04:00:29 <tuanta> #startmeeting
04:00:29 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Sep 13 04:00:29 2014 UTC.  The chair is tuanta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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04:00:42 <botreynisa> Hi tuanta!
04:00:47 <tuanta> #meetingname APAC-2014_09_13
04:00:47 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'apac-2014_09_13'
04:00:56 <tuanta> #topic Roll call
04:01:01 <tuanta> hi botreynisa
04:01:05 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
04:01:07 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
04:01:18 <banas> .fasinfo sarupbanskota
04:01:20 <zodbot> banas: User: sarupbanskota, Name: Sarup Banskota, email: sbanskota08@gmail.com, Creation: 2013-03-28, IRC Nick: banas, Timezone: Asia/Kolkata, Locale: en, GPG key ID: , Status: active
04:01:20 <tuanta> #chair botreynisa banas
04:01:20 <zodbot> Current chairs: banas botreynisa tuanta
04:01:22 <zodbot> banas: Unapproved Groups: summer-coding
04:01:25 <zodbot> banas: Approved Groups: ambassadors designteam cla_done cla_fpca
04:01:47 <mpduty> .fas mohanprakash
04:01:50 <zodbot> mpduty: mohanprakash 'Mohan Prakash' <mpduty@gmail.com>
04:01:58 <amita> .fas amsharma
04:01:59 <zodbot> amita: shubhamsharma 'shubham kumar sharma' <kernel.shubham@gmail.com> - amsharma 'Amita Sharma' <amsharma@redhat.com>
04:03:24 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
04:03:27 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
04:03:35 <tuanta> #info Topic: FAD APAC
04:04:02 <tuanta> #info Topic: Media producing in APAC
04:04:23 <tuanta> #info Topic: Polo Shirts for APAC Ambassadors
04:04:26 <tuanta> anything else?
04:04:50 <tuanta> ok, lets start
04:05:01 <botreynisa> .fas botreynisa
04:05:02 <zodbot> botreynisa: botreynisa 'Nisa Ban' <bandnisa@gmail.com>
04:05:05 <banas> if there's the time for it, the trac cleanup
04:05:09 <tuanta> #topic FAD APAC 2014
04:05:20 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014
04:06:05 <tuanta> have you registered? any concerns or questions?
04:06:29 <pravins> hi tuanta
04:06:56 <tuanta> I have just adjusted budget to have more chances for people to come: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014#Event_Budget
04:07:16 <tuanta> especially, who can contribute much to the event goals
04:07:18 <tuanta> hi pravins
04:07:49 <mpduty> still I understand that it is better if active ambassadors participate
04:07:50 <botreynisa> Good
04:08:01 <tuanta> yes, mpduty
04:08:25 <mpduty> tuanta: there may be some future chance to meet you people and learn something :)
04:08:25 <tuanta> I prefer ones who participated in budget planning last two years (remotely)
04:08:34 <tuanta> but newbies would be welcome
04:08:38 <tuanta> either
04:08:48 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
04:08:49 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
04:08:53 <tuanta> mpduty, I hope that too :)
04:09:25 <niteshnarayanlal> .fas niteshnarayanlal
04:09:25 <zodbot> niteshnarayanlal: niteshnarayanlal 'nitesh narayan lal' <niteshnarayanlal@hotmail.com> - niteshnarayan 'nitesh narayan lal' <niteshnarayanlalleo@gmail.com>
04:09:33 <niteshnarayanlal> .fas niteshnarayan
04:09:34 <zodbot> niteshnarayanlal: niteshnarayanlal 'nitesh narayan lal' <niteshnarayanlal@hotmail.com> - niteshnarayan 'nitesh narayan lal' <niteshnarayanlalleo@gmail.com>
04:09:39 <tuanta> now we have several fund requests
04:10:08 <tuanta> and the most urgent, IMHO, is for gnokii
04:10:11 * niteshnarayanlal really need to talk to ralph to get the other account removed
04:10:53 <mpduty> is there any provision that non ambassadors may send down some suggestions, in the mailing list perhaps?
04:10:57 <tuanta> since flight ticket price from EMEA to APAC is increased day to day
04:11:08 <tuanta> yes, mpduty
04:11:59 <banas> mpduty: some of us will participate remotely :)
04:12:18 <tuanta> you know, gnokii contributed much for this first APAC FAD and he will do more as he participated in previous similar EMEA FAD
04:12:27 <tuanta> +1 banas
04:12:52 * mpduty wonders if non ambassadors can participate remotely to learn
04:12:59 <tuanta> this is the first time we do it in APAC, while EMEA did it for two years
04:13:09 <tuanta> you are welcome, mpduty
04:13:10 <banas> mpduty: of course!
04:13:33 <tuanta> we will have two rounds of fund approval
04:13:55 <mpduty> tuanta, banas: thanks
04:13:59 <tuanta> the first round is for most urgent ones
04:14:09 <banas> tuanta: +1 about gnokii. we should go over his ticket sooner.
04:14:10 <tuanta> and the second is for all others
04:14:27 <botreynisa> +1 banas
04:15:00 <tuanta> would you like to look at it now?
04:15:17 <tuanta> #topic Ticket #145
04:15:18 <tuanta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/145
04:15:19 <banas> yeah, why not, lets go over it now
04:15:33 <tuanta> gnokii, are you here today?
04:15:43 <gnokii> yes
04:16:00 <tuanta> you asked a range: $730-890
04:16:18 <tuanta> I know the price is changed daily
04:16:41 <tuanta> can you check how much it is today?
04:17:18 * banas notices gnokii asked for the ticket to be booked
04:17:42 <gnokii> tuanta: I can check but that takes a while, as I have to check PRG, FRA,MUC and DUS
04:17:46 <tuanta> banas, it means he need someone to buy the ticket for him?
04:18:05 <banas> I'd guess so tuanta. is that what you meant gnokii?
04:18:15 <gnokii> of course
04:18:39 <banas> in which case, we will have to ask izhar.
04:18:42 <tuanta> ah, I understood
04:18:51 <tuanta> but first, please review it and vote
04:19:06 <tuanta> if you have any questions, or concerns please talk out
04:19:25 <tuanta> #chair gnokii niteshnarayanlal
04:19:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: banas botreynisa gnokii niteshnarayanlal tuanta
04:19:42 <tuanta> any questions?
04:19:43 * pravins will be attending FUEL GILT conference on 14-15 November http://fuelproject.org/gilt2014/index
04:19:55 <tuanta> pravins, cool
04:20:21 <banas> gnokii: the smallworld workshops are on inkscape?
04:20:34 <gnokii> mainly yes
04:21:03 <banas> cool, this ticket looks good to me. only concern being what amount to approve
04:23:11 <niteshnarayanlal> gnokii, you checked today's rate for your flight ?
04:23:20 <niteshnarayanlal> is it the same?
04:23:33 <gnokii> niteshnarayanlal: that takes time, from PRG its right now 827$
04:24:28 <tuanta> it is in range, I see
04:25:09 <tuanta> we can vote for it and when purchasing, we can go with other if it is cheaper
04:25:20 <gnokii> from MUC is 900$ rom FRA 813$
04:25:44 <banas> gnokii: which is the convenient one for you? PRG?
04:26:01 <gnokii> PRG if I start from home
04:26:27 <banas> and you aren't sure if you'll start from home at that time?
04:26:57 <gnokii> yeah but that is my problem anyway ;)
04:27:10 <tuanta> #info It costs $827 from PRG to Phnom Penh today
04:27:19 <banas> cool. then I propose we refer to the tickets from PRG
04:27:33 <gnokii> prg has only one problem
04:28:26 <amita> and what is that gnokii ?
04:28:51 <gnokii> that you have to check that its not via Beijing
04:29:59 <banas> lol, the route that you looked at the price for; is that from beijing?
04:30:14 <banas> s/from/via
04:30:23 <gnokii> nope its just PRG-AMS-CAN-PNH
04:30:32 <amita> via Beijing , it will be costly
04:30:53 <banas> cool - so the person booking the ticket will have to remember that.
04:31:07 <gnokii> nope it will be not costly, it will be cheaper but I dont want do be enforced to get a transit visa for china
04:31:42 <banas> alright, gnokii, could you leave a comment on the ticket
04:31:43 <tuanta> gnokii, it makes sense
04:31:48 <tuanta> voting time now?
04:31:57 <banas> about the route not being from beijing?
04:32:12 <banas> then it's easier for izhar to remember :)
04:32:35 <banas> +1 for me, for PRG -> * -> PNH
04:32:53 <tuanta> I have no problem with it too
04:33:00 <niteshnarayanlal> +1
04:33:24 <tuanta> it would be great to get someone from EMEA who participated in EMEA FAD before
04:33:30 <tuanta> +1 from me too
04:33:38 <botreynisa> +1
04:33:42 <mpduty> +1
04:33:57 <tuanta> ping botreynisa pravins mpduty amita
04:34:04 <amita> +1
04:34:20 <amita> pong tuanta
04:34:20 <mpduty> I have already voted +1
04:34:37 <amita> even botreynisa did
04:34:40 <pravins> +1 +1
04:34:47 <tuanta> lets see. we had +1:7/0:0/-1:0
04:34:56 <amita> what about two +1 pravins :)
04:34:56 <tuanta> sorry, I am typing slowly :)
04:35:04 <botreynisa> pong tuanta
04:35:30 <pravins> +1 for discussion and +1 after going through  https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/145 ;)
04:35:30 <amita> tuanta, that is fine :)
04:35:37 <amita> pravins, lol
04:35:42 <tuanta> #agree Approved ticket support #145 for gnokii to FAD APAC 2014
04:36:02 <amita> cool
04:36:11 <tuanta> #action gnokii to contact to izhar to buy the flight ticket
04:36:32 <tuanta> #info tuanta will support gnokii to do this
04:36:39 <tuanta> thanks all
04:36:54 <tuanta> anything else about FAD?
04:37:06 <banas> for budget sake, should we set the approval amount to 830USD?
04:37:14 <amita> #action gnokii to add info about flight route in trac ticket
04:37:47 <amita> I am not sure if non-chair can add action though :)
04:38:00 <tuanta> yes, banas. it we got luck, we can find even cheaper flight at the purchasing time ;)
04:38:15 <tuanta> #topic Polo Shirts for APAC Ambassadors
04:38:22 <banas> yep, hopefully ;)
04:38:29 <banas> #chairs
04:38:48 <banas> #chair amita
04:38:48 <zodbot> Current chairs: amita banas botreynisa gnokii niteshnarayanlal tuanta
04:38:58 <tuanta> #info Somvannda is working with manufacturers for quotation
04:39:13 <gnokii> tuanta: quote is already there
04:39:25 <amita> thanks banas
04:39:38 <tuanta> yes, gnokii. But I asked him to check more
04:40:04 <botreynisa> #info Somvannda said sorry for not joining this meeting he has a busy day at Barcamp Phnom Penh today and tomorrow
04:40:22 <banas> in which case, I think it's more likely the first batch of tshirts will show up at FAD PP
04:40:28 <tuanta> #info it costs $8/piece with 10-20 ones
04:40:48 <tuanta> but for the sample one (first one) it costs $20, they said that
04:41:03 <tuanta> then I asked Somvannda to check if they can down to $10 or something
04:41:18 <banas> wow, 20$ for a piece >> 8$
04:41:40 <tuanta> yes, it is not reasonable enough. they even make that sample one for free ;0
04:41:41 <gnokii> banas: you didnt understand
04:42:25 <banas> gnokii: I understand it's for the sample, just saying it seems more expensive than I imagined!
04:43:11 <amita> It is way too cheaper in India
04:43:12 <tuanta> the meaning is clear, I think, but it is not easy to understand. I can not understand why they quoted that
04:44:04 <banas> yeah, anyway, let's wait and see if somvannda find a better quote
04:44:42 <tuanta> but SFD is coming closer while I would like to see it to evaluate easier
04:44:56 <MarkDude> +1
04:45:10 <tuanta> if it is fine enough, we can produce for all and distribute from FAD
04:45:13 <niteshnarayanlal> tuanta, I am wondering if we could get it printed at some other place and then send them to FAD location
04:45:30 <tuanta> niteshnarayanlal, it is ok too
04:45:33 <MarkDude> Shirts can be a hassle- your wanting to make sure is mart IMHO :)
04:45:35 <gnokii> niteshnarayanlal: they are not printed
04:45:39 <niteshnarayanlal> but yes this is an option we should think until unless
04:45:50 <tuanta> just need some persons to get involved and check it at their cities
04:46:01 <niteshnarayanlal> Somvannda didn't find a better quote
04:46:21 <tuanta> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Polo_Shirt
04:46:42 <pravins> thanks tuanta i was about to ask for ticket number :)
04:47:16 <banas> pravins, that's the wiki link.
04:47:19 <banas> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/65
04:47:21 <tuanta> #65
04:47:22 <tuanta> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/65
04:47:28 <tuanta> thanks banas
04:47:32 <banas> np
04:48:03 <tuanta> it is stitched, niteshnarayanlal
04:48:06 <tuanta> not printed
04:48:13 <tuanta> so it is more complicated
04:48:38 <niteshnarayanlal> tuanta, I understand obviously first it needs to be stitched
04:48:53 <amita> logo must be printed ?
04:49:05 <pravins> banas: thanks :)
04:49:10 <tuanta> it is for all APAC Ambassadors to wear at all events, not only FAD
04:49:20 <tuanta> amita, no, all stitched
04:49:46 <niteshnarayanlal> amita, that is the reason why they have higher cost there
04:49:53 <amita> so it is embroidery
04:49:53 <banas> amita: embroidered
04:49:54 * banas will brb
04:49:59 <tuanta> botreynisa, can you talk to somvannda that he should check the quotation for that first sample shirt?
04:50:12 <amita> so I can ask in India if you want
04:50:22 <tuanta> nice, amita
04:50:24 <amita> because in India embroidery is cheaper
04:50:43 <botreynisa> tuanta: I leave him a message already
04:50:43 <tuanta> actually, it is not all about price, it is about quality
04:50:50 <tuanta> since we will use it for a long time
04:50:52 <botreynisa> +1
04:50:56 <gnokii> !
04:50:58 <amita> pravins, do you remember from where we got it done in fudcon pune?
04:51:02 <tuanta> please gnokii
04:51:21 <pravins> amita: no :(
04:51:38 <amita> ok np pravins we can find out ;)
04:51:52 <gnokii> the 7$ are fine I dont think it will become much cheaper in India, I would stop now and move on not try to save maybe a 100$ but getting never this topic finished!
04:51:54 <gnokii> eof
04:52:01 <niteshnarayanlal> amita, you could ask ankur or Kushal
04:52:21 <amita> Rahul will be best person to ask
04:52:22 * hanthana came late
04:52:34 <tuanta> gnokii, I think, just in case the quality in PP is not fine enough
04:52:39 <pravins> Cost must be not only criteria, As tuanta said one has to wear it in all conference quality also matters lot
04:52:49 <banas> yeh, gnokii's right. besides there will the problem of distributing it.
04:52:57 <amita> gnokii, I agree with you
04:53:10 <amita> $7 should be a good prize, if quality is good
04:53:17 <tuanta> ok, we need to wait for somvannda
04:53:20 <amita> in India too it should be same
04:53:28 <botreynisa> +1, pravins
04:53:52 <tuanta> #action botreynisa to talk to somvannda to ask for the price for the first sample Polo Shirt
04:54:13 <tuanta> hope they will not discuss this good sale :)
04:54:26 <tuanta> ok, lets move on?
04:54:38 <botreynisa> we won't
04:54:44 <amita> #action amita to find out vendor in India and confirm prize, just for future if required
04:54:51 <tuanta> s/discuss/dismiss
04:55:10 <amita> tuanta, :)
04:55:20 <tuanta> botreynisa, you may be better in bargain :)
04:55:32 <pravins> amita: i will help you in this, i have one vendor number. He comes up with samples as well
04:55:35 <hanthana> guys, this is for how may tshirts?
04:55:36 <tuanta> in Vietnam, all women are better then men in that :)
04:55:41 <amita> tuanta, +1 girls always ;)
04:55:53 <botreynisa> :) I will try
04:55:54 <amita> tuanta, it is universal
04:56:03 <tuanta> #topic Open Floor
04:56:03 <amita> botreynisa, good luck
04:56:04 <pravins> tuanta: agree with you :)
04:56:10 <hanthana> tuanta, ping
04:56:15 <pravins> tuanta: i have one query
04:56:32 <tuanta> in fact, I would like to discuss a more strategic way to produce and distribute media in APAC
04:56:40 <amita> pravins, thanks for help, I appreciate
04:56:51 <pravins> amita: welcome :)
04:56:59 <tuanta> since it is a long time topic, it is better start start it in a open discussion topic
04:57:02 <hanthana> !
04:57:07 <pravins> I have not seen Fedora release party in India from long time. At least for F20
04:57:11 <tuanta> so that's why "Open Floor"
04:57:18 <amita> pravins, +1
04:57:19 <tuanta> go ahead, hanthana
04:57:27 <pravins> I would like to organize one for F21 in India
04:57:33 <hanthana> how many tshirts you guys going to print?
04:57:44 <pravins> what kind of help i can get in doing this?
04:57:49 <tuanta> hanthana, about 100, I think
04:58:02 <hanthana> and is it printed or embroider?
04:58:02 <tuanta> each per APAC  ambassador
04:58:13 <tuanta> hanthana, embroider
04:58:13 <amita> hanthana, embroider
04:58:14 <gnokii> tuanta: should be 150 there are 131 ambassadors in APAC ;)
04:58:17 <hanthana> ok cool
04:58:29 <tuanta> hanthana, please go back to the ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/65
04:58:42 <amita> tuanta, !
04:58:46 <tuanta> now we should next to another topic
04:59:05 <tuanta> time is close
04:59:05 <tuanta> 2 minutes left :)
04:59:17 <niteshnarayanlal> I will be taking off now.
04:59:17 <amita> tuanta, when we will discuss rest of the tickets
04:59:21 <niteshnarayanlal> Thanks everyone
04:59:22 <amita> for funding
04:59:40 <banas> I just wanted to request - everyone please have a look at any unclosed tickets if they concern you.
04:59:53 <banas> if it's resolved, please close it.
04:59:57 <tuanta> I and gnokii discussed about a more strategic way to produce and distribute media and swag in APAC
05:00:08 <tuanta> we have not enough time today
05:00:21 <tuanta> so I will create a ticket and send it over the mailing list
05:00:29 <tuanta> hope to have all of you involved to discuss
05:00:35 <hanthana> i think its better to produce 10% more
05:00:42 <gnokii> tuanta: that we will discuss on FAD and I will show you the world in 2015 when ACFTA pact is on ;)
05:00:45 <tuanta> it is also important for us to do good ambassador jobs
05:00:57 <hanthana> current_number of ambassadors+ 10%
05:01:24 <hanthana> where we can have extra amount for new ambassadors
05:01:24 <tuanta> hanthana, you should put your idea to the ticket for recording
05:01:32 <hanthana> okey
05:02:16 <tuanta> botreynisa, that is a good business opportunity so the manufacture which somvannda contacted to should change their mind :)
05:02:30 <tuanta> it is over now
05:02:34 <tuanta> anything else today?
05:02:42 <botreynisa> I hope so :)
05:03:07 <banas> I think we can close meeting :)
05:03:18 <tuanta> #endmeeting