13:31:04 <randomuser`> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 13:31:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Aug 5 13:31:04 2013 UTC. The chair is randomuser`. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:31:04 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:31:04 <randomuser`> #meetingname Fedora Docs 13:31:05 <randomuser`> #topic Roll Call 13:31:05 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs' 13:31:09 * randomuser` facepalms 13:31:17 <pbokoc> :)) 13:31:27 * jjmcd 13:32:20 <Croberts> im here 13:34:06 <jfenal> I'm here 13:34:20 <randomuser`> hey, jfenal 13:34:27 <ns0693> I am here 13:34:28 <jfenal> heya randomuser` 13:34:45 <randomuser`> pbokoc, is jhradile joining? 13:35:19 <pbokoc> randomuser`, I dunno, he's not here at the moment. I think he's on a conference call that took longer than he anticipated... 13:35:25 <randomuser`> ah, ok 13:35:31 <pbokoc> he's probably going to run here in a few minutes 13:35:40 <randomuser`> I suspect jfenal has questions for him :) 13:36:07 <randomuser`> #topic Follow up on last week's action items 13:36:54 <randomuser`> I've got things mostly ready to start writing beats. Expect an announcement soon, and I really should start this bugs for changes thing soon 13:37:06 <randomuser`> Croberts, you were playing in the wiki? 13:37:42 <Croberts> Yes I was, I have cleaned up the meeting notes page and have been working on some pages that were in the need love catgory 13:37:57 <Croberts> the previous meeting notes look nice now, in a table format 13:38:15 <randomuser`> cool 13:38:46 <randomuser`> thanks, Croberts 13:38:54 <Croberts> No problem. there is one page that i do need some info on to update it 13:39:08 <randomuser`> #topic Release Notes / Changes 13:39:20 <randomuser`> #info Beats are cleared on the wiki 13:40:08 <randomuser`> i also tried to push a form of the "developer appeal for communication with the docs team" out as rawhide RNs, but no go yet 13:40:49 * lnovich is here sorry I am late 13:40:58 <randomuser`> welcome, lnovich 13:41:26 <lnovich> thanks 13:41:53 <randomuser`> for the most part, the discussions on the Accepted changes are complete; so we could write those up and be done with them for the RNs 13:42:06 <randomuser`> hmm 13:42:26 <randomuser`> jreznik, I think I'll do a tracker bug too 13:43:03 <randomuser`> anyone have comments on Changes/RNs ? I'm just going over the SOP, again, since it is new 13:43:35 <lnovich> nothing from me 13:43:48 <Croberts> randomuser: nothing from eme 13:43:55 <Croberts> me* 13:44:29 <randomuser`> okay, we'll move on then 13:44:40 <randomuser`> #topic Guide Status 13:45:18 <jfenal> I have a question about the System Admin Guide 13:45:18 <jfenal> and its status 13:45:27 <randomuser`> i saw gomix has been working on the software administration guide, that's neat 13:45:43 <pbokoc> jfenal, that's a question for Jarek Hradilek (jhradilek), who unfortunately isn't here right now 13:46:01 <jfenal> pbokoc: thx 13:46:58 <pbokoc> jfenal, I'll tell him to contact you when he gets back 13:47:00 <randomuser`> jfenal, he does usually join, and is usually in #fedora-docs if not here today 13:47:10 <jfenal> tried to ping him internally 13:48:22 <randomuser`> so, any other guides to discuss? 13:48:31 <jfenal> the new virt guide ? 13:48:53 <lnovich> which one? 13:48:57 <randomuser`> jfenal, i can only offer hearsay, but I think they are going to zanata with it 13:49:11 <jfenal> good question, just came back from vacation, let me find out 13:49:14 <randomuser`> oh, lnovich is here :) 13:49:19 <lnovich> yes i am here 13:50:04 <lnovich> what's the question jfeal? 13:50:09 <jfenal> the 13:50:10 <jfenal> Fedora Virt Deployment and Admin Guide 13:50:22 <lnovich> i mean jfenal 13:50:29 <lnovich> what question do you have? 13:50:43 <jfenal> randomuser` mentioned it was only in its early infancy when I set it up on Transifex 13:50:52 <lnovich> yes it is 13:51:06 <jfenal> do we have a target for release? 13:51:14 <lnovich> by the time F20 rolls out it should be more mature 13:51:18 <jfenal> ok 13:51:24 <lnovich> i hope 13:51:33 <jfenal> I need to automate updates to transifex, then 13:51:48 <jfenal> so translators have mostly up to date strings to translate 13:51:51 <lnovich> do you need anything from me? 13:52:05 <lnovich> this guide is a merger of 2 existing guides 13:52:12 <jfenal> lnovich: thx, I should be fine 13:52:13 <lnovich> so the strings may very well be there 13:52:40 <randomuser`> lnovich, the previous guides, as far as i can tell, were never set up on either tx or zanata 13:52:41 <jfenal> hmm, if we have a way to push translations from previous guide, then yes 13:52:54 <randomuser`> unless they are on rh internal platforms 13:52:57 <lnovich> i will ask 13:53:12 <jfenal> which were the guides merged into that one? 13:53:21 <lnovich> the virt. administration guide 13:53:28 <lnovich> and the virt. deployment guide 13:53:29 <jfenal> ok, that one was on Tx 13:53:53 <lnovich> which one is missing? 13:54:02 <jfenal> deployment guide, I guess 13:54:03 <randomuser`> jfenal, have you skimmed this guide? there are a lot of seams from the merge, I would suggest holding off on translation 13:54:27 <jfenal> randomuser`: anyway, nobody's translating it anyway 13:54:32 <jfenal> ;) 13:54:43 <ns0693> Well, I am new here and this is my first fedora-docs meeting, I am trying to understand what is going on :D 13:54:49 <lnovich> like i said - i was pressured to get this one up early, so i wasn't thrilled about putting something out there when it is not ready 13:54:57 <Croberts> ns0693: Welcome :) 13:55:00 <lnovich> hello newbie! 13:55:09 <jfenal> lnovich: 4 words : release often, release early 13:55:13 <lnovich> introduce yourself 13:55:22 <ns0693> Croberts : Thanks :) 13:55:22 <jfenal> ns0693: welcome from Paris 13:55:36 <lnovich> well if early means half baked - it doesn't make me happy 13:55:55 <lnovich> Paris! nice! 13:56:13 <jfenal> sure, we should mention it is a work in progress 13:56:28 <lnovich> a very slow work in progress unfortunately 13:56:32 <ns0693> Inovich : I am Navneet Singh, an under-graduating, IIIrd Year Computer Science Engineering student @JIET, Jodhpur, INDIA 13:56:32 <jfenal> and maybe list of tasks and gotchas to expect (or a link to the BZ) 13:56:35 <lnovich> so be patient 13:56:45 <jfenal> lnovich: sure, I am 13:56:46 <jfenal> ;) 13:56:49 <Croberts> randomuser: when I upload what I have converted from text to xml format can you look at it and spot check it 13:57:27 <jfenal> lnovich: to you have a Tx pseudo? 13:57:32 <ns0693> Currently, I am applicant for fedora ambassadors and i have been fixing few documentation bugs since Feb, 2013 13:57:34 <lnovich> welcome Navneet! 13:57:36 <randomuser`> Croberts, sounds good 13:57:47 <ns0693> jfenal : Thanks from INDIA :D 13:57:58 <lnovich> jfenal ? as in pseudonym? 13:58:24 <jfenal> lnovich: right, I had already sent you an invitation as a maintainer for this guide 13:58:29 <ns0693> Inovich : Thank you :) 13:58:39 <lnovich> yes 13:58:42 <jfenal> lnovich: yes, as in pseudonym or username 13:58:46 <lnovich> i thought i accepted 13:58:51 <jfenal> nope, not yet ;) 13:58:58 <lnovich> please send again then 13:59:06 <lnovich> i get 300 emails a day 13:59:15 <jfenal> lnovich: done 13:59:15 <lnovich> sometimes the filters don't work well 13:59:27 <jfenal> lnovich: we all have the same issue ;) 13:59:30 <lnovich> thanks 14:00:16 <lnovich> how can we help you Navneet? 14:01:27 <randomuser`> lnovich, i can probably keep working up patches for you if they are helping 14:01:39 <lnovich> ns0693 feel free to ping me off line or in #fedora-docs if you have questions 14:02:03 <lnovich> i honestly have not had time to look at them yet randomuser 14:02:16 * jhradilek sneaks in. 14:02:18 <randomuser`> fair enough 14:02:42 <lnovich> and to be more honest I won't be looking at it until the beginning of Sept 14:02:56 <randomuser`> ok 14:03:02 <randomuser`> i'll work on something else then 14:03:10 <ns0693> Inovich : Thanks, I was thinking the same. As the meeting should go on as per agenda and my questions could distract it :) 14:03:34 <lnovich> but come september I will be very much into that release and will look forward to any input 14:04:35 <lnovich> sure ns0693 any time - I am in Israel so I am around for many hours of your day 14:05:44 <ns0693> Inovich : Perfect. 14:05:47 <lnovich> ok rather then deviate more from the adgenda - the Virt deployment and Admin guide is in progress - very slowly 14:05:55 <randomuser`> :) 14:05:59 <jfenal> lnovich: ok 14:06:00 <lnovich> and i suggest we move on to another topic 14:06:17 <randomuser`> jhradilek, jfenal is trying to keep up with the translations to the sysadmin guide? 14:06:26 <jfenal> back to system admin guide: can we expect an update to Tx resources? 14:07:02 <lnovich> who is the author of that guide? 14:07:18 <jhradilek> <-- 14:07:24 <jhradilek> jfenal: Which version? 14:07:34 <jfenal> the lastest one 14:07:46 <jhradilek> I can update the f18 branch today. The f19 branch does not exist yet. 14:07:57 <jfenal> We have currently a French translator who working hardly to get it translated into French 14:08:01 <jhradilek> We are still working on thee F19 version. 14:08:10 <jhradilek> *the 14:08:16 <jfenal> however, it seems that it is (totally?) outdated on Transifex 14:08:31 <jfenal> dating back from F17 at least 14:08:38 <jfenal> (before systemd) 14:08:39 <jhradilek> I'll update it to the latest available version. 14:08:44 <jfenal> jhradilek: thanks 14:08:51 <ns0693> jfenal : I am currently working on fedora system-administrators-guide, and found that some of images are not updated according to latest GNOME version 14:08:55 <randomuser`> jhradilek, btw, `yum install create-tx-configuration` 14:09:45 <jhradilek> randomuser`: Is that available in Fedora 17? 14:10:01 <randomuser`> ehh... maybe? 14:10:02 <jfenal> jhradilek: https://gitorious.org/create-tx-configuration 14:10:16 <randomuser`> jhradilek, F17 is EOL, surely you've upgraded by now :) 14:10:26 <jfenal> ha ha ;) 14:10:31 <jhradilek> :) 14:10:38 <randomuser`> no, it is not 14:10:39 <jhradilek> I have it on my TODO list. :) 14:10:42 <pbokoc> heheh 14:10:50 <jhradilek> And I don't believe it is EOL just yet. 14:11:02 <handsome_pirate> It 14:11:02 <jfenal> hmm, I would'nt bet on it 14:11:03 <handsome_pirate> is 14:11:08 <randomuser`> no, it is 14:11:11 <pbokoc> it's been for 5 days now 14:11:15 <handsome_pirate> @f17eol 14:11:24 <randomuser`> jhradilek, in the meantime, https://gitorious.org/create-tx-configuration 14:11:27 <handsome_pirate> fedbot knows all 14:11:28 <Croberts> are we doing anything with f14 release notes, I came acrross a bug that was filled about a word spelled wrong 14:11:42 <randomuser`> Croberts, no, probably not 14:12:01 <Croberts> randomuser: can i close the bug? 14:12:03 <randomuser`> WONTFIX it, we don't have the cycles to be pushing around years-dead bits 14:12:17 <Croberts> ok 14:12:50 <randomuser`> I try and be appreciative to the reported even while doing that, though 14:12:54 <randomuser`> *reporter 14:13:20 <randomuser`> let's get on to bugs, then, running out of time 14:13:26 <randomuser`> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets 14:13:31 <randomuser`> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 14:14:08 <randomuser`> anyone have bugs they need help with? 14:15:28 <randomuser`> here's one 14:15:37 <Croberts> just that one i mentioned, I closed it with WONTFIX 14:15:40 <randomuser`> pbokoc, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=627417 14:16:03 <randomuser`> pbokoc, is this inherited, or are you planning to rewrite the landing page for docs.fp.o ? 14:16:19 <ns0693> randomuser : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=904083, Should I close it ? 14:16:35 <pbokoc> randomuser`, I inherited this from Rudi, and I think it was assigned to me by mistake. 14:16:55 <nb> hi 14:17:18 <randomuser`> ns0693, I don't have any insight there. Perhaps mail the list and cc the guide owner 14:17:22 <randomuser`> nb, hi! 14:17:29 <pbokoc> randomuser`, All of Jack Reed's bugs were assigned to Rudi when Jack's account got closed, and then he reassigned all Fedora bugs to me - including this one. I'll ping him about it, I'm not sure what to do with it. It's pretty old, too. 14:17:40 <randomuser`> yeah 14:18:00 <randomuser`> pbokoc, an idea: mail the list asking if anyone wants to take it up, and close it if not? 14:18:27 <pbokoc> randomuser`, yeah, that'll probably work better. I'll do that. 14:18:29 <jfenal> randomuser`: and close it on Tx as well, people continue to translate it as well 14:18:48 <randomuser`> jfenal, the storage guide? 14:18:49 <jfenal> and ideally, archive translations somewhere, and remove it from Tx 14:18:51 <jfenal> yes 14:18:55 <jfenal> the storage guide 14:19:01 <randomuser`> okay 14:19:01 <lnovich> storage admin is a big issue would be sad if it were dropped 14:19:14 <jfenal> lnovich: I totally agree with you 14:19:16 <randomuser`> lnovich, +1 14:19:35 <jfenal> and storage tech usually does not get dropped 14:19:40 <randomuser`> #action pbokoc to mail list re: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=627417 14:19:55 <jfenal> or slowly, so the guide is mostly relevant, but needs love to get newer tech in it 14:20:00 <randomuser`> #action randomuser to close resources on tx for storage guide, for now 14:20:24 <randomuser`> hm 14:20:37 <randomuser`> #action to add 'update cloud guide' to new contributors wiki page 14:20:42 <randomuser`> #undo 14:20:42 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x258092d0> 14:20:52 <randomuser`> #action randomuser to add 'update cloud guide' to new contributors wiki page 14:21:33 <jfenal> quick question about Cloud: what is the current license on CloudForms2 documentations? 14:22:15 <jfenal> I know that code opening is in progress, could the first step be the documentation? 14:22:44 <randomuser`> this, uh, might not be the right meeting for that question, jfenal 14:22:55 <jfenal> yeah, not Fedora related 14:23:03 <jfenal> sorry for the noise 14:23:39 <randomuser`> np 14:24:24 <randomuser`> #topic Open Floor 14:25:02 <pbokoc> randomuser`, last week you asked me about the Install Guide's translation files 14:25:12 <randomuser`> pbokoc, sounds familiar 14:25:35 <pbokoc> I'm working on it right now; the POTs are available, but I'm trying to find a way to reuse existing translations from previous releases 14:25:43 <jfenal> the ones on Zanata? 14:25:57 <pbokoc> jfenal, yep 14:26:00 <randomuser`> i was really hoping zanata did that for you :( 14:26:10 <jfenal> going back to Tx ? 14:27:14 <pbokoc> randomuser`, it doesn't seem like it does. I mean, when I open a file, the system gives me some suggestions based on similarities with previous versions, but I'd have to go through all of it and manually select that "yes, this is the same as the last version" 14:27:20 <pbokoc> even if it's a 100% match 14:27:29 <pbokoc> I'm hoping there's a way to just do that automatically 14:27:34 <randomuser`> damn, that's awful 14:27:59 <randomuser`> pbokoc, some of the people in #fedora-docs are zanata people, you might appeal for help 14:27:59 <pbokoc> anyway, I'm going to ask around on Zanata's mailing list, maybe I'm just blind or something 14:28:16 <randomuser`> that seems like an absurd feature to leave out with a guide of that volume 14:29:03 <randomuser`> final bell soon 14:29:08 <pbokoc> the problem is that everyone I know who uses Zanata is in Australia and that causes some pretty big problems regarding timezones - it's literally the other side of the world for me, I'd have to get up very early to catch someone online :) 14:29:40 <randomuser`> true 14:29:44 <randomuser`> ding! 14:29:45 <jfenal> pbokoc: don't go to bed, then ;) 14:30:00 <randomuser`> #endmeeting