01:00:03 <award3535> #startmeeting FAmNA 01:00:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri May 22 01:00:03 2015 UTC. The chair is award3535. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:03 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:14 <wrnash> Hi there 01:00:15 <award3535> #meetingname FAmNA 01:00:15 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:16 <Cydrobolt> Hi 01:00:28 <award3535> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call === 01:00:46 <Corey84> here 01:00:56 <award3535> #chair wrnash Cydrobolt 01:00:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: Cydrobolt award3535 wrnash 01:01:04 <Corey84> award3535, got your eamil tonight jsut now 01:01:48 <award3535> corey84 I just sent it a little while ago, had a reminder on my calendar 01:01:54 <Corey84> another late arrival night? 01:03:16 <award3535> #topic === Announcements === 01:03:29 <award3535> anyone have anything before we start 01:03:38 <Corey84> will be at a few Area miny hackathons in the next 2 months will see if any are game for Fedora chat / etc 01:03:48 <award3535> there is only one ticket right now 01:04:15 <award3535> Cydrobolt may be interested 01:04:19 <Corey84> I have nothing pressing 01:04:24 <Cydrobolt> yeah 01:04:31 <Corey84> Its sadly local to DC 01:05:01 <Corey84> but will post when more info comes out as 2 are sponsored by 1776 and aol respectively 01:05:01 <award3535> Corey84 your phone number came up as LA area 01:05:15 <Corey84> award3535, I never got a DC local 01:05:21 <Corey84> never saw need to 01:05:27 <award3535> no worries 01:06:01 <Corey84> never planned to stay on east coast long enough to need one 01:06:17 <award3535> #chair ParadoxGuitarist 01:06:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: Cydrobolt ParadoxGuitarist award3535 wrnash 01:06:27 * ParadoxGuitarist waves hello. 01:06:33 <award3535> evening... 01:06:43 <award3535> saw you pop in 01:06:55 <ParadoxGuitarist> thanks 01:07:05 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist did you get my email 01:07:20 <ParadoxGuitarist> Nope 01:07:26 <ParadoxGuitarist> was it in reply to mine? 01:07:31 <award3535> yes 01:07:39 <Corey84> so its not jsut me not getting stuff ....good to know 01:08:10 <AndChat|266961> Jeff is driving his car 01:08:29 <wrnash> Texting and Driving 01:08:37 <award3535> Corey84 your not getting everything yet because you are not fully completed yet, you need to get ahold of me. 01:09:34 <award3535> and just saw your reply 01:09:47 <award3535> okay moving on 01:09:58 <award3535> #topic === Tickets === 01:10:17 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: I just read your email... I'll bring it up at open floor. 01:10:30 <award3535> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 01:10:59 <award3535> .famnaticket 105 01:11:01 <zodbot> award3535: #105 (Event Box and Banner Handling for events) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/105 01:11:24 <wrnash> Not sure what we can talk about on this one till the inventory is completed for all the boxes 01:11:39 <ParadoxGuitarist> Or now... 01:11:40 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist it would be fine to discuss here since the ticket references 01:11:44 <ParadoxGuitarist> =) 01:11:56 <Corey84> jsut curious how the situation come up tho ? 01:12:09 <ParadoxGuitarist> So... you email doesn't address what we consider inventory 01:12:11 <award3535> wrnash I agree, I have not heard from kk4ewt on the inventory yet 01:12:44 <award3535> there should be a list of what is to be in the box on wiki 01:13:31 <ParadoxGuitarist> So if we're not counting swag, mine is easy. I have two OLPCs. 01:14:00 <award3535> Corey84 there was some things that became frustrating due to banners cloths etc shipping from coast to coast 01:14:17 <Corey84> ah 01:14:21 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist, there is no laptop in the box? 01:14:26 <ParadoxGuitarist> Nope 01:14:33 <award3535> I think this came up awhile ago as well 01:15:07 <award3535> once we get all the data, we will propose a upgrade and purchase of new items for each box 01:15:08 <ParadoxGuitarist> We had one at one point, it was really old... didn't meet some of the standards and reeked of smoke. 01:15:14 <Corey84> award3535, why would there be? 01:15:28 <ParadoxGuitarist> We brought it up and decided to donate to a community member that needed one 01:16:12 <ParadoxGuitarist> "standards" was a loose term I think it had 1GB of ram. 01:16:48 <award3535> hmm, again I think we as a group need to upgrade them as well or replace them 01:17:03 * ParadoxGuitarist agrees. 01:17:11 <wrnash> Is there a budget for new laptop this year 01:17:23 <award3535> you figure I have been involved in the project since 2008 and have used the same laptop in the east coast box 01:17:48 <award3535> wrnash I will ask ruth if it is possible 01:17:59 <ParadoxGuitarist> Clint Savage suggested having a Fedora Activity day to update them all, but that will be probably a little overkill where budget is concerned. 01:18:47 <ParadoxGuitarist> Do we really need a new laptop? It seems like ambassadors always end up bringing their own laptops. 01:19:06 <award3535> well Fedora activity can be regionalized as well 01:19:07 <ParadoxGuitarist> Personally, I'd rather have a projector, or a large screen. 01:19:10 <Corey84> heck my daily is a dell d820 on 3 g 01:20:06 <wrnash> I agree with having a projector available 01:20:08 <ParadoxGuitarist> It just seems like there's hardly a shortage of laptops at the events (a whopping 3 of them) 01:20:10 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist I as well bring two of mine and agree a projector or large monitor for displays 01:21:06 <ParadoxGuitarist> I brought 3 last time at SCaLE, also if someone really needed one for an event I could probably loan them one. There is just other stuff I would rather spend the money on 01:21:13 <ParadoxGuitarist> Like more USB drives. 01:21:31 <Corey84> better for showing mirroring and external display work too id think 01:21:44 <award3535> USB keys are a hard sell for budget though 01:22:03 <ParadoxGuitarist> We don't dump them like all the unused DVDs though. 01:22:18 <ParadoxGuitarist> and we can put spins on them 01:22:30 <award3535> youre right but still a harder sell for budget 01:23:28 <Corey84> heck I could loan usbs to east coast events if needed have a ton 01:23:48 <award3535> So are we migrating away from the standard laptop in the box and moving to a form of media display 01:23:52 <Corey84> use 6 of them daily 01:24:22 <Corey84> when we all have at least one I think makes more sense 01:24:24 <award3535> corey84 you would have to get the Fedora logo on them that is what the standard is 01:24:43 <ParadoxGuitarist> I would rather give away USBs than Pens, pencils, stickers, and DVDs, (even if it means ordering 1/2 the amount for each release) 01:24:48 <Corey84> that through legal guys right? 01:25:04 <Corey84> with ParadoxGuitarist on that 01:25:12 <award3535> but you could give out personal preparded media 01:25:34 <Corey84> like a custom spin for a attendee? 01:25:47 <award3535> corey84 that is correct 01:25:56 <Corey84> say we demo a spin or whatever and send them home with a custom iso 01:26:01 <award3535> I do that all the time for someone who asks 01:26:17 * Corey84 does for new clients 01:26:18 <award3535> that is what we could use the projector for 01:26:26 <award3535> or the large monitor 01:26:54 <award3535> I made a presentation that shows a little of each 01:27:04 <Corey84> question is tho which would fit event space more often a projector or a say 40-60" monitor 01:27:30 <Corey84> wieght wise i'd lean to projector for shipping too 01:27:31 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: you mean now? Yeah, the custom disk but that's not being covered by our budget.... but I'm off topic with this. 01:28:09 <ParadoxGuitarist> Not just that but shipping a screen that large would be a challenge 01:28:11 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist, we can discuss in open floor 01:28:27 <ParadoxGuitarist> not to mention it won't fit in our current boxes. 01:28:32 <award3535> oh I agree, projector seems to be the right choice 01:28:33 <Corey84> +1 moving to open floor with that 01:28:42 <wrnash> +1 01:29:01 <Corey84> and +1 for projector/monitor over laptop 01:29:19 <ParadoxGuitarist> So we'll need a table cloth, banner, and projector for each box. 01:29:22 <wrnash> Projector 01:29:54 <ParadoxGuitarist> Plus extension cable/power strip. 01:29:56 <Corey84> seems a bit easier to sell for budget too to me at least 01:29:58 <wrnash> and a surge protector 01:30:08 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist that is exactly what we are moving towards, for each box 01:30:31 <award3535> all of those items should already be on the inventory list on the wiki page 01:30:35 <ParadoxGuitarist> That seems a lot more useful than what we've had ther ein the past. 01:30:41 <Corey84> don't most events furnish surge protects tho ? 01:31:12 <award3535> no always, there have been two events I did that I am sure glad they were in the box 01:31:22 <ParadoxGuitarist> I don't think we need the router or eth cables. 01:31:23 <Corey84> fair enough 01:31:29 <ParadoxGuitarist> mine are gone anyways. 01:31:55 <Corey84> for a closed networking demo could see use case 01:32:09 <Corey84> NFS / ssh / etc on a demo 01:32:10 <award3535> Most events have supplied WiFi 01:32:17 <ParadoxGuitarist> Yep 01:32:49 <ParadoxGuitarist> Corey84: If we want to do that kind of demo, I'm guessing the person setting up would be able to supply that. 01:33:21 <Corey84> agreed, but what's to say a attendee has a "pop up" request 01:33:23 <ParadoxGuitarist> I will say, that if we were to have a computer, a rasberry pi would be an excellent alternative to a laptop. 01:33:34 <Corey84> ^^ +! 01:33:40 <Corey84> much cheaper too 01:33:50 <Corey84> and way to showcase the arm spins 01:33:57 <award3535> Lets get the inventories done and then I think we will propose getting new cloth, banner, and possibly projector 01:34:01 <ParadoxGuitarist> I bet someone at RH might even have a few laying around that we just might be able to get. 01:34:23 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: Where do you need the inventory listed? 01:34:25 <award3535> pi requires monitor you would need one that could be protected with shipments 01:34:30 <Corey84> plarson and I are in a lug that has a few floating around can ask 01:34:46 <award3535> You can email it to me or kk4ewt 01:34:53 <Corey84> the pis that is not monitors 01:35:50 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: Do you want sticker/pen/pencil/tshirt inventory? 01:35:55 <award3535> Corey 84 with a pi you would need a way to see the display unless you would utilize a projector 01:35:56 <ParadoxGuitarist> No one got back to me on that. 01:36:22 <Corey84> award3535, the pi2 and b+ can do hdmi to a projector iirc 01:36:23 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist just the hard items in the event box 01:36:49 <ParadoxGuitarist> It's just the XO OLPC. 01:36:55 <ParadoxGuitarist> which I emailed out already. 01:37:21 <ParadoxGuitarist> hey jsandys 01:37:24 <award3535> corey84 my point exactly, we do not have anything in the boxes yet that would support it 01:37:45 <Corey84> fair enough 01:38:04 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535 is just saying don't put the cart before the horse. 01:38:08 <ParadoxGuitarist> =) 01:38:17 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist there is no power strips or ext cord either 01:38:21 <ParadoxGuitarist> Nope 01:38:48 <award3535> ok, I will see if we can get them replaced 01:38:50 <Corey84> working on a new laptop designed ground up to be all-in-one trully cross platform ---kinda habit atm sorry 01:39:27 <award3535> Ok lets move to open floor 01:39:39 <award3535> #topic == Open Floor === 01:40:05 <ParadoxGuitarist> Is fedora magazine back up yet? 01:40:15 <Corey84> was the other day 01:40:18 <wrnash> Yes it up 01:40:19 <Corey84> like tuesday 01:40:23 <wrnash> i'm on it now 01:40:26 <ParadoxGuitarist> Cool 01:40:39 <ParadoxGuitarist> Been too busy this week... documenation week at work 01:40:50 <ParadoxGuitarist> I wanted to submit my report from LFNW 01:41:17 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'll try to get that out this weekend. 01:41:20 <Corey84> always fun 01:42:11 <ParadoxGuitarist> USB drives? 01:42:31 <award3535> go on 01:43:03 <Corey84> is there a master multi dvd iso image again yet ? like old days 01:43:05 <ParadoxGuitarist> Manufactures are more and more often choosing not to put in CD/DVD drives into their machines. 01:43:09 <Corey84> officially that is 01:43:13 <ParadoxGuitarist> Corey84: It won't fit. 01:43:29 <Corey84> on a usb ? 01:43:47 <ParadoxGuitarist> Maybe, but not on DVDs so they didn't make one last release 01:43:56 <Corey84> ah 01:44:04 <award3535> you would have to use a 16gb for all of them 01:44:14 <award3535> that includes spins 01:44:19 <ParadoxGuitarist> Maybe. 01:44:24 <ParadoxGuitarist> We could do 8 01:44:25 <award3535> that is where the cost lies 01:44:29 <Corey84> was thinking maybe have one in /development or /extras maybe for those that image large volume pcs 01:44:40 <ParadoxGuitarist> since they're writeable we could actually have an assorment. 01:45:03 <Corey84> I usually use 8-32g ones personally forgot that fact 01:45:24 <ParadoxGuitarist> Also it might fit on an 8 GB if it's not multi-arch. 01:45:36 <wrnash> How many people use the usb drives to install Fedora? 01:46:04 <wrnash> I think that most people grab the usb drives and use it for other stuff. 01:46:07 <jsandys> I used a usb drive to install 01:46:35 <Corey84> i do 01:46:48 <award3535> my experience with events is that most people that show up to the booth are using older machines and would perfer DVDs 01:46:52 <Corey84> netinstalls and customs (customs can be ~3.5-4g) 01:47:53 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: True, but at some point DVDs are going to be phased out as an actual install option. 01:48:13 <Corey84> if officcially branded there is hope the sight by other will garner interest no? 01:48:29 <jsandys> Agree 01:48:36 <Corey84> heck macs need a super drive now unless using pre 2010 ones 01:48:44 <award3535> and here is the cost 8GB drive 5.99, logo and color construction would cost about 10 a stick, where as DVD is about 1 sixth of the cost 01:48:54 <jsandys> Why I use my fedora pen 01:48:55 <ParadoxGuitarist> True. 01:49:25 <Corey84> that can be pricey then didnt realize so high per usb 01:49:51 <ParadoxGuitarist> actually 01:49:59 <Corey84> who / hwo would i go about having one or two of mine logo'd or getting ones that were? 01:50:01 <jsandys> Who did you get pricing from 01:50:05 <ParadoxGuitarist> $4 if we get 2,500 01:50:28 <Corey84> for the usb or the logo'ing ParadoxGuitarist 01:50:28 <award3535> I agree with the DVD media going away 01:50:41 <ParadoxGuitarist> Both Corey84 01:51:14 <Corey84> for smaller events that is hard to sell for budget indeed 01:51:15 <award3535> I was just using round figures a 4gb is about 3.50 in bulk 01:51:47 <award3535> the drives I have (very few left) are only 2Gb 01:51:51 <ParadoxGuitarist> How much do we spend on a run of DVDs award3535? 01:52:06 <ParadoxGuitarist> http://www.discountmugs.com/product/usb0018gb-8gb-swivel-promotional-usb-flash-drives/?quantity=12&color=bulk&mm_campaign=5240BD079F071097F942AE10B4D031E2&mm_keyword=91052817501&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=91052817501&utm_content=63810376821&utm_campaign=(PLA)+Shopping+Categories+Promotional&gclid=CNTY2Pad1MUCFZSCfgodbyQAcg&kwid=productads-plaid^91052817501-sku^USB0018GB@ADL4Bulk@ADL412-adType^PLA-devic 01:52:08 <ParadoxGuitarist> e^c-adid^63810376821 01:52:15 <Corey84> well gonna have to bug out early bus home is arriving and no wifi on THIS bus trip ....night all 01:52:31 <wrnash> night corey84 01:54:09 <jsandys> With usbs, you wouldn't pile them on the table like dvds, but handing them out is more personal. 01:54:24 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist I do not have the final amount because we also share some of that with other ambassador communities 01:54:32 <ParadoxGuitarist> Hmmm 01:54:39 <ParadoxGuitarist> Guestimate? 01:55:10 <award3535> The link you posted shows them just over 11 each for 8GB sticks 01:55:50 <award3535> but the more you buy it goes down to 3.68 01:56:01 <ParadoxGuitarist> Right 01:56:28 <ParadoxGuitarist> we would probably do a run of at least 2,500 01:56:30 <jsandys> I fit a spin with and extra partition on 2gb 01:57:02 <award3535> we spent 5K for F21 01:57:45 <jsandys> Would imaging be included in the cost? 01:57:51 <ParadoxGuitarist> So about double that for 2,500 01:58:10 <award3535> your looking at 9.2K for 2500 where as the 5K we spent is for 3K media pieces 01:58:49 <ParadoxGuitarist> Right, but these could easily last for two releases 01:59:45 <ParadoxGuitarist> I have at least 500 F19 disks to make that point. 02:00:17 <award3535> the 2gb goes to 3.31 per stick 02:00:32 <ParadoxGuitarist> This is also just one site 02:00:52 <ParadoxGuitarist> There might be others with better pricing. 02:00:57 * ParadoxGuitarist shrugs 02:01:22 <ParadoxGuitarist> 3.38 for 4 gb 02:01:43 <award3535> the ubuntu guys had a very small one that did not have a flip cover, we can check on this and propose it up 02:01:53 <award3535> the worst they could say is no 02:02:02 <jsandys> Another meeting calls, bye. 02:02:33 <wrnash> I need to drop Having some DNS issues at work. 02:02:34 <award3535> thank you for attending jsandys 02:02:43 <ParadoxGuitarist> At the least I think we'd be spending about the same amount of money, and it's something people will keep a lot longer than they would a DVD 02:03:41 <award3535> I propose we do some research on this and come up with some proposals. I agree that the more personal approach will get more business. 02:04:34 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: I know there's oversight for how we spend our budget, but who, other than us, has to approve it? 02:04:51 <ParadoxGuitarist> As long as we're staying within budget? 02:05:52 <award3535> we can approve it, but it still has to go through those who hold credit cards, and sometimes there is a hard pitch to spend the money 02:06:10 <ParadoxGuitarist> I mean if we have 15k a year (or whatever) to spend on swag/media who cares since it fits that profile? 02:06:22 <ParadoxGuitarist> As long as we stay in budget. 02:06:38 <award3535> I think we should research and make a proposal, I will create a ticket 02:07:06 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm down, I just didn't know if there was a sub-process I didn't know about 02:07:32 <ParadoxGuitarist> Let me know if you need help with any of that 02:07:39 <award3535> As for the DVD media, I think we could produce a minimal amount for events and those who request it 02:08:00 <ParadoxGuitarist> Yeah 02:08:14 <ParadoxGuitarist> If for whatever reason a DVD drive wouldn't work. 02:08:20 <ParadoxGuitarist> *USB 02:08:28 <award3535> Please do some research and I will email you what I find, and please email me what you find. 02:08:41 <ParadoxGuitarist> Sounds like a plan. 02:08:57 <award3535> Ok we are out of time... until next week 02:09:00 <award3535> #endmeeting