14:29:59 <randomuser> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 14:29:59 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jul 1 14:29:59 2013 UTC. The chair is randomuser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:29:59 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:29:59 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs 14:29:59 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs' 14:29:59 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call 14:30:12 * Capesteve is here 14:30:25 * pbokoc too 14:30:57 <randomuser> #info randomuser is late and will have to buy the coffee after 14:31:34 * pkovar is here 14:32:44 * jsmith is half-here 14:33:18 <randomuser> okay, we'll get through this quick 14:33:34 <randomuser> #topic Beats, Notes, Changes 14:33:34 * jjmcd_ 14:34:18 <randomuser> we should start tracking the Change proposals jreznik is putting together 14:34:55 <randomuser> that means clearing the wiki pages, clearing the master branch of release-notes.git, and taking assignment of the bugs 14:35:11 * LoKoMurdoK here 14:35:25 <randomuser> any volunteers for wiki or git maintenance? 14:36:45 <randomuser> #action randomuser to clear master branch of RNs 14:37:21 <randomuser> i'll probably end up doing the other thing too, but I want to get to guides 14:37:29 <jreznik> randomuser: it's a bit slower than I expected and not many changes were submitted so far, clearing the old f19 postponed ones... 14:37:47 <jreznik> but I hope for next week I'll have everything setup and I'll let you know 14:38:01 <randomuser> thanks, jreznik 14:38:07 <jreznik> for features - do we have a list of deprecated stuff somewhere? for the announcement 14:38:24 <jreznik> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F19_release_announcement 14:38:59 <randomuser> I don't have such a list, no 14:40:04 * jreznik neither and I'm not aware of anything significant now, I'll try to dig a bit, otherwise I'll remove it 14:41:18 <randomuser> i'll think it over and let you know if I come up with anything 14:41:25 <randomuser> #topic Guide status 14:41:28 * jhradilek sneaks in. 14:41:47 <randomuser> #info a few guide subtopics to cover today 14:41:53 <randomuser> #topic Guide status - systemctl 14:42:14 <randomuser> So, I really think that we should migrate our guides to systemd :) 14:42:53 <randomuser> there are many places where we use `service $daemon start` instead of the systemctl invocation 14:43:15 <randomuser> which is fine - it works, after all - but it reads like we're out of date 14:43:40 <jhradilek> For the record, the System Administrator's Guide is already systemd-friendly, but there are other tools that should be documented: datetimectl, hostnamectl, localectl, etc. 14:44:02 <Capesteve> hostnamectl is done 14:44:04 * randomuser nods 14:44:11 <randomuser> sysadmin guide is well on the way 14:44:18 <jhradilek> Capesteve: You rock, sir. 14:44:32 <jhradilek> randomuser: You too, thanks a lot for your reviews. 14:44:51 <randomuser> thanks, jhradilek 14:44:55 <randomuser> I don't bring this up to try to give out work assignments 14:45:06 <Capesteve> timedatectl {reading about that this morning} 14:45:26 <randomuser> I've got cycles to spare now that RNs are done, and I can tackle something else 14:45:41 <randomuser> and this seems minimally intrusive 14:46:01 <jhradilek> Capesteve: pondrejka already wrote the documentation for localectl and timedatectl. :) 14:46:16 <Capesteve> oh! 14:46:23 <jhradilek> I just need to review it and apply his patches on master. 14:46:28 <Capesteve> i see 14:46:39 <randomuser> #info interested guide owners should ask for randomuser to help convert their guides for systemctl 14:47:09 <pbokoc> Installation Guide only seems to be mostly converted for systemd, I found some mentions of /sbin/service, but mostly it's systemctl. 14:47:15 <pbokoc> + there's F.9. Administering services with systemd 14:47:52 <randomuser> pbokoc, that was my last 'update for systemd' sprint :) 14:48:15 <pbokoc> randomuser, hehe, ok :) 14:48:26 <randomuser> okay, point made 14:48:34 <pbokoc> the power management guide is mixed too, I'll fix that in a sec 14:48:55 <randomuser> if you have a guide, I'll help bring it up to speed in that regard 14:49:03 <randomuser> #topic virt guides 14:49:26 <randomuser> jhradilek, you might be best suited to help with this one 14:49:55 <jhradilek> How can I help? 14:50:00 <randomuser> I created an instance on transifex over the weekend for the virtualization admin and deployment guide 14:50:25 <randomuser> there isn't an instance for either the virt security guide or the virt getting started guide 14:51:06 <randomuser> the rhel doc that the getting started guide came from has a zanata instance with no work done in it 14:51:33 <randomuser> is there any reason we shouldn't put these guides on transifex ang get them translated 14:51:36 <randomuser> ? 14:53:35 <randomuser> silence implies consent? 14:53:42 <jhradilek> Not that I know of. 14:54:07 <jhradilek> I can check verify that with lnovich, but I am pretty sure we can go ahead and start translating it in Zanata. 14:54:13 <jhradilek> *transifex 14:54:13 <randomuser> these are all new guides, I'm assuming it was an oversight 14:54:52 <jhradilek> As far as I know, the Installation Guide is one of the few guides that do not use transifex on purpose, but that is an exception, not a rule. 14:55:12 <randomuser> jhradilek, it would be great if you could check in with lnovich 14:55:22 <jhradilek> Will do. 14:55:26 <pkovar> dmparker seems to be the maintainer, though 14:55:33 <pkovar> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_guides_table 14:55:44 <jhradilek> pkovar: I'll check all virt guides. 14:55:52 <jhradilek> And report back to you, randomuser. 14:55:52 <randomuser> jhradilek, ping back and I can do the creating and pushing if needed 14:55:58 <randomuser> appreciated 14:56:39 * jhradilek adds an item to his todo list. 14:56:42 <Capesteve> Deployment Guide? In Fedora? 14:57:06 <randomuser> long ago... 14:57:18 <Capesteve> ignore me 14:57:36 <randomuser> bah, we're running out of time 14:57:36 <Capesteve> {virt Deployment Guide} 14:57:48 <randomuser> #topic Outstanding Bugs 14:57:56 <randomuser> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 14:58:14 <randomuser> #info please mail the list if you need help with bugs 14:58:25 <pkovar> (and also Virtualization Security Guide is not being translated atm) 14:58:37 <randomuser> d'oh 14:58:50 <pkovar> according to the table 14:59:10 <randomuser> ... i need to update that table for the VDAG to, i guess 14:59:19 <randomuser> VADG? 14:59:56 <pkovar> Virtualization Administration and Deployment Guide, right 15:00:14 <randomuser> pkovar, yes :) I put that one on transifex this weekend 15:00:31 * adamw clears throat 15:00:32 <pkovar> and we already have https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/fedoravirtgettingstartedguide/ 15:00:40 <randomuser> I wanted to see if it would inheret strings through the translation memory 15:01:02 <randomuser> pkovar, I didn't see that! 15:01:15 * randomuser glances at adamw 15:01:24 <randomuser> let's clear the floor before he gets angry 15:01:31 <randomuser> #endmeeting