20:00:02 <sesivany> #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors 2014-04-02
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20:00:04 <sesivany> #meetingname emea ambassadors
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20:00:08 <sesivany> #topic Roll Call
20:00:13 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
20:00:13 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
20:01:25 <thunderbirdtr> .fas thunderbirdtr
20:01:27 <zodbot> thunderbirdtr: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' <thunderbirdtr@gmail.com>
20:01:34 <zoltanh7211> .fas zoltanh7211
20:01:34 <zodbot> zoltanh7211: zoltanh721 'Hoppár Zoltán' <hopparz@gmail.com>
20:01:50 <thunderbirdtr> zoltanh7211, good night pal
20:02:05 <zoltanh7211> thunderbirdtr: heya
20:02:16 <sesivany> ok, let's wait a few more minutes for others.
20:02:34 <sesivany> I hope not many people are confused by the time change.
20:02:39 <thunderbirdtr> I hope date and "tomorrow" gonna not problem
20:02:44 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, +1 :)
20:02:46 <zoltanh7211> let's time warp ;)
20:04:22 <sesivany> just three people tonight? :)
20:04:28 <zoltanh7211> cool
20:04:31 <zoltanh7211> :D
20:04:34 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, because date !! :D
20:04:54 <blackbird> pacsi zoltanh7211 :)
20:05:00 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, should we make call in "ambassadors" channel for it ?
20:05:57 <sesivany> thunderbirdtr: well, you can give it a try, but if people didn't plan to attend I don't think they will likely jump in now.
20:06:03 <sesivany> ok, let's start.
20:06:10 <sesivany> #topic Announcements
20:06:21 <sesivany> any general announcements?
20:07:38 <sesivany> I don't know if you touched it last time, but we have a release date for F21.
20:07:43 <sesivany> Oct 14th
20:08:10 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, I was following that..
20:08:14 <sesivany> #info Fedora 21 is planned to be released on Oct 14th.
20:08:21 <zoltanh7211> nice
20:09:17 <sesivany> btw end of CfP of Flock 2014 will be tomorrow.
20:09:36 <edgates> .fas edgates
20:09:37 <zodbot> edgates: edgates 'Elijah Hanson' <pkwesihanson@yahoo.com>
20:10:11 <sesivany> #info The end of call for papers for Flock 2014 is tomorrow: https://register.flocktofedora.org/submit_proposal
20:10:27 <sesivany> you can also pre-register if you're planning to come.
20:10:47 <kmf> .fas kmf
20:10:48 <zodbot> kmf: kmf 'Karl Fischer' <kmf@fischer.org.za> - kmfcandu 'Kyle Fletcher' <kyle.fletcher@candu.com>
20:10:56 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, !
20:11:03 <kmf> sorry I'm late
20:11:03 <sesivany> thunderbirdtr: go ahead
20:11:22 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, for "volunteers" what we can do ? I just wonder
20:11:57 <sesivany> thunderbirdtr: session chairing, info desk,...
20:12:27 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, got it. thank you
20:13:02 <sesivany> any other announcements?
20:13:20 <b10n1k> .fas b10n1k
20:13:21 <zodbot> b10n1k: jobo 'jiannis bonatakis' <california17@gmail.com> - b10n1k 'jiannis Bonatakis' <jbonatakis@gmail.com>
20:13:38 <sesivany> btw who is planning to attend Flock 2014? ;-)
20:13:55 <thunderbirdtr> me ! :)
20:14:11 <zoltanh7211> bunch of hu community members also
20:14:14 <b10n1k> i am still thinking about that
20:14:32 <b10n1k> I mean I m not sure
20:15:27 <sesivany> having an accepted talk is the safest way to get sponsored.
20:16:05 <sesivany> I'm not asking for sponsorship this time because it's just a two-hour drive from my home :)
20:16:30 <thunderbirdtr> you should not :))
20:17:04 <sesivany> ok, let's move to the next topic.
20:17:09 <sesivany> #topic Requests
20:17:20 * sesivany is checking the trac...
20:18:00 <sesivany> zoltanh7211: are you still coming to Red Hat OpenHouse in Brno?
20:18:12 <zoltanh7211> sesivany: yes,
20:18:23 <zoltanh7211> if nothing comes between
20:19:09 <sesivany> zoltanh7211: ok, I'll give you media and swag for PlayIT there, so that we won't have to ship it.
20:19:23 <zoltanh7211> sesivany: yes as we had talked
20:19:36 <sesivany> zoltanh7211: and also some media and swag for thunderbirdtr
20:19:43 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, thank you
20:19:55 <sesivany> thunderbirdtr: you couldnt get the second package either, right?
20:20:05 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, yes I told you for it..
20:20:49 <zoltanh7211> sesivany: we can stuff thunderbirdtr's backpack - if you send it over to BUD next time - we spread it to TR if can be made so
20:21:19 <sesivany> thunderbirdtr: I hope they will send it back soon because a couple of weeks ago I received a returned package from Jordan with F19 media which is not very useful any more.
20:21:45 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, they already did for both  I signed myself ... for both
20:21:53 <sesivany> thunderbirdtr: great
20:22:00 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, and long ago.. .
20:22:03 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany,  I did
20:23:22 <sesivany> I've got one ticket to approve, but I'm not sure if we have a quorum today.
20:23:43 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, I also have one ticket need really...
20:23:53 <edgates> Very few of us online
20:23:57 <sesivany> #info Ticket #367 - Production of Ambassador's polo shirts for 2014
20:24:06 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/367
20:24:29 <sesivany> we've run out of most sizes already, we only have L and XL, so I'd like to produce more polo shirts.
20:24:47 <sesivany> the price is a bit lower than last year.
20:25:30 <sesivany> are we ok with that?
20:25:33 * robyduck says hello
20:25:35 <sesivany> let's try to vote :)
20:25:39 <thunderbirdtr> +1
20:25:40 <robyduck> +1
20:25:43 <sesivany> robyduck is here to help :)
20:25:50 <robyduck> yes I am
20:25:53 <edgates> +1
20:26:09 <zoltanh7211> I say thats ok +1
20:26:20 <kmf> +1
20:26:32 <b10n1k> +1
20:26:37 <sesivany> so we do have a quorum today :-)
20:26:41 <robyduck> :D
20:26:42 <zoltanh7211> cool
20:27:05 <sesivany> #agreed The ticket #367 has been approved.
20:27:47 <zoltanh7211> sesivany: !
20:27:52 <sesivany> thunderbirdtr: I'll approve yours on peer review basis, it's under the limit.
20:27:57 <sesivany> zoltanh7211: yes?
20:28:19 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, for both tickets thanks
20:28:41 <zoltanh7211> sesivany: can you check #361 - Gergely has updated with prizes - and requested support I think
20:30:23 * sesivany is checking the ticket...
20:30:57 <robyduck> looks expensive, no?
20:31:40 <sesivany> robyduck: the black t-shirt definitely are.
20:31:58 <zoltanh7211> well, you can say for parts that you allow and gonna be supported, balloons, and pens I say cheap
20:32:17 <thunderbirdtr> looks nice for all
20:32:41 <zoltanh7211> lanyards also I say would be useful, and spread for other events too
20:32:47 <zoltanh7211> I dunno
20:33:00 <sesivany> zoltanh7211: the pens and balloons are definitely a go.
20:33:24 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany,  I think "white" color will issue or not ?
20:33:31 <sesivany> but the t-shirts are quite expensive. Do you really need them since you have ambassador's polo shirts?
20:34:30 <sesivany> thunderbirdtr: the main problem is that this event is not planned in our budget, so it comes from our reserves. And we don't simply have so much money in reserves.
20:34:30 <zoltanh7211> sesivany: we tought that we could use for the playIT event, but if you say that is too much... comment that in the ticket
20:34:45 <robyduck> what about dropping both shirts and reduce a bit the quantity of lanyards? Balloons and pens sound good
20:35:20 <zoltanh7211> robyduck: yep, can be combination also - this is coming from one company
20:35:21 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, For each event "theme" We create and extra type of t-shirt and It will be nice for it..  and yes It wasn't in the list for last "FAD"
20:36:12 <sesivany> robyduck's suggestion is reasonable, pens, balloons and I'd say 1/2 of lanyards.
20:36:39 <sesivany> we really can't afford more. If it's planned next year, there won't be any problem to allocate more money.
20:36:43 <robyduck> this would still be 500 €
20:37:29 <sesivany> robyduck: that would probably be doable. CLT and LinuxTag seem not to take some much money this year.
20:38:17 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, ! you can sent the stuff I sent back to office and in event It will  be support swags largely I think ?  that will be first for "us" and I wish to be "Excellent" for us too ?
20:38:35 <robyduck> zoltanh7211: would this be also ok for you?
20:39:34 <zoltanh7211> robyduck: I think would be nice to have some white tshirts also - so have a mixed amount, that we can share it with other events
20:39:37 <sesivany> thunderbirdtr: there is no problem with standard swag, I think I've got enough for them.
20:40:03 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, okey.. .
20:40:35 <sesivany> ok, let's put it this way. We can allocate €500 for additional swag to the event and it's up to you how you will spend it. But really we can't give more.
20:40:55 <robyduck> sesivany: do we have other swags available to send to zoltanh7211 ? We could also allocate an amount of € and let zoltanh7211 decide how much to produce and which swag. Can't we?
20:41:04 <robyduck> meh...
20:41:20 <sesivany> we don't even know yet how much money we will get this year, still not decided by Red Hat.
20:43:00 <zoltanh7211> sesivany: please comment another amounts that you can prefer - and let's say we wouldn't like to blow up the budget
20:43:36 <sesivany> zoltanh7211: how about the last proposal? That's €500 for swag + €200 for thunderbirdtr = €700 which is around $1000. We can't really give more to an event that hasn't been planned in our budget.
20:45:04 <sesivany> can we vote about it?
20:45:05 <zoltanh7211> sesivany: I say 500 is can be too much, and I think would be better to concentrate on mass productable stuffs
20:45:48 <zoltanh7211> that can mean that everybody benefit from it, and also possibly avoid to blow up the budget
20:47:25 <edgates> *thumb up*
20:48:27 <sesivany> zoltanh7211: sure, but unfortunately we don't have any money left in the budget for swag in this quarter. I already produced stickers and badges for $800, now the polo shirts for $840.
20:49:03 <sesivany> and our budget for this quarter is $1900 and it's expected to be cut by 30 percent by Red Hat, so we're already over the budget.
20:49:31 <zoltanh7211> sesivany: :(
20:49:54 <robyduck> well zoltanh7211 you know how the game is working, so we could for sesivany's proposal and if you are able to spend less it would be nice for all.
20:50:29 <robyduck> we could *vote* for...
20:50:38 <sesivany> zoltanh7211: so if you want to produce a special swag for the event, do so, but I suggest the highest limit of €500. We spend it all, no problem, if you spend less, better for our overall budget, if you have any swag left, better for others.
20:51:30 <zoltanh7211> sesivany: ok, if you can please note for rgeri77 that too, that we are over that budget limit and rethink that he would like to order
20:51:43 <zoltanh7211> for me okay
20:51:48 <sesivany> ok, let's vote about €500 for PlayIT special swag.
20:51:57 <sesivany> +1
20:51:59 <robyduck> +1
20:52:05 <thunderbirdtr> +1
20:52:07 <zoltanh7211> +1
20:52:36 <robyduck> edgates: ?
20:52:50 <sesivany> kmf?
20:53:00 <kmf> +1
20:53:15 <kmf> sorry thunder storm looking the line
20:53:33 <sesivany> ok, approved.
20:53:34 <kmf> s/the/ at the/g
20:54:24 <sesivany> #agreed Ticket #361 - €500 approved for a special swag for the event
20:55:28 <sesivany> b10n1k: we currently only have large and extra large sizes, so if you're ok with L, I can send it right away, otherwise you will have to wait until the new ones are produced.
20:56:13 <b10n1k> yeah sure. I think it s ok
20:56:25 <sesivany> b10n1k: ok
20:56:35 <netSys> hello
20:56:42 <sesivany> besides that I don't see any other tickets to be approved.
20:56:46 <sesivany> netSys: hi
20:57:05 <netSys> what's topic are talking folks?
20:57:21 <sesivany> netSys: we just finished Requests moving to events.
20:57:52 <netSys> oh ok, have you seen ticket for FLLW?
20:58:00 <sesivany> I don't think we have to discuss the ambassador's schedule since we've got a plenty of time before F21.
20:58:19 <zoltanh7211> yep
20:58:21 <sesivany> netSys: what number is it?
20:58:34 <netSys> give me a second join into swag..
20:59:00 <netSys> #353
20:59:02 <thunderbirdtr> sesivany, https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/353
21:01:06 <netSys> sorry I went to run out of work
21:02:39 <sesivany> netSys: I'm ok with 25+96€. It's the same problem as we discussed earlier today. We don't have much money left right now.
21:03:00 <netSys> :/
21:03:09 <netSys> Maybe I have to open a tick into famsco?
21:03:41 <sesivany> netSys: FAmSCo has nothing to do with this. FAmSCo doesn't have any budget any more, everything was allocated to regions, to us.
21:04:06 <sesivany> netSys: flyers and 8 t-shirts is not ok for the event?
21:04:14 <sesivany> + swag I would send you.
21:04:47 <netSys> ok, sesivany  I thought do a raffle
21:04:59 <netSys> because do more tshirts increases the cost
21:05:33 <netSys> but If cannot do money to tshirts, least to money to print flyers? If it's possible
21:06:21 <sesivany> netSys: you can print and flyers and produce the t-shirts for €96. That's I think ok.
21:06:32 <sesivany> we just don't have money for twice more t-shirts.
21:07:13 <sesivany> netSys: is that ok?
21:08:09 <netSys> I don't understand very well language problems... can explain me better? sorry
21:08:53 <sesivany> I suggest you can print 100 flyers for €25 and make 8 t-shirts for €96.
21:09:46 <netSys> sesivany, not problem, I could print only flyers
21:10:03 <sesivany> in other words, your budget limit for the event would €121
21:10:10 <sesivany> would be, sorry.
21:11:01 <sesivany> I'll approve this on peer review basis so that we don't have spend time voting...
21:11:18 <netSys> mmm then you can send 50€ to buy a cake, or sandwiches and print flyers
21:11:46 <sesivany> netSys: ok
21:12:02 <sesivany> ok, let's move to events topic.
21:12:09 <sesivany> #topic Events
21:12:29 <netSys> and swag of course! don't forget please
21:12:59 <sesivany> CLT already took place.
21:13:02 <sesivany> netSys: sure
21:13:19 <sesivany> but gnokii is busy with LGM these days.
21:13:43 <sesivany> the next big event is LinuxTag.
21:14:02 <sesivany> which I think is cwickert's event.
21:14:07 <sesivany> who is not here either.
21:14:19 <netSys> where is taking place? germany?
21:14:31 <sesivany> netSys: Berlin
21:14:31 <zoltanh7211> netSys: in Vienna
21:14:37 <zoltanh7211> linuxtag
21:14:45 <zoltanh7211> sorry
21:14:48 <sesivany> zoltanh7211: LinuxTag is Berlin
21:14:49 <zoltanh7211> linuxwochen
21:15:01 <zoltanh7211> yep my mistake
21:15:06 <netSys> nice =D
21:15:35 <sesivany> ok, do we have any event we'd like to discuss and we haven't today?
21:15:54 <netSys> !
21:16:20 <sesivany> netSys: go ahead
21:16:37 <twohot> .fas twohot
21:16:38 <zodbot> twohot: twohot 'Onyeibo Oku' <twohotis@gmail.com>
21:16:44 <netSys> If somebody wants to going into FLLW at Lanzarote, Canary Islands. You can get in touch with me to looking and hotel or apartment
21:16:56 <netSys> talks or listening you're welcome :D
21:18:10 <sesivany> netSys: nice weather is assured? ;-)
21:18:27 <netSys> yuup
21:19:11 <netSys> In addition to, June is a warm month of summer here. So you can go to the beach jump to water of sea lol
21:19:12 * robyduck could combine it with a surf trip :D
21:20:27 <sesivany> #topic Openfloor
21:20:54 <sesivany> if you have any topic to discuss it's your time now :)
21:21:51 <sesivany> otherwise I'll end the meeting ;-)
21:22:25 <netSys> nice, take care! :D Weather is so freaky last months
21:23:06 <kmf> lol
21:23:18 <zoltanh7211> hehe
21:24:43 <sesivany> ok, everyone, thank you for attending today and meet you in two weeks!
21:24:56 <robyduck> see you
21:25:01 <kmf> cheers
21:25:04 <b10n1k> bb
21:25:06 <netSys> greetings!
21:25:18 <sesivany> #endmeeting