04:30:04 <pravins> #startmeeting g11n
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04:30:19 <juhp> hi
04:30:23 <pravins> #meetingname g11n
04:30:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'g11n'
04:30:30 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
04:30:30 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Meetings/2015-10-07
04:30:34 <paragan> hi
04:30:39 <pravins> hi juhp, paragan :)
04:30:40 <juhp> o/
04:30:46 <pravins> #chair juhp paragan
04:30:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: juhp paragan pravins
04:30:46 <mfabian_> Hi!
04:30:52 <pravins> hi mfabian_ :)
04:30:56 <pravins> #chair mfabian_
04:30:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: juhp mfabian_ paragan pravins
04:31:23 <pravins> who else available for meeting today.
04:31:30 <pravins> ?
04:32:36 <pravins> while other joins, lets start see upcoming schedule.
04:33:01 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
04:33:49 <tagoh_> hi
04:34:04 <ueno> hi
04:34:39 <pravins> hi tagoh_ ueno :)
04:34:43 <pravins> #chair tagoh_ ueno
04:34:43 <zodbot> Current chairs: juhp mfabian_ paragan pravins tagoh_ ueno
04:34:56 <pravins> #info 2015-10-13 	Final Freeze (*)
04:34:56 <pravins> #info 2015-10-27 	Fedora 23 Final Release
04:35:10 <pravins> just one week for final freeze.
04:35:25 <pravins> We did good this time as well.
04:35:54 <aeng> hi
04:36:05 <pravins> hi aeng :)
04:36:10 <pravins> #chair aeng
04:36:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng juhp mfabian_ paragan pravins tagoh_ ueno
04:36:23 <pravins> moving ahead
04:36:24 <pravins> #topic G11N FAD
04:36:27 <pravins> #info #43: G11N FAD in 2015
04:36:32 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/43
04:36:44 <pravins> Please create tickets to get subsidy for FAD travel. Getting all tickets help us to understand how much allocated budget we have spend on travel and accommodation.
04:37:02 <juhp> yes
04:37:22 <pravins> thanks paragan mfabian_ for creating tickets.
04:37:27 <juhp> I think it is a requirement for getting reimbursement from Fedora
04:37:29 <noriko> hi
04:37:41 <pravins> juhp: +1
04:37:53 <aeng> ah
04:37:55 <aeng> good to know
04:38:41 <pravins> i think noriko epico and anish_ and ani remaining.
04:38:48 <pravins> hi noriko :)
04:38:50 <pravins> #chair noriko
04:38:50 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng juhp mfabian_ noriko paragan pravins tagoh_ ueno
04:40:15 <noriko> pravins, is any form to fill?
04:40:19 <juhp> today is still holiday in China
04:40:50 <pravins> noriko: simply follow other tickets, like https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/7
04:41:01 <pravins> Please understand, no tickets no reimbursement.
04:41:22 <noriko> pravins, create a ticket per person?
04:41:47 <pravins> noriko: yes, me, paragan and mfabian_ already created. please refer them.
04:42:27 <noriko> oki
04:42:36 <pravins> if any further question, feel free to ask me offline.
04:42:43 <pravins> next update:
04:42:55 <pravins> I sent an email to FPL last week for hangout with Fedora G11N group.
04:42:57 <pravins> during FAD
04:43:03 <pravins> He replied positively.
04:43:34 <pravins> so good news is we are going to have Hangout with FPL during FAD :)
04:43:43 <aeng> of all session?
04:43:59 <pravins> aeng: nope, this will be only single session for 30min.
04:44:09 <aeng> ok
04:44:12 <juhp> great
04:44:35 <aeng> its mainly for us to update them regarding g11n group?
04:44:43 <pravins> #info FPL agreed for Hangout with G11N group during FAD.
04:45:02 <pravins> aeng: its two way. First FPL can shared present ongoing things in Fedora and where we should focus.
04:45:31 <pravins> and Q & A session.
04:45:36 <aeng> pravins, ok. Just want to make sure there's subject to talk about
04:46:34 <pravins> AFAIK very few of us ever got chance to communicate with FPL. so this is good opportunity.
04:46:36 <juhp> sounds good
04:46:44 <juhp> +1
04:47:00 <juhp> thanks for arranging it
04:47:13 <juhp> so need to set a time?
04:47:15 <pravins> welcome :)
04:47:39 <pravins> yes, I think this will be mostly morning sessions. http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/to/jst/to-est/
04:47:59 <aeng> should we set the time in the scehdule?
04:48:54 <pravins> yes, we should do this during scheduling.
04:49:31 <pravins> should we work on scheduling now? may be very less time since we have some more topics
04:49:46 <juhp> I guess EDT will end soon
04:49:55 <aeng> pravins, we can work on the scedule in separate meeting
04:50:04 <aeng> schedule
04:50:08 <pravins> right, me too think same.
04:50:15 <pravins> juhp: may be in tomorrows meeting?
04:50:23 <juhp> right that could work
04:50:49 <pravins> great. i will send reminder on mailing list
04:51:08 <pravins> juhp: EDT is ending. is that chart is right?
04:51:36 <pravins> http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/to/jst/to-est/
04:51:38 <juhp> ah they are both there i see
04:52:10 <pravins> it looks exact 12hrs difference.
04:53:35 <pravins> #info Discussing on schedule in tomorrow - will send reminder to list soon.
04:53:49 <pravins> anything on G11N FAD?
04:54:13 <noriko> yes, one
04:54:36 <pravins> sure.
04:55:05 <noriko> I've been contacted by a couple of community people in Japan who has interest with FAD. I have no answer for them.
04:55:10 <juhp> 10 hours :) http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=2&month=11&year=2015&p1=248&p2=43&iv=0
04:55:23 <juhp> aha
04:55:27 <aeng> should get them to join in if possible
04:55:40 <pravins> noriko: yeah, we should ask them.
04:55:45 <pravins> to join
04:55:53 <noriko> well, we can invite them all??
04:56:02 <pravins> how many are they?
04:56:18 <aeng> well.. do we allocate budget for them too?
04:56:25 <aeng> or just joined in?
04:56:28 <juhp> I agree good to have more community involvement - on the other hand already feel the FAD is large enough
04:56:35 <noriko> i got contact a few, but if I invite then the number can be increased.
04:56:43 <anish_> hi
04:56:54 <anish_> sorry for late joining
04:56:58 <pravins> We have 14 people presently.
04:57:14 <pravins> anish_: you are just in time. if any concert on FAD do raise.
04:57:17 <aeng> pravins, juhp +- 5 should be fine
04:57:17 <pravins> #chair anish_
04:57:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng anish_ juhp mfabian_ noriko paragan pravins tagoh_ ueno
04:57:35 <aeng> what you guys think?
04:57:49 <pravins> We are presently 14 members.
04:57:54 <juhp> aeng, yeah - I think it is already too big so why not :)
04:58:04 <aeng> :)
04:58:12 <noriko> what is the plan and what is the expectation from the community?
04:58:22 <pravins> :)
04:58:39 <pravins> If we do scheduling properly. i.e. split/parallel sessions. It is possible,
04:58:52 <aeng> i think for now is to get updates of g11n group, and probably involve in feedback session
04:59:44 <aeng> understand the direction of the group, and at the same time, work out how can we improve support to them
04:59:47 <pravins> noriko: community members should definitely join Fedora 23 release party on 3rd day.
05:00:00 * pravins hope i am correct, its on 3rd day :)
05:00:26 <noriko> pravins, do you mean anyone can join 3rd at least?
05:00:33 <pravins> but ideally we should motivate community to join FAD. Its good chance for them to learn for experienced Feodra contributors
05:00:37 <pravins> s/Fedora
05:00:58 <pravins> yes for release party its fine.
05:01:08 <pravins> noriko: but good if we can get number in advance.
05:01:14 <noriko> pravins, I think people are there waiting for your announcement how they an involve.
05:01:22 <noriko> they can involve.
05:01:52 <pravins> noriko: just ask them to send email for there interest in joining FAD/.
05:01:58 <anish_> yeah it would be good to spread fedora message
05:02:56 <pravins> #info If anyone from Tokyo interested in joining FAD, please send email to pravins, tagoh_ or juhp.
05:03:03 <noriko> pravins, well that is our task I think. To inform what topics are discussed/shared.
05:03:14 <pravins> noriko: good point.
05:03:18 <aeng> +1, and let them decide which to join
05:03:28 <aeng> or which interest them
05:03:31 <noriko> if we now ask them to send in their interest, we can't manage.
05:03:42 <pravins> agree !!
05:03:54 <pravins> as you know, we are going to work on schedule tomorrow. Once that is done, may be we can announce it.
05:03:56 <pravins> sounds good?
05:04:01 <aeng> +1
05:04:10 <noriko> +10
05:04:15 <pravins> :)
05:04:31 <pravins> moving to next topic
05:04:32 <pravins> #topic Zanata feedback survey
05:04:36 <pravins> #3: Zanata translation platform user survey
05:04:38 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/3
05:04:43 <pravins> Magazine group agreed to publish article on this in magazine.
05:04:48 <pravins> lukebrooker: any update on this?
05:05:04 <aeng> https://gist.github.com/lukebrooker/714dade289b1ae33187b
05:05:10 <aeng> just got email from lukebrooker
05:05:11 <lukebrooker> pravins I just sent an email
05:05:12 <lukebrooker> aeng, yep
05:05:57 <pravins> lukebrooker: nice blog !!
05:06:05 <lukebrooker> Thanks
05:06:21 <pravins> did we announced it on social media?
05:06:45 <lukebrooker> Not yet
05:06:46 <pravins> Fedora magazine is taking bit more time. Lets consider it just one more add-on to our other survey outreach plans.
05:06:48 <lukebrooker> I'll do it soon
05:07:45 <pravins> PaulF mentioned that article in magazine need some good work on improvement.
05:08:06 <juhp> pravins, is the draft somewhere?
05:08:23 <pravins> it in pitch state in Fedora Magazine, even i cant see it :(
05:09:27 <aeng> hmmm
05:09:48 <pravins> lukebrooker: can you add few more authors into it? so other can also help to edit it.
05:10:06 <lukebrooker> Yep no worries
05:10:24 <pravins> aha, nice its in Draft stage now :)
05:11:10 <pravins> anyway, in general its in your court lukebrooker :)
05:11:18 <pravins> feel free to ping, if any help needed !!
05:11:45 <pravins> #info Zanata article in Fedora Magazine now in Draft stage. Luke planning to announce it soon.
05:11:57 <pravins> #topic Bug 126824 - virt-top
05:12:03 <pravins> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=126824
05:12:05 <juhp> yeah without seeing the text it is hard to have an idea what PaulF wants
05:12:09 <pravins> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/trans/2015-October/012160.html
05:13:24 <juhp> 126824?
05:13:49 <pravins> juhp: true. lukebrooker may be simply update doc you shared earlier with draft with current magazine draft content and share it with us.
05:14:31 <pravins> juhp: single bug was not topic though.
05:14:35 <pravins> Wanted to bring this to meeting.
05:14:38 <juhp> was above for the magazine?
05:14:51 <pravins> sorry, it is next topic.
05:15:14 <pravins> noriko: Robert has reported number of issue and actively asking for help on trans mailing list.
05:15:20 <pravins> rather on g11n list.
05:15:35 <pravins> looks like most of the issues reported during L10N test days.
05:15:41 <pravins> can anyone take a look at it?
05:16:35 <juhp> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1268241 :)
05:17:34 * anish_ will be back in few mins
05:17:37 <pravins> oops, wrong number :(
05:17:41 <pravins> thanks juhp :)
05:18:16 <noriko> umm, it looks like the pakcage maintainer rather an help for bug 1268241?
05:18:25 <noriko> rather can help
05:18:42 * noriko wonder what happening to my 'c' key of my keyboard...
05:18:59 <pravins> noriko: may be excessively used key ;)
05:19:21 <noriko> he X-D
05:19:50 <pravins> noriko: can you take a look at issues he is reporting and just divert to appropriate person.
05:20:10 <pravins> i feel its like, translation has been done in upstream but still not available in Fedora.
05:20:17 <pravins> but there are few more issues.
05:20:43 <noriko> may be ani would be best person for QA test related.
05:20:55 <noriko> will look into it anyway
05:21:08 <pravins> yeah, even i will also look into all his requested issue. :)
05:21:53 <pravins> moving to next topic.
05:21:56 <pravins> #topic Moving translation deadlines around Beta
05:22:18 <noriko> aha, i see, he relied 'i18n bi-weekly meeting reminder', which made me automatically skipped.
05:22:18 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/4
05:22:21 <paragan> I think we can discuss this in coming FAD and make some proposal to FESCo
05:23:00 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/2
05:23:19 <pravins> paragan: yeah, good point.
05:23:23 <pravins> recent update is.
05:23:27 <pravins> Schedule for Fedora 24 published. ​https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2015-October/001681.html
05:24:14 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/24/Schedule
05:24:32 <pravins> noriko: so even for F24 Software deadline is again after Alpha.
05:24:56 <pravins> paragan: do you think, we should at least report ticket for this presently?
05:25:15 <paragan> no we need proposal first
05:25:18 <noriko> pravins, yea... this topic is supposed to be discussed and gained consensus among g11n, f24 might be too late.
05:25:25 <noriko> see how it goes.
05:25:49 <noriko> +1 paragan
05:25:51 <paragan> maybe it will not be part of F24 schedule but good to discuss in brief and decide on proposal and file ticket
05:26:02 <pravins> noriko: i remember you create one proposal draft earlier for this.
05:26:18 <noriko> yup.
05:26:37 <pravins> noriko: can you provide link for it?
05:26:37 <noriko> I need to give a little more tweak.
05:27:08 <noriko> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_New_Software_Deadline_Proposal
05:27:16 <pravins> thanks noriko :)
05:27:32 <noriko> pravins, I will give minor change in a few days.
05:27:48 <noriko> paragan,
05:27:56 <noriko> thanks for amendment suggestion.
05:28:10 <paragan> sure noriko thanks
05:28:22 <pravins> paragan++
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05:28:24 <noriko> but I am not sure what can be improved. could you mind to make them bullets?
05:28:34 <noriko> -> paragan
05:29:11 <pravins> i think we can create ticket with this proposal for now. Lets see what objection comes for it.
05:29:14 <paragan> I will see how we can improve it
05:29:15 <pravins> and then we can work on it.
05:29:39 <pravins> my only concern is once F23 schedule get over it might become difficult to change schedule.
05:29:52 <pravins> #info 2015-10-27 	Fedora 23 Final Release
05:30:01 <pravins> bit early that our proposed FAD.
05:30:06 <pravins> s/that/than
05:30:54 <pravins> Please note: We need to extend todays meeting for more 10min.
05:32:36 <noriko> pravins, https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/9
05:32:56 <pravins> noriko: nope, not for G11N trac.
05:33:05 <pravins> it should go to FeSco tickets.
05:33:17 <pravins> Fesco is one who decides schedule.
05:33:24 <noriko> pravins, I think we should gain consensus, then we can go to fesco.
05:33:49 <noriko> this ticket is to gather agree or not agree?
05:34:00 <pravins> noriko: good point !!
05:34:13 <pravins> lets discuss on this topic specifically soon.
05:34:21 <noriko> thank you pravins
05:34:50 <pravins> #info G11N will work on getting consensus on moving Translation deadline around Beta.
05:35:00 <pravins> moving to next topic.
05:35:04 <pravins> #topic Localization test day for Fedora 23
05:35:08 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/1
05:35:28 <pravins> I have started working on collaborating report for L10N and I18N test day.
05:35:37 <pravins> it can be either blog post or magazine article.
05:35:56 <pravins> present draft available on
05:36:01 <pravins> #link http://piratepad.net/test-day-report
05:36:17 <Jobava> hello all, all your meetings are seemingly at impossible Euro-times :p
05:36:56 <pravins> Jobava: good point !!
05:37:21 <pravins> if everyone agree sometime, we can try meeting to accommodate Euro timezone as well :)
05:37:29 <aeng> agree
05:37:45 <noriko> yeah
05:37:47 <Jobava> I have to head to work right now, I was just wondering what are deadlines for l10n for f23 or f24
05:37:49 <pravins> Jobava: how about reporting ticket about it in G11N trac. Will see other available time slot :)
05:38:10 <pravins> Jobava: thanks for raising this. point well taken !!
05:38:12 <paragan> so maybe UTC 06:00 time
05:38:40 <pravins> #info G11N meeting times not suitable for Euro timezones.
05:38:58 <pravins> moving to last topic
05:39:12 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
05:39:43 <pravins> please bring in if we missed any important topic or announcement
05:40:27 <aeng> regarding the survey, we might need to get it out soon
05:41:12 <aeng> should we announce it in mailing list ?
05:41:13 <pravins> true. Which date are you looking for?
05:41:21 <aeng> now?
05:41:23 <pravins> yeah, we should start announcing it.
05:41:30 * anish_ is back
05:42:09 <aeng> what do you think pravins
05:42:10 <aeng> ?
05:42:10 <pravins> aeng: pelase coordinate with lukebrooker for this. Everyone given plus for this already. :)
05:42:17 <aeng> alright
05:42:20 <aeng> i will check with him
05:42:50 <pravins> i think Magazine article can go live soon.
05:43:07 <pravins> so, no harm in starting announcements.
05:43:10 <aeng> yeah.. but there's no definite date on that
05:43:16 <pravins> true.
05:43:27 <pravins> thats why no need to wait for Magazine announce
05:43:45 <pravins> lets just treat as one more part of outreach and start with other one.
05:44:01 <aeng> ok
05:44:42 <noriko> i peaked lukebrooker screen this afternoon, some people have started survey, they might pick up the url in our meeting summary or somewhere ;p
05:44:42 <pravins> if nothing else, lets close meeting in couple of minutes.
05:45:31 <pravins> noriko: yeah, even i done survey already :)
05:45:51 <lukebrooker> I can't find ryan to talk about the magazine article right now
05:46:11 <lukebrooker> Happy to post the survey link to the Zanata twitter
05:46:21 <lukebrooker> Can someone else do it for the mailing list?
05:46:27 <pravins> yeah, Magazine article should not become blocker for announcement.
05:46:33 <pravins> at least i feel its not blocker.
05:46:40 <lukebrooker> Oh, also I added one more question near thew end
05:46:47 <pravins> anyone feels its blocker?
05:47:02 <aeng> nope
05:47:03 <lukebrooker> About the how they are involved with Fedora e.g. translator/developer etc
05:47:25 <lukebrooker> noriko bought it up and thought it was good to include
05:47:30 <aeng> it should be just extra way of media to market the survey
05:47:41 <lukebrooker> aeng, yep
05:47:41 <pravins> exactly.
05:49:31 <pravins> lukebrooker: its fine. people who are going to do survey from onwards will answer it :)
05:49:38 <pravins> ok, ending meeting.
05:49:45 <aeng> thanks pravins
05:49:55 <pravins> thanks all for nice meeting. :)
05:50:00 <suanand> thanks pravins
05:50:13 <pravins> We are meeting again tomorrow for working on schedule for FAD. I will announce on mailing list soon.
05:50:21 <pravins> #endmeeting g11n