh so much mail from outage.
22:25:15 <jflory7> stickster: I totally get it, not assigning any blame :)
22:25:17 <jflory7> stickster:
22:25:25 <croberts> stickster: jflory7 sounds good
22:25:29 <croberts> feb 29 works
22:25:30 <jflory7> croberts++
22:25:59 <stickster> #action croberts Draft the cockpit article for review by Monday 2016-Feb-29
22:26:05 <stickster> croberts: Awesome!
22:26:05 <jflory7> #info croberts is taking on the "cockpit overview" article from the Holding Pen, to be finished by Feb. 29
22:26:08 <jflory7> whoops
22:26:11 <stickster> hee hee
22:26:38 <jflory7> Two different commands :)
22:26:50 <stickster> Man, I love the article idea about the Black Box.
22:26:54 <jflory7> Anyways, my concern on this Black Box article was whether our audience was the best one
22:27:03 <jflory7> I'd love to write it for the Magazine
22:27:12 <jflory7> But want to make sure we've got the right audience for it.
22:27:16 <stickster> So maybe it's not Fedora specific, but it does *include* offering Fedora, right?
22:27:32 <jflory7> Hmmm, I suppose it can, with Fedora being the "free and open source" kind of model
22:27:44 <jflory7> Likely would not be too hard to tie it back in at the end
22:28:09 <stickster> just a small note -- but what I was getting at, jflory7, was that we also had our article on Pagure, which is also not "about" Fedora
22:28:20 <stickster> we use it in infrastructure but it's an upstream project with a life of its own
22:28:21 <jflory7> Oh, true, I forgot about that.
22:28:26 <jflory7> FOSSy kind of news.
22:28:53 <jflory7> Yeah, I'm seeing now that this should be fine... cool. :)
22:29:14 <stickster> Guys, I have to go. Emergency here.
22:29:22 <jflory7> Okay, I can take over
22:29:24 * stickster sorry
22:29:25 <jflory7> Hope all is well
22:29:32 <jflory7> Take care of what you need to!
22:30:16 * jflory7 hopes all will be well
22:30:53 <jflory7> So, I guess with that note in mind, I'll begin the drafting process for the Black Box article. Hopefully sometime in early March? Let me #info + #action that to me.
22:31:54 <jflory7> #info "Black Box" article idea will still be appropriate for the Magazine, for the same reasons that we wrote about Pagure, which didn't explicitly mention Fedora. This article will take some time to get going and get interview questions, but expect in early March at the latest.
22:32:12 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Begin drafting the "Black Box" article and begin the interview process
22:32:30 <jflory7> Okay, last call for picking up any of the other drafts or any new ideas?
22:32:46 <jflory7> Going once--
22:32:54 <jflory7> Going twice--
22:33:02 <jflory7> Going thrice--
22:33:08 <jflory7> #topic Drafts
22:33:23 <jflory7> If anyone has any new pitches, feel free to write one up and share with the list at any time. :)
22:33:51 <jflory7> #info === AWS tools in Fedora ===
22:33:53 <jflory7> #link
22:34:07 <jflory7> #info Already discussed earlier in meeting; expect to be completed near Feb. 25
22:34:17 <jflory7> #info === Installing another desktop ===
22:34:23 <jflory7> #link
22:34:34 <jflory7> Sylvia posted to the list asking for feedback on this article.
22:35:01 <jflory7> We were discussing whether we wanted to split it up into smaller articles for each desktop environment.
22:35:13 <jflory7> Looks like it might still be in progress. I think she said it would be ready farther down the line.
22:35:33 <jflory7> #info Discussed on the list, no new details to report. Anticipate completion farther down the line.
22:35:43 <jflory7> #info === Getting started with the i3 tiling window manager ===
22:35:50 <jflory7> #link
22:36:03 <jflory7> I caught William working on this one earlier today :)
22:36:07 * jflory7 is opening article
22:36:38 <jflory7> Seems fairly solid to me. Not sure if it's complete yet.
22:36:49 <jflory7> There's been a few screenshots added recently.
22:37:18 <jflory7> I'll follow up on the list with him unless he's around now.
22:37:48 <jflory7> Not seeing him in any channels, so will follow up on list. :)
22:38:21 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Follow up with williamjmorenor on status of i3 article – seems like it's nearing completion, if not done!
22:38:44 <jflory7> #info === GPG: Key Management, Part 2 ===
22:38:47 <jflory7> #link
22:38:54 <jflory7> Okay -- this one is due for tomorrow!
22:39:11 <jflory7> cprofitt isn't around either right now -- hopefully we can follow up with him tonight about it.
22:39:24 <jflory7> #nick cprofitt
22:39:53 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Follow up with cprofitt on the GPG article status -- if possible, get ready for tomorrow; if not, defer to Monday
22:40:07 <jflory7> #info === Gimp – A fast overview ===
22:40:34 <jflory7> #link
22:40:58 <jflory7> Seems like this one is still in progress.
22:41:16 <jflory7> I don't see Kohane here either, so we'll likely have to defer this one to the mailing list.
22:41:48 <jflory7> I think she said end of this week, but I'll have to double-check later.
22:41:54 <jflory7> #nick Kohane
22:42:06 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Follow up with Kohane on the mailing list about status of Gimp article
22:42:16 <jflory7> Last draft--
22:42:20 <jflory7> #info === Fedora stickers available ===
22:42:26 <jflory7> #link
22:42:43 <jflory7> Ahh, this was one I was hoping to see if we could decide on tonight.
22:42:57 <jflory7> Anyone happen to have any UnixStickers on hand, by chance? :)
22:43:28 <jflory7> Or any of the stickers that are on the page?
22:43:46 <jflory7> We're still in need of some sticker snaps, but the pictures we have now are all of stickers that aren't for sale. :(
22:45:53 <nb> there are photos on their website
22:45:57 <nb> although its only of individual stickers
22:46:05 <nb> jflory7, email them and ask for photo of several together or something?
22:46:07 <jflory7> Hmmm, yeah... I guess we can just grab some of those.
22:46:09 <jflory7> Ohh!
22:46:14 <nb> they might do it, especially if they know it means more publicity :)
22:46:24 <jflory7> nb++ hadn't even thought of it. Especially if we're looking at using them for FAmNA...
22:47:01 <decause> .hello decause
22:47:02 <zodbot> decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' <>
22:47:06 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Email for fun pictures of the stickers for use in a promotional article on the Magazine
22:47:09 <jflory7> decause++
22:47:27 <jflory7> nb: In the event we can't get any pictures, hopefully they can come through :)
22:47:35 <jflory7> Otherwise, I think that wraps up all the drafts.
22:47:36 <decause> not quite home yet, but checking in
22:47:53 <jflory7> I can't be sure to give a definite date for the stickers article... but next week would be most preferred.
22:48:00 <jflory7> But it depends on the answer I'll get from them.
22:48:19 <jflory7> Otherwise, I'll move on for a schedule proposal
22:48:46 <jflory7> decause: Sounds good, no worries -- we're about done here. stickster had to duck out for a family emergency... :(
22:48:53 * jflory7 hopes everything is okay
22:49:01 <jflory7> #topic Publishing Schedule
22:49:07 <jflory7> Okay, let me give a proposal:
22:50:13 <jflory7> Hmmmm...
22:50:33 <jflory7> I'm not seeing too busy of a schedule next week... it really depends on the drafts we have in there right now.
22:50:50 <jflory7> We might just have to wing it for next week... maybe aim for two articles, one on Tuesday and the other on Thursday
22:50:59 <jflory7> Stickers can hopefully go out next week, along with hopefully something else
22:51:11 <jflory7> I'll have to see if I can maybe find something over the weekend to add to the schedule
22:51:34 <jflory7> #proposed Friday, Feb. 19: "GPG: Key Management, Part 2"; next week's schedule will be tentative for what is available, might be two articles next week
22:51:36 <jflory7> +1
22:54:35 <jflory7> Going once--
22:55:11 <jflory7> Going twice--
22:55:31 <jflory7> Going thrice--
22:55:57 <jflory7> Thanks for coming out tonight, all – enjoy the rest of your evening!
22:55:58 <jflory7> #endmeeting