06:00:42 <paragan> #startmeeting i18n
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06:00:47 <paragan> #meetingname i18n
06:00:47 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
06:00:49 <anish_> Hi
06:00:53 <ueno> hi
06:00:53 <paragan> #topic agenda and roll call
06:01:13 <epico> hi
06:01:51 <paragan> anish_ ueno epico Hi
06:02:06 <paragan> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2014-11-26
06:02:44 <mfabian> Hi!
06:02:56 <paragan> mfabian, hi
06:03:40 <paragan> okay lets start the meeting
06:03:49 <paragan> above is the agenda for today's meeting
06:03:56 <paragan> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:04:15 <fujiwarat> hi
06:04:27 <paragan> we are in Fedora 21 final freeze
06:04:34 <paragan> #info 2014-12-09 	Fedora 21 Final Release
06:04:36 <paragan> fujiwarat, hi
06:04:57 <paragan> Anyone tested Fedora 21 TC4?
06:06:23 <paragan> I saw it missed some updates to be pulled so I think we can expect TC5 soon
06:06:48 <anish_> paragan, I did test TC4
06:07:43 <paragan> I saw we still have fedora-release subpackages conflicting with each other in TC4
06:07:59 <paragan> I reported https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1167719
06:08:02 <anish_> aha
06:08:25 <tagoh_> hi
06:08:40 <paragan> and to fix this in dnf sgallagh has submitted RFE https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1167881
06:08:41 <paragan> tagoh_, hi
06:09:33 <juhp> hi
06:09:46 <paragan> juhp, hi
06:10:01 <paragan> so currently we have this dashboard for Fedora 21 -> https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/21/final/buglist
06:10:46 <paragan> I see no i18n related bug there so we are good in fedora 21 :)
06:12:02 <paragan> #topic Outstanding topics
06:12:12 <paragan> #info #34: need Fedora i18n Mission Statement (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:12:32 <paragan> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/34
06:13:37 <paragan> so are we settle on some statement or we need some more time to decide?
06:14:19 <paragan> I think in last meeting we decided to choose "Fedora i18n makes technology accessible and attractive for users of every language."
06:14:48 <tagoh_> apparently no objections on the list. so we can go ahead with it
06:16:24 <paragan> good. let's close this ticket later with above statement as final statement.
06:17:03 <paragan> #info #36: gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages
06:17:08 <paragan> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36
06:17:46 <paragan> any progress on this?
06:18:30 <mfabian> I answered Allan’s mail, he wanted to know what we want to talk about.
06:18:44 <mfabian> Any other ideas what we would like to see in the redesign?
06:19:50 <anish_> may be improvements in IME switching
06:20:36 <anish_> no xkb layouts
06:20:47 <mfabian> no xkb layouts?
06:21:31 <anish_> can we completely remove Xkb layouts at least for Indian languages
06:21:55 <anish_> I don't know why its necessary
06:22:58 <mfabian> Blacklisting some stuff is always a bit dangerous, one may blacklist stuff people really need. The Indian XKB layouts are probably really not necessary though, because they do not work perfectly.
06:24:13 <anish_> hmm but anyway if it does not work and we have working solutions why to use that
06:24:58 <anish_> it creates  confusions
06:25:07 <mfabian> I am just afraid if we start blacklisting again, that there is the danger of blacklisting too much.
06:25:46 <mfabian> So we really should blacklist the Indian XKB keyboards only and nothing else until we have a good reason to blacklist something else.
06:27:30 <anish_> i will send an email to fedora-i18n if anyone has any objections
06:27:35 <paragan> can we also have some comments on ticket?
06:27:38 <anish_> or fedora-devel
06:28:14 <tagoh_> or gnome upstream maybe better?
06:28:21 <anish_> okay
06:29:27 <mfabian> We have an IRC meeting with Rui and Allan Day about this tomorrow.
06:29:36 <paragan> aha
06:29:39 <anish_> from past experiences, you need reach out wider audiences if you want to remove something
06:30:12 <paragan> right
06:30:46 <mfabian> Can you see the meeting in Zimbra? Did I add it correctly?
06:31:58 <paragan> okay lets move to next topic
06:32:06 <paragan> #topic Outstanding task
06:32:16 <paragan> #info #35: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N cleanup (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:32:16 <paragan> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/35
06:32:24 <mfabian> Meeting is tomorrow at 8:00 UTC in #fedora-i18n IRC channel
06:33:43 <paragan> I see pravins and juhp is working on this ticket
06:34:19 <paragan> they have gathered page links to be cleaned/updated
06:34:21 <paragan> http://piratepad.net/i18nchanges
06:35:38 <paragan> So this task is still in progress
06:37:05 <paragan> #topic New topic
06:37:14 <paragan> #info #39: Bugs corner (pravins)
06:37:14 <paragan> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/39
06:39:14 <paragan> anyone got any bug to discuss here?
06:41:21 <paragan> we have 20 bugs currently reported against fedora 21
06:42:27 <paragan> and we have more bug count against fedora 19 and 20
06:42:57 <paragan> we need to triage those bugs and see if they are either already fixed or still present in fedora 21
06:45:56 <tagoh_> right. we need to go through bugs and review them.
06:46:48 <paragan> #topic Open Floor
06:47:53 <paragan> anyone got any other thing to discuss?
06:49:55 <paragan> lets close the meeting in couple of minutes if there is nothing to discuss.
06:52:41 <paragan> Thanks everyone for attending this meeting.
06:52:46 <paragan> #endmeeting