01:00:12 <inode0> #startmeeting FAmNA 01:00:12 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Apr 3 01:00:12 2013 UTC. The chair is inode0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:12 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:18 <inode0> #meetingname FAmNA 01:00:18 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:28 <inode0> #topic Roll Call 01:00:33 <award3535> present 01:01:28 * rbergeron is here and throwing food at family to eat, back in a second 01:01:50 <award3535> throw some my way, its a late night snack 01:01:55 * nb is kind of here 01:02:16 * inode0 gives people a couple more minutes 01:03:25 <inode0> nb: are you still on famsco? 01:03:51 <dan408> here 01:04:21 <nb> inode0, yes 01:04:32 <dan408> yes he is 01:04:34 <nb> herlo and i both are 01:04:36 <dan408> so is herlo 01:05:14 <dan408> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassadors_Steering_Committee?rd=FAMSCO 01:05:17 <inode0> #chair rbergeron dan408 award3535 nb 01:05:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 dan408 inode0 nb rbergeron 01:05:21 <inode0> #topic Announcements 01:06:14 <inode1> sigh 01:06:26 <inode1> http://2013.texaslinuxfest.org/cfp <--- extended through this Friday 01:06:44 <inode1> Talks are only 30 minutes long so really anyone can do that! 01:06:47 * suehle says hi 01:06:54 <dan408> hi suehle 01:06:55 <rbergeron> inode1: did you put in? 01:07:18 <inode1> yes, I submitted two talks 01:07:34 <inode1> http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org/rfp2013/form.html <--- this one needs to be done by next Monday 01:07:58 <award3535> talks that is correct? 01:07:59 <inode1> #chair suehle 01:08:40 <inode1> can someone chair me? :) 01:08:47 <suehle> #chair inode1 01:08:47 <dan408> sure 01:08:49 <suehle> lol 01:09:02 <dan408> #topic tickets 01:09:05 <inode1> someone who already is a chair? 01:09:12 <inode1> don't hijack the meeting please 01:09:24 <dan408> oh 01:09:28 <dan408> i thought i had a chair 01:09:33 <suehle> You don't appear to have chaired anybody else as inode0 01:09:54 <inode0> #chair suehle 01:09:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 dan408 inode0 nb rbergeron suehle 01:10:02 <inode0> back in business 01:10:02 <dan408> [18:05] <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 dan408 inode0 nb rbergeron 01:10:22 <dan408> anyways 01:10:26 * dan408 shuts up 01:10:39 <inode0> #topic Regional Budget FY14 01:10:55 <inode0> Before we do tickets I want to spend a little time on the budget. 01:11:04 <award3535> lets roll 01:11:10 <inode0> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FY14_Budget 01:11:12 <rbergeron> happy happy joy joy 01:11:25 <inode0> Take a quick look at that if you haven't seen it already please. 01:12:17 <inode0> One thing I'd like be clear about is that while we get an annual budget we are expected to spend it more or less evenly across all quarters. 01:12:20 <award3535> is this the approved amount 01:13:03 <suehle> No, it doesn't have to be evenly divided. Those quarterly numbers are based on the requests. 01:13:13 <suehle> (and as you can see, they're not evenly divided) 01:13:16 <dan408> please link to the spreadsheet we worked on at fudcon 01:13:20 <dan408> err fadna* 01:13:28 <rbergeron> inode0: i don't know that that is entirely the expectation - we sort of tried to look at what peple were expecting to do by quarter - at least things like media and such throw that off quite a bit if nothing else 01:13:36 <inode0> I know, we have always been asked to spend it "more or less" evenly across quarters. 01:14:59 <inode0> Well, if that isn't true any longer that is fine. Reality is still going to dictate spending it more or less evenly across quarters as stuff happens all year long. 01:15:20 <rbergeron> I think now that we have something a bit more detailed we can work to spending it more "as planned" - wihch theoretically may be easier (or harder) - but it makes it far less of a balancing act 01:15:33 <inode0> Two quarters each year our budget takes a big hit with media, this isn't one of those quarters. 01:16:18 * rbergeron nods 01:16:26 <award3535> No but there are a lot of events 01:16:28 <inode0> So we should begin to figure out what we are spending this quarter on events and think about what swag or other expenses we might want to do this quarter. 01:16:54 <award3535> +1 01:17:12 <inode0> I see pycon, nelf, lfnw, and sort of txlf this quarter for events. 01:17:57 <inode0> txlf is mostly in next quarter but we'll probably pay for it in both 01:18:27 <inode0> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Northeast_Linuxfest_2013 01:18:36 <dan408> btw rbergeron do you know of any silicon valley events coming up i need to worry about? 01:18:40 <inode0> That fails to make clear to me what we spent in Boston. :) 01:18:49 <rbergeron> dan408: not at the moment and not in the middle of this discussion :) 01:19:14 <rbergeron> who paid the $500 for NELF? inode0? 01:19:29 <dan408> k 01:19:32 <inode0> not inode0 01:19:37 <rbergeron> suehle? 01:19:39 * masta is here 01:19:40 <dan408> chanchito i think 01:19:43 <inode0> Let me just make a suggestion about such things though. 01:19:59 <suehle> I thought I paid LFNW... let me check 01:20:09 <rbergeron> suehle: talking about northeast, not northwest 01:20:14 <inode0> Asking for someone to pay a bill on a mailing list is a very bad way to ask since none of the parties knows if any of the others are doing it. 01:20:16 <suehle> rbergeron, I know, that's why I'm checking 01:20:40 <suehle> Yeah, I paid NW. Don't think I paid NE. 01:20:48 <inode0> Please open tickets where everyone can identify an owner who is responsible for taking care of it. 01:20:56 <rbergeron> suehle: okay, i just saw you saw LFNW and figured you mixed them up (since they are constantly mixed up) 01:21:03 <rbergeron> saw you say 01:21:08 <suehle> rbergeron, I meant I was trying not to mix them up :) 01:21:09 <award3535> suehle: you also were in contact with Jeremy Sands about SELF, and BTW thank you 01:21:17 <suehle> SELF is paid as well 01:21:33 <award3535> great.... thanks suerle 01:21:44 <award3535> will update the ticket 01:21:46 <inode0> Last week we were reminded NELF hadn't been paid. 01:21:58 <suehle> Do you have an invoice from them? 01:21:59 <inode0> So if no one did it since last week it hasn't been done. 01:22:10 <nb> suehle, chanchito sent a paypal invoice from them to the mailing list 01:22:20 * suehle will go look for it 01:23:17 <inode0> So we spent iirc around $600 for pycon, $500 for NELF. 01:23:58 <inode0> So we have plenty of room this quarter to restock some swag if we have a need for any. 01:24:11 <inode0> Or we can donate some to EMEA which would make them happy. 01:24:58 <inode0> Thoughts? 01:25:10 <dan408> um 01:25:14 * rbergeron got a request from davdunc to sponsor his ticket for LFNW - they don't have the prices up yetbut iirc it's quite reasonable, will add it to the event page if/when i know more 01:25:31 <dan408> i think emea seems to be doing okay 01:26:02 <dan408> did we ever get hats from them? 01:26:07 <inode0> I think they disagree :) 01:26:38 <dan408> -_- 01:27:01 <rbergeron> i have a small stack of hats at my house from them. 01:27:05 <inode0> EMEA does great stuff and I am in favor of helping them whether this quarter or later. 01:27:13 <suehle> NELF paid 01:27:16 <dan408> rbergeron: how do they look? 01:27:28 <rbergeron> whenever we can figure out how to ship them without the shiping exceeding the cost of actual hats we could just get here :) ... 01:27:37 <rbergeron> dan408: like tan fedora baseball caps with fedora logos? 01:27:39 <rbergeron> just fine 01:27:59 <rbergeron> i have like.. 50 or 75 that i brought home from emea 01:28:11 <rbergeron> in the room that i had 01:28:15 <dan408> rbergeron: sound pretty 01:28:30 <rbergeron> inode0: it's fine either way. 01:28:48 <rbergeron> honestly, I think a lot of the time some expenses are basically forecast as "worst case" 01:28:52 * inode0 waits to see if there is anything specific NA needs this quarter 01:29:09 <dan408> media mainly 01:29:10 <rbergeron> it would be nice to have new/different swag for the summer 01:29:17 <rbergeron> including what we talked about at FADNA 01:29:18 <dan408> which i just filed a ticket for 01:29:25 <inode0> can it be furry? 01:29:42 <dan408> you want a fedora spherical cow? 01:30:05 <rbergeron> all i want is kittens in boxes, is that so wrong? 01:30:17 <dan408> i can send you those 01:30:20 <rbergeron> no, i mean, we had discussed mugs, keychains, reusable bags, screen cleaners, etc 01:30:22 <suehle> dead kittens or live kittens? 01:30:27 <rbergeron> we're heading into summer conference season 01:30:35 <dan408> yes 01:30:38 <dan408> playing cards 01:30:42 <dan408> what happened with the playing cards 01:30:44 <suehle> We could do plushie cats in little boxes... 01:30:56 <dan408> new shirt design? 01:30:57 * suehle has a crapton of those cards. Where would you like them to go? 01:31:08 <dan408> suehle: send them here, they'll go like hot cakes 01:31:21 <dan408> but i was talking in general NA wide 01:31:34 <dan408> they're a good swag item 01:31:55 * masta likes them too 01:32:18 <award3535> send them to SELF we can use them as swag too 01:32:26 <dan408> ^^seee? :) 01:32:29 <inode0> we can disperse existing swag any time 01:33:06 <dan408> people like playing cards yes? +1 if yes -1 if no 01:33:09 <suehle> I'll definitely bring them to SELF. I've been carrying some with me most places. They're expensive to ship though. 01:33:36 <award3535> cool 01:33:45 <award3535> +1 01:33:47 <dan408> +1 01:34:02 <inode0> masta: put them in the txlf swag request :) 01:34:24 <masta> I see the topic is about the budget - can we see what was approved? 01:34:45 * dan408 finds the google doc 01:35:00 <masta> last week it was still too early to show the budget 01:35:01 <award3535> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FY14_Budget 01:35:32 <dan408> #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApBrbq5j6NbOdG0zQzVvR3VqQ05NaE5xaDdLOWh3a0E&pli=1#gid=0 01:35:42 <dan408> #info this was from FADNA2013 01:36:55 <masta> ty award3535 01:37:33 <inode0> Ok, please think about what we need now so we have time to order it. New things will require a bit of added work so we can't leave this sitting too long. 01:37:34 <masta> inode0: now that I read that, yeah....sharing with emea might make them happy 01:37:56 <inode0> You should read the famsco list - oh no, don't. 01:38:25 <dan408> swag: tshirts, playing cards, media, whatever new stuff we talked about 01:38:30 <inode0> Let's move on then to tickets. 01:38:39 <award3535> +1 01:38:46 <inode0> dan408: so I'm just supposed to go arrange everything we talked about? 01:38:48 <dramsey> +1 01:39:11 <dan408> inode0: yup 01:39:22 <rbergeron> and we also need to make sure anything ordered is not ordered 2 minutes before the quarter ends :) 01:39:33 <dramsey> +1 01:39:35 <dan408> unless you want to give me a credit card 01:39:58 <rbergeron> (which means we need to plan in advance a bit to think about what to get) 01:40:01 <dan408> oh yeah lanyards, the lanyards rock. thank you nb for giving me one at fudcon. 01:40:01 <inode0> you still don't get it 01:40:25 <inode0> #topic Tickets 01:40:26 <dan408> what do you want a report, a ticket an email a wiki page? 01:40:27 <inode0> https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 01:40:31 <dan408> we have talked about this over and over again 01:41:19 <inode0> .famnaticket 54 01:41:21 <zodbot> inode0: #54 (Southeast Linux Fest Budget) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/54 01:41:48 <award3535> so far we are on track 01:41:58 <masta> thanks for paying the bronze lvl suehle 01:42:19 <inode0> RFP deadline is Monday for this event - second reminder tonight :) 01:43:00 <inode0> This event is awkwardly right before the Summit this year 01:43:17 <masta> ouch 01:43:37 <dan408> didnt someone mention a fudcon last week? 01:43:40 <inode0> We should plan a time maybe to brainstorm about SELF soon too. 01:44:02 <suehle> Jeremy let me know that we're welcome to the usual room at SELF for FAD-ing. 01:44:11 <masta> monday is a bit tight for papers 01:44:18 <inode0> last year we did some fun and unusual things at SELF 01:44:31 <dan408> o rly 01:44:36 <rbergeron> it's less papers and more presentations 01:44:42 <suehle> All out of hot dog suits. 01:44:47 <suehle> Time to put kittens in boxes. 01:44:55 <dan408> what about cows? 01:44:56 <rbergeron> inode0: i think if we could continue our donation theme and have it be like "donations to a local animal shelter" that would be dandy. 01:44:59 <suehle> perhaps a zombie kitten 01:44:59 <masta> +1 kittens in boxes 01:45:06 <dan408> you guys dont like cows? 01:45:21 <suehle> Sure. They're delicious. 01:45:22 <inode0> rbergeron: I think that would be nice too and there is a nice animal sanctuary there I believe. 01:45:27 <dan408> +1 suehle 01:45:31 <award3535> +1 01:45:57 <rbergeron> it's harder to take "food donations" but i think most people are willing to give out change or dollars into a ... cat box instead 01:46:00 <rbergeron> or cow box 01:46:14 <inode0> http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/NC35.html <--- maybe, I haven't researched this yet 01:46:19 <award3535> +1 the cash ideah sounds good 01:46:23 <dan408> burger donations! 01:46:41 <dramsey> Burgers and beer? :p 01:46:50 <dan408> +1 +1 01:46:59 <award3535> +2 +2 01:47:09 <rbergeron> though last year we gave out beefy miracle pins in exchange for donations 01:47:18 <suehle> Outside of the usual shelters, the closest animal things I can think of are the Raptor Center and Tiger World... Tigers are like cats. 01:47:24 <suehle> Maybe we could put one in a box. Tiger in a box! 01:47:28 <rbergeron> not sure what we'd want to do this time 01:48:18 <suehle> People. For $1200 we can adopt a tiger for a year. 01:48:25 <suehle> Or $100/month. 01:49:04 <suehle> http://www.tigerworld.us/donations.html 01:49:09 <rbergeron> So we have SELF on the list. 01:49:13 <masta> sounds like SELF is a good time 01:49:27 <rbergeron> SELF is lovely. 01:49:33 <award3535> Oh Yeah 01:49:40 * rbergeron should bring up oscon towards the end here 01:49:54 <dan408> rbergeron: did david contact you? 01:50:01 <rbergeron> dan408: yes, it's all settled 01:50:03 <inode0> .famnaticket 52 01:50:04 <zodbot> inode0: #52 (Sponsorship for Hotel at PyCon) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/52 01:50:04 <dan408> cool 01:50:23 <inode0> this is all taken care of and I guess no trip reports are coming 01:50:40 <dan408> do we beat up herlo in this part? 01:50:56 <inode0> or maybe there will be 01:50:59 <inode0> he commented 01:51:14 * inode0 is gonna close it regardless 01:51:47 <rbergeron> yeah, herlo ususally does well about getting them done eventually 01:52:11 <inode0> .famnaticket 50 01:52:12 <zodbot> inode0: #50 (LinuxFest NorthWest 2013, Apr 27-28, Bellingham, WA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/50 01:52:18 <rbergeron> updates: 01:52:23 <rbergeron> Ruth paid the $500 sponsorship 01:52:40 <rbergeron> I talked to davdunc and he's going to look for sponsorship for the admision tickets which shouldn't be much 01:52:57 <rbergeron> Adam said he'd be happy to share booth duty a bit 01:53:00 <rbergeron> t all i have. 01:53:12 <rbergeron> once i have a $ on the admission tickets I'll add that to the budget. 01:53:42 <rbergeron> EOF 01:53:52 <inode0> ok 01:53:59 <inode0> #topic Open Floor 01:54:04 <inode0> rbergeron: OSCON? 01:54:56 <rbergeron> so: the call for "free ommunity area tables" is up 01:55:28 <rbergeron> last year we got dissed on it, and then they came back around later 01:56:13 <rbergeron> but in the interim we found cashola to do a booth internally. which had more than the 4 square feet of space. 01:56:28 <rbergeron> so I guess food for thought for the moment. i don't know who all might be intending to go this year. 01:56:42 <rbergeron> markdude was the one who pinged me about the booths and... 01:57:11 <rbergeron> the historical perspective of oscon and getting reports has not been amazing :) 01:57:17 <dan408> im cool off oscon 01:57:23 <dan408> i got a job 01:58:07 <dan408> im sure he'd be happy to go 01:58:08 * inode0 thinks oscon was a disaster from his ambassador perspective last year 01:58:33 <masta> how could we improve? 01:58:36 <dan408> why was it a disaster 01:58:38 <award3535> I agree from what I saw on this end 01:58:45 <inode0> Has anyone heard in the past 10 months from anyone we funded last year? 01:59:27 <rbergeron> (echo, echo, echo) 01:59:35 * dan408 yawns 01:59:35 <masta> well that is a sad situation if I get the implication 01:59:43 <rbergeron> I think suehle heard from some of them :) 02:00:24 <masta> do we still have any incentive to be at oscon then? 02:00:24 <inode0> well, unless ambassadors I know of are interested I'm happy leaving oscon to Red Hat 02:00:31 <rbergeron> mostly regarding reimbursements about 9 months after the fact 02:01:04 <rbergeron> actually, I think i might make a slight correction: sarah white went and took pictures and whatnot and we've heard from her 02:01:24 <masta> indeed 02:01:33 <dan408> i think we should drop it 02:01:34 <inode0> yeah, we heard of her before oscon too though 02:01:50 <rbergeron> I'm happy to have other dependable folks along though :) 02:02:18 <dan408> rbergeron: i'd be down if it wasn't during an entire work week and on a weekend 02:02:21 <inode0> I'm ok with helping someone if they are someone we know and are confident would represent us well. 02:02:27 <dan408> ...and it was local 02:02:31 <dan408> and/or* 02:02:33 <award3535> Too Far for me would love to go, but I have the Indiana LF to attend thats right after 02:02:35 <rbergeron> yeah, the week-long thing sucks. 02:02:39 <rbergeron> work-week part. 02:02:46 <dan408> right 02:02:49 <suehle> I'll be there, and I think spot's planning to go again. 02:02:54 <dan408> i was able to help for pycon because im local 02:03:05 * dan408 also notes he helped for free 02:03:21 * inode0 has been to a couple oscons and really doesn't see it as a great event for Fedora, others disagree and that is ok 02:03:41 <dan408> i think it's a waste 02:03:46 <dan408> unless they are giving us free books 02:04:08 <award3535> looks like we should scratch it 02:04:40 * inode0 would much rather send Fedora to FreedomFest :) 02:04:47 <rbergeron> i think it has reasonable value, even if not a great recruiting venue; i think there's also an element of "why the hell aren't they here" 02:04:52 <rbergeron> inode0: is that actually happening this year? 02:04:59 <inode0> it happens every year 02:05:03 <rbergeron> i seem to recall that it was going to happen last year, and then didn't, or someting like that 02:05:04 <suehle> definitely that second part--I think at an event that size, it looks bad if we're not 02:05:15 <dan408> ill find a good silicon valley event and propose it 02:05:26 <dan408> i cant believe there is nothing here that's worth it 02:05:52 <masta> yea... that is the thing with oscon, it's big enough that it's weird if we don't go 02:05:52 <dan408> pycon was massive 02:05:57 <dan408> had i media 02:06:09 <dan408> i could have given fedora media to every attendee of pycon in 5 minutes 02:06:21 <suehle> Um. We had several cases of media at PyCon. We gave it to everybody who walked by. 02:06:34 <rbergeron> dan408: i am looking at velocity a bit 02:06:34 <dan408> well 02:06:40 <dan408> none of it was shipped to me suehle 02:06:54 <inode0> it was sent to toshio 02:07:13 <dan408> right 02:07:19 <dan408> and then i went to the hospital. 02:07:32 * rbergeron is confused, but okay 02:07:34 <suehle> For PyCon, I shipped media directly to the booth. 02:07:37 <dan408> right. 02:07:42 <dan408> anyways 02:07:48 <inode0> pycon is over and done with and isn't related to oscon 02:08:26 * inode0 leaves the door open 02:08:34 <award3535> I am going to punch out, see you all next week..... 02:08:50 <suehle> I think we should do it. It's a free booth. Several of us will be there anyway. And it's weird if we don't. 02:09:19 <inode0> As I said, I'm comfortable having Red Hat folks who go anyway share the Fedora love. 02:09:41 <inode0> If someone else wants to go let us know. 02:10:32 * dan408 is done 02:10:43 <inode0> graphite6 perhaps? 02:11:01 <inode0> She is over there too :) 02:11:43 <inode0> Ok, I sense the tank is close to empty for tonight. 02:12:14 <inode0> Thanks everyone and please think about what we want to do with respect to the budget in the short term (next 6 weeks or so). 02:12:29 <inode0> #endmeeting