15:00:43 <tflink> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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15:00:45 <tflink> #meetingname fedora-qa
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15:00:49 <tflink> #topic Roll Call
15:00:58 <tflink> #chair kparal pschindl
15:00:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: kparal pschindl tflink
15:01:04 <ignatenkobrain> .fasinfo ignatenkobrain
15:01:06 <zodbot> ignatenkobrain: User: ignatenkobrain, Name: Igor Gnatenko, email: i.gnatenko.brain@gmail.com, Creation: 2013-04-12, IRC Nick: ignatenkobrain, Timezone: Europe/Moscow, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 21B0C5E9, Status: active
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15:01:41 <ignatenkobrain> hi all!
15:01:47 * pschindl is here
15:02:22 <tflink> ignatenkobrain, pschindl: welcome, welcome
15:03:01 <pschindl> tflink: good morning
15:03:03 <spstarr> hullo
15:03:21 <ignatenkobrain> tflink: you too ;)
15:04:17 <tflink> still missing a few folks
15:04:19 * jskladan checks in
15:05:56 * kparal arrives late
15:06:15 <kparal> pschindl: thanks
15:06:54 <tflink> alrighty, lets get started
15:07:09 <tflink> #topic Previous Meeting Followup
15:07:30 <tflink> #info Roshi to get out test day schedule soon
15:07:40 <tflink> I do believe that he started on this
15:08:09 <tflink> but there are several test day tickets which need to be addressed
15:08:21 <tflink> #info announcement has gone out, still more work to do
15:09:10 <tflink> #info handsome_pirate to coordinate with cloud folks for cloud testing and where images are to be located
15:09:34 <tflink> does anyone know more about the status on this?
15:10:14 * tflink has no idea if this was done or not, does not see mr. pirate online ATM
15:10:32 <tflink> #undo
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15:10:42 <tflink> #info handsome_pirate to coordinate with cloud folks for cloud testing and where images are to be located - UNKNOWN status
15:11:03 <tflink> #action handsome_pirate  to coordinate with cloud folks for cloud testing and where images are to be located
15:11:16 <tflink> anything else from last week that I missed?
15:12:36 * tflink assumes not
15:12:40 <tflink> moving on
15:12:54 <tflink> #topic Fedora 20 Alpha Status/Planning
15:13:18 <tflink> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_20_Alpha_TC2_Install?rd=Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test
15:13:40 <tflink> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_20_Alpha_TC2_Desktop
15:14:07 <tflink> the installation matrices look OK to me for coverage
15:14:17 <kparal> 32b images are dead atm
15:14:24 <tflink> still missing quite a few results but I suspect that they've been covered otherwise
15:14:33 <ignatenkobrain> .bug 1000889
15:14:37 <zodbot> ignatenkobrain: Bug 1000889 AttributeError: 'DeviceFormat' object has no attribute 'mount' - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1000889
15:14:40 <ignatenkobrain> I can't boot netinst
15:14:43 <ignatenkobrain> on x86_64
15:15:15 <kparal> ignatenkobrain: already accepted as blocker
15:15:21 <kparal> we know about it
15:15:22 <ignatenkobrain> kparal: ack
15:15:44 <tflink> #info installation matrices look OK, considering current issues with F20 alpha TC2
15:16:18 <tflink> in retrospect, should have done F20 issues first
15:16:39 <tflink> messy minutes FTW!
15:16:49 <tflink> #topic F20 Issues
15:17:04 <tflink> #info x32 images are DOA
15:17:04 <spstarr> happy holiday Monday  ;)
15:18:07 <tflink> #info several proposed/accepted blockers remain which are causing significant installation issues
15:18:19 <tflink> #link https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/20/alpha/buglist
15:18:20 <spstarr> do we have the runlevel is unknown as a blocker bug posted?
15:18:34 <tflink> spstarr: not that I'm aware of, no
15:19:17 <spstarr> i would propose that as a blocker let me get bug #
15:19:31 <spstarr> cannot start X with graphical environment (KDE or GNOME) with no runlevel
15:19:49 <tflink> it looks like the biggest issues ATM are: 1000927 and 1003230
15:20:11 <tflink> note the _biggest_ part of that - not trying to say that the other bugs aren't issues
15:20:16 <kparal> and 1002055
15:20:39 <spstarr> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1002806
15:21:04 <spstarr> note i hit this with PXE/ boot.iso
15:21:24 <tflink> from a quick scan, it doesn't look like there's been much movement on any of these
15:21:47 <tflink> 32bit sounds like a huge mess, in general
15:21:55 <tflink> and we freeze tomorrow!
15:21:58 <kparal> spstarr: let's discuss this one outside of the meeting. but you really need to add how-to-reproduce description
15:21:59 <tflink> fun times
15:22:13 <spstarr> kparal: i will append to bug we can discuss in other channel
15:22:14 <spstarr> yes
15:22:15 <kparal> spstarr: and logs
15:22:45 <tflink> is anyone actively poking devs for a fix on any of the bugs we've listed above?
15:22:59 <kparal> the gnome-shell bug seems to be worked on
15:23:24 <kparal> there's no development in 1000927
15:23:31 <kparal> we should raise this in #anaconda
15:23:57 <kparal> hmm, neither in 1000889
15:24:39 <tflink> not sure we'll get much out of them today - most of them are US based or probably have gone home
15:25:16 <kparal> right
15:25:46 <tflink> sounds like we have a todo list for tomorrow, then
15:25:49 <pschindl> Most of anaconda team has vacation these days
15:25:52 <kparal> I or pschindl can ask vpodzime to debug 1000927 tomorrow
15:26:03 <pschindl> kparal: ok
15:26:17 <tflink> #action kparal or pschindl to pester brno anaconda folks about 1000927
15:26:32 <kparal> roger
15:27:00 <kparal> I'll pester pschindl who will forward it to Vratislav
15:27:01 <pschindl> I'll be happy to do that :)
15:27:18 * tflink can pester devs about #1000889 tomorrow
15:27:27 <pschindl> kparal: maybe I'll ask some of our intern to do that :)
15:27:42 <tflink> wow, the levels of delegation we have :-D
15:28:19 <pschindl> tflink: hopefully they will be online, I heard something about longer vacation, but maybe it was only about Monday
15:28:26 <kparal> the more levels the more efficiency, I heard...
15:28:40 <tflink> someone is off for the next week, clumens, I think?
15:28:52 <tflink> i hope it isn't all of them
15:29:05 <pschindl> 1002055 should be fixed in 3.9.91 which should come in Wednesday
15:29:54 <tflink> #info 1002055 will hopfully be fixed by mutter-3.9.91 which should come on wednesday
15:30:25 * tflink wonders how much more of the gnome stack will come with it, but that is a different question
15:30:42 <tflink> any other huge issues that need driving/annoyance-phasers?
15:31:40 <kparal> pschindl: no it won't
15:31:43 <ignatenkobrain> not from me
15:31:44 <tflink> the rest will come up tomorrow or at the blocker meeting on wednesday, I suppose
15:32:17 <kparal> pschindl: read comment 23
15:32:39 <pschindl> kparal: "drago01:  pschindl: should be in 3.9.91 which should be released soon (today or tomorrow)" that's what I just read on #fedora-desktop
15:32:53 <kparal> pschindl: ah, great news then
15:33:33 <drago01> kparal: fwiw here is the upstream commit https://git.gnome.org/browse/mutter/commit/?id=46f4ea7ed7daf89f
15:34:05 <tflink> sweet
15:34:34 <tflink> drago01: i assume that means that there will be no build to test until that's released?
15:35:06 <drago01> tflink: that's an obvious fix imo but I can get you a scratch build if you want that
15:35:18 <pschindl> only issue is 3.9.91 build of Gnome. I'm not sure, if it could go to compose after freeze. But I assume that if we have this blocker ...
15:35:39 <tflink> yeah, I was wondering that as well
15:35:48 <drago01> tflink: but florian might gets the release done today we could just get 3.9.91
15:35:50 <tflink> not sure we want to pull in an entire gnome release as a blocker
15:36:15 <pschindl> tflink: it should come the day after tomorrow. And I think it would be great to test it as soon as possible.
15:36:23 <kparal> tflink: what could possibly go wrong?
15:36:49 <tflink> kparal: that's a scary question :)
15:37:12 <tflink> either way, it sounds like we're waiting on new builds to test that
15:37:43 <tflink> if we're lucky, it'll get done today and we'll be able to avoid the question of whether or not to pull in a new gnome release as a blocker
15:38:01 * tflink hasn't been following gnome all that closely, is 3.9.91 a big change?
15:38:29 <tflink> eh, we're getting off into the weeds, will discuss outside meeting
15:38:36 <pschindl> It was told to me that it should come in next few days
15:38:36 <tflink> on to the next topic
15:38:52 <tflink> #topic Fedora 20 Alpha ARM devices
15:39:04 <drago01> tflink: .90 -> .91 is going from beta to rc
15:39:15 <tflink> I suspect that there is nobody around to answer the question of which devices actually work now
15:39:29 <tflink> IIRC, there was a possible fix for the trimslice
15:39:44 <kparal> maybe pwhalen knows?
15:39:52 <kparal> if he's here
15:39:52 <tflink> he's US based
15:40:00 <tflink> sane people don't work on holidays
15:40:02 <tflink> :)
15:40:15 <Southern_Gentlem> tflink,  wanna bet
15:40:26 <kparal> Southern_Gentlem: tflink is US based as well
15:40:34 <kparal> I completely forgot
15:40:37 <tflink> hence the "sane" part
15:40:56 <Southern_Gentlem> work today to go to OLF later
15:41:14 <Southern_Gentlem> seems sane to me
15:41:40 <tflink> OLF?
15:41:56 <kparal> on friday I tested qemu emulation of arm. it's insanely slow, but it works
15:42:10 <pwhalen> tflink, trimslice issue is fixed
15:42:26 <kparal> speaking of the devil...
15:42:29 <tflink> #info trimslice issue with glibc is fixed
15:42:49 <tflink> pwhalen: what about omap?
15:42:57 <tflink> or was it specific to pandaboard?
15:43:21 <pwhalen> we'd like to not decalre any hw blockers for f20 for arm
15:43:41 <pwhalen> tflink, omap issue is still outstanding
15:44:03 <tflink> pwhalen: ok, but which platforms are actually working ATM?
15:44:17 <tflink> I don't see any non-minimal passes in the matrices for TC2
15:45:31 <pschindl> Does anyone checked if fix for #979174 works fine?
15:45:52 <pwhalen> Ive tested most of them in qemu to see if they booted etc. the trimslice glibc issue is fixed, however there is no network right now
15:46:31 <tflink> so we still don't have any common hardware that can run the images?
15:46:40 <pwhalen> panda doesnt boot at all, qemu works well, on highbank ive done a number of installs, interactive, autopart , lvm
15:47:13 <kparal> any news with beaglebone black?
15:47:44 <pwhalen> qemu works well, but no network on trimslice
15:47:54 <tflink> #info the trimslice glibc issue is fixed, however there is no network right now
15:48:11 <tflink> #info panda doesnt boot at all
15:48:21 <pwhalen> beaglebone black is actively being worked on as a priority over the pandaboard
15:48:24 <tflink> #info [arm] qemu works well
15:49:13 <tflink> #info highbank appears to be working for installs: interactive, autopart , lvm
15:49:17 <pwhalen> pandaboard is dead upstream unfortunately
15:49:35 <tflink> #info beaglebone black is actively being worked on as a priority over the pandaboard
15:49:49 <tflink> a casualty of TIs strategy change, I assume
15:50:24 <tflink> but we still have no common ARM platforms working a day before alpha freeze
15:50:31 <tflink> unless I'm missing something
15:50:39 <pwhalen> so we expect things to change shortly with hw, but dont think the kernel issues should block a release
15:51:22 <tflink> any guesses on timeframe?
15:51:32 <tflink> days/weeks/months etc.?
15:52:17 <pwhalen> kyles pretty awesome, so I say days.. but would feel more comfortable talking with him tomorrow about it
15:52:27 <tflink> ok
15:53:01 * tflink needs to look back on the fesco decision and see if there were any comments about working HW for PA
15:53:09 <tflink> anyhow, we're running short on time
15:53:32 <tflink> #topic Fedora 20 Alpha Testing
15:53:37 <tflink> I don't think there's much to say here
15:53:52 <tflink> more testing to do, annoyance-phasers to hand out
15:54:17 <tflink> #info Fedora 20 Alpha Freeze is Tomorrow 2013-09-03
15:54:29 <tflink> so bodhi will be turned on tomorrow
15:54:46 <tflink> the usual rush for blocker/FE status will follow shortly, I assume
15:55:00 <kparal> yay
15:55:11 <tflink> anything that should be called out which hasn't already?
15:55:18 <tflink> hasn't already been mentioned, rather
15:55:31 * kparal hasn't received his phaser yet
15:55:55 <tflink> #action tflink to poke roshi about handling test day tickets
15:56:15 <tflink> kparal: we'll have to fix that soon :)
15:56:22 <tflink> then it's time for ...
15:56:29 <tflink> #topic Open Floor
15:56:39 <tflink> Anything else that should be brought up?
15:56:49 <kparal> bacon
15:56:54 <kparal> umm, sorry
15:57:11 * tflink will never understand the obsession some people have with bacon
15:57:44 <tflink> If there's nothing else ...
15:57:45 * kparal is looking forward to his supper
15:57:47 <rcheleguini> hey all, I'm Raul, would like to start help fedora with QA
15:58:11 <tflink> rcheleguini: welcome! is there anything in particular that you'd like to work on?
15:58:11 <kparal> rcheleguini: that's great, welcome!
15:58:18 <rcheleguini> kparal, tflink thanks!
15:58:25 * tflink notes that we have ~ 2 minutes left
15:58:41 <rcheleguini> tflink, yes, since I don't have background with QA, I will need some help :)
15:59:03 <kparal> rcheleguini: let's continue this in #fedora-qa outside of the meeting
15:59:14 <tflink> yep, my thoughts exactly
15:59:15 <rcheleguini> I've signed the lists and I'm following the channels here in freenode
15:59:24 <rcheleguini> sounds good
15:59:25 <rcheleguini> thanks!
15:59:45 * tflink sets a short patent-pending nondeterministic QA fuse
15:59:47 <tflink> Thanks for coming everyone!
15:59:57 <tflink> Keep up the good work!
16:00:25 <tflink> #endmeeting