20:02:37 <cwickert> #startmeeting EMEA Ambassadors 2012-03-07
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20:02:45 <cwickert> #meeting name EMEA Ambassadors
20:02:50 <cwickert> #meetingname EMEA Ambassadors
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20:02:55 <cwickert> #topic Roll call
20:03:01 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
20:03:02 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
20:03:08 <zoltanh721> .fas zoltanh721
20:03:09 <zodbot> zoltanh721: zoltanh721 'Hoppár Zoltán' <hopparz@gmail.com>
20:03:32 <acaleechurn> .fas acaleechurn
20:03:32 <zodbot> acaleechurn: acaleechurn 'Amit Caleechurn' <acaleechurn@gmail.com>
20:04:24 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
20:04:25 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
20:04:34 * cwickert pings more people
20:05:27 <RGeri77> .fas rgeri77
20:05:28 <zodbot> RGeri77: rgeri77 'Rákosi Gergely' <rakosi.gergely@gmail.com>
20:05:51 * cwickert waits 3 more minutes...
20:06:44 <delhage> .fas delhage
20:06:45 <zodbot> delhage: delhage 'Lars Delhage' <delhage@gmail.com>
20:06:49 <thunderbirdtr> .fas thunderbirdtr
20:06:49 <zodbot> thunderbirdtr: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' <thunderbirdtr@gmail.com>
20:07:05 * thunderbirdtr sorry for late.
20:08:13 <cwickert> ok, lets start
20:08:30 <cwickert> ping shaiton
20:08:36 <shaiton> pong
20:08:58 <shaiton> cwickert, the Pinglists is there…
20:09:16 <cwickert> shaiton: ?
20:09:46 <shaiton> cwickert, http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=supybot-pinglists.git;a=blob;f=README
20:11:26 <cwickert> shaiton: how does one actually use this?
20:11:42 <dmaphy> .fas dmaphy
20:11:43 <zodbot> dmaphy: dmaphy 'Dominic Hopf' <dmaphy@googlemail.com>
20:11:46 <shaiton> .PingLists doping emea_amba1 EMEA meeting now
20:11:50 <shaiton> like that :)
20:11:57 <shaiton> .PingLists doping emea_amba2 EMEA meeting now
20:12:25 <cwickert> hold on
20:12:32 <cwickert> some questions
20:12:38 <cwickert> 1. where is this documented?
20:12:49 <cwickert> 2. was this ever announced?
20:12:55 <shaiton> cwickert, http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=supybot-pinglists.git;a=blob;f=README
20:13:19 <cwickert> if you want it to be used, it needs to be in the wiki
20:13:22 <gnokii> shaiton: a readme u have to find before u can read it ^^
20:13:25 <shaiton> cwickert, discussed and announced in 2011, by me here and the mailing list
20:13:35 <cwickert> where?
20:13:45 <cwickert> I did not know this thing ever existed
20:13:59 <shaiton> EMEA meeting, with you, Amba ML, with you, zoltanh721…
20:14:02 <cwickert> we did discuss it, true, but did you ever say it's finished?
20:14:15 <delhage> I heard about doing something like it but I didn't know it was finished
20:14:17 <shaiton> You really want me to give you the archive link cwickert ?
20:14:51 <cwickert> yes I do
20:15:06 <cwickert> and I want it to be in the wiki
20:15:39 * delhage digs up the link
20:15:48 <shaiton> I would love to add it on the single meeting page :)
20:16:08 <cwickert> that's another thing I'd like to talk about
20:16:18 <cwickert> but let's first follow the agenda
20:16:34 <cwickert> the agenda for today can be found at
20:16:35 <cwickert> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2012-03-07
20:16:38 <delhage> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2011-November/018459.html
20:17:11 <cwickert> delhage: but that does not say it was finished
20:17:14 <shaiton> ?
20:17:36 <delhage> cwickert: true
20:17:36 <cwickert> shaiton: I thought it would get it's info directly from FAS rather then from a static list?!
20:17:49 <shaiton> cwickert, please check http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2011-November/018459.html thread
20:18:07 <cwickert> shaiton: I DID read that thread
20:18:11 <shaiton> cwickert, that could do, but it does not…
20:18:25 <t2hot> meeting?
20:18:36 <dmaphy> t2hot, yep
20:18:38 <zoltanh721> t2hot - yes
20:18:39 <cwickert> shaiton: ok, then please give us a brief introduction what it actually does and how to use is
20:18:40 <cwickert> it
20:18:48 <cwickert> t2hot: look at the subject ;)
20:18:55 <shaiton> that's all written in the readme…
20:19:10 <shaiton> cwickert, please set me this action
20:19:13 <gnokii> cwickert: shaiton can we do this later?
20:19:16 <t2hot> .fas t2hot
20:19:17 <zodbot> t2hot: twohot 'Onyeibo Oku' <twohotis@gmail.com>
20:19:19 <shaiton> ;)
20:19:32 <cwickert> gnokii: I consider it important
20:19:39 <cwickert> we have a tool and nobody knows how to use it
20:19:57 <cwickert> so the announcements section would be the perfect time to change this
20:20:08 <cwickert> shaiton: where does it get the names from?
20:20:28 <shaiton> cwickert, you set the list using Pinlists commands
20:20:35 <cwickert> ok,
20:20:38 <shaiton> I've set that from the wiki page (from the fas)
20:20:40 <cwickert> then lets skip this
20:20:52 <cwickert> again, I don't get it
20:20:55 <cwickert> and so do others
20:21:04 <cwickert> but I don't want to delay the meeting any further
20:21:15 <cwickert> #topic Announcements
20:21:18 <shaiton> cwickert, set me the action, I would introduce that by email
20:21:19 <cwickert> any announcements?
20:21:48 <cwickert> #action shaiton to announce pinglists on ambassadors list and document it in the wiki
20:22:09 <cwickert> no announcements?
20:22:37 <zoltanh721> !
20:22:49 <cwickert> speak up zoltanh721
20:23:09 <zoltanh721> I have made the hu translation of the freemedia mailer sleeve
20:23:29 <zoltanh721> it's getting redyí
20:23:37 <zoltanh721> ready shortly
20:23:55 <cwickert> ?
20:24:13 <zoltanh721> it will have an client prog too  -made by FranciscoD
20:24:34 <cwickert> zoltanh721: I am afraid people have no idea what you are talking about
20:24:51 <zoltanh721> http://dodoincfedora.wordpress.com/2012/02/16/fedora-freemedia-tool-version-0-2alpha/
20:24:52 <cwickert> at least I don't know what the free media mailer sleeve is
20:24:57 <cwickert> or a client program
20:25:24 <zoltanh721> it's an printable sleeve for freemedia
20:25:49 <cwickert> ok
20:25:55 <zoltanh721> http://dodoincfedora.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/freemediaenvelope7949.png
20:26:01 <cwickert> and what does this mean for the ambassadors?
20:26:12 <zoltanh721> will be ready soon
20:26:26 <zoltanh721> and will be announced
20:26:30 <zoltanh721> later
20:26:32 <zoltanh721> EOF
20:26:51 <cwickert> #action zoltanh721 to announce the ffm tool once it is ready
20:27:00 <cwickert> ok, anything more on this?
20:27:19 <cwickert> no, fine
20:27:25 <cwickert> #topic Ambassadors Schedule
20:27:30 <cwickert> http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-ambassadors-tasks.html
20:27:56 <cwickert> as you can see we are getting ready for F17
20:28:07 <cwickert> we now have to think about media and swag
20:28:39 <cwickert> any suggestions where to start?
20:28:52 <cwickert> I think media is easy, I am more into swag
20:29:07 <zoltanh721> !
20:29:15 <cwickert> #action cwickert to file a ticket to get the media budget approved
20:29:23 <cwickert> zoltanh721: go ahead
20:29:32 <zoltanh721> I think media can be done - go on with swag
20:29:35 <zoltanh721> EOF
20:30:50 <inode0> !
20:31:14 <cwickert> inode0: go ahead
20:31:25 <cwickert> or hold on
20:31:48 <cwickert> zoltanh721: I'm sorry, I don't get your point
20:32:45 <frankice> Hi t2hot
20:33:01 <zoltanh721> cwickert: nevermind. skip it
20:33:19 <cwickert> ok
20:33:21 <cwickert> inode0: your turn
20:33:25 <inode0> Perhaps this isn't a good time to discuss this but we have considered the possibility of doing some giant swag orders and distributing the swag via FUDCons - if there is any interest in that let's talk later about it maybe.
20:33:42 <cwickert> inode0: ok, good idea
20:33:48 <cwickert> back to schedule
20:33:51 <cwickert> suggestions?
20:34:10 <cwickert> or questions
20:34:14 <cwickert> or whatever
20:34:24 <frankice> Please can someone cue me in?
20:34:36 * shaiton has to leave for a (short?) while, return asap
20:34:55 <cwickert> frankice: we are talking about the ambassadors schedule which can be found at http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-ambassadors-tasks.html
20:35:10 <cwickert> the schedule mentions that we are about to start with media and swag production
20:35:16 <cwickert> and I want to hear ideas
20:35:38 <cwickert> alright, who is still here? everybody asleep except zoltanh721 and frankice?
20:35:46 <frankice> fas frankice
20:35:58 <cwickert> it's
20:36:03 <cwickert> .fas frankice
20:36:03 <zodbot> cwickert: frankice 'Franklin Odoemenam' <frankpeter2010@yahoo.com>
20:36:18 <RGeri77> no, we are here, now i just check schedule....
20:37:11 <zoltanh721> !
20:37:17 <cwickert> zoltanh721: go ahead
20:37:54 <frankice> .fas frankice
20:37:55 <zoltanh721> I think it's good time to talk with design team - to have an set of artwork in good size, and right filr format
20:37:55 <zodbot> frankice: frankice 'Franklin Odoemenam' <frankpeter2010@yahoo.com>
20:38:03 <zoltanh721> filr/file
20:38:32 <zoltanh721> in most cases the files are produced in US format
20:38:43 <RGeri77> yeah, we need artwork in poster quality
20:39:29 <zoltanh721> one week till the design team date - so I suggest to make an open discussion with the team
20:39:32 <zoltanh721> EOF
20:39:41 <cwickert> ?
20:39:50 <cwickert> what design team date?
20:40:07 <gnokii> ?
20:40:10 <RGeri77> discussion with design team
20:40:11 <zoltanh721> 12-03-19
20:40:21 <zoltanh721> it's in the schedule
20:40:32 <cwickert> zoltanh721: I did not ask for the WHEN but for the WHAT
20:40:39 <cwickert> what is on this date?
20:41:22 <t2hot> !
20:41:38 <zoltanh721> FAmSCo Coordinate Media/Swag/Poster artwork with Design team
20:41:44 <cwickert> argh
20:41:44 <delhage> !
20:42:42 <cwickert> ok, lets try to get this straight
20:43:28 <cwickert> FAmSCo is supposed to coordinate with the design team till 2012-03-19
20:43:46 <cwickert> but in order to do this we need to know what designs the ambassadors want
20:43:56 <cwickert> and this why I am asking you for your ideas
20:44:13 <cwickert> RGeri77 already said we need poster size artwork
20:44:33 <cwickert> RGeri77: what exactly is missing from your POV?
20:44:33 <gnokii> cwickert: what design or what material?
20:45:06 <cwickert> gnokii: we have 3 people in the queue now, can we please follow the meeting guidelines?
20:46:12 <cwickert> RGeri77: still there?
20:46:28 <RGeri77> yes,
20:46:56 <RGeri77> i think about bigger posters, like 2m x 1,80m
20:47:08 <cwickert> ok, noted
20:47:25 <cwickert> #info we need bigger posters, say 2m x 1,8m
20:47:26 <RGeri77> and sometimes we need bigger, to bigger events :-)
20:47:52 <cwickert> RGeri77: wouldn't SVG do? you can scale them up as you like
20:48:04 <gnokii> !
20:48:12 <frankice> �?
20:48:31 <RGeri77> one more question. can we modify the english words to hungarian in the posters ? like (freedom,friends,freedom,firsts to hungarian)
20:49:36 <cwickert> RGeri77: good question, we need to discuss this with the design team and marketing. it's kind of an official slogan, not sure if we could/should translate it
20:49:45 <inode0> !
20:49:51 <RGeri77> cwickert: thanks
20:50:01 <cwickert> #info Can we localize slogans like "Freedom, Features, Friends, First"?
20:50:18 <t2hot> !
20:50:18 <RGeri77> and i will ask printing-office about SVG
20:50:25 <cwickert> ok, gnokii's turn
20:50:31 <cwickert> RGeri77: are you done?
20:50:38 <RGeri77> yes thanks
20:50:42 <RGeri77> EOF
20:50:46 <RGeri77> or what
20:50:57 <gnokii> RGeri77: could u pleas not mix ur, event box needs with artwork for f17 release?
20:51:27 <gnokii> then translation is already asked, ian had no problem with
20:51:45 <cwickert> gnokii: could you please speak proper english or use a client that will do autocompletion? ;)
20:52:44 <gnokii> I dont know posters with "say 2m x 1,8" I know poster sizes A0 or A1 ;)
20:53:11 <gnokii> eof
20:53:14 <cwickert> ok
20:53:41 <cwickert> delhage: your turn
20:54:10 <cwickert> and after that frankice is up
20:54:25 <delhage> no new idea, but I really like the usb-sticks
20:54:32 <cwickert> you can already start typing, so we don't loose to much time
20:54:42 <cwickert> delhage: the problem with USB sticks is the price
20:54:44 <delhage> preloaded with a live image or loaded at the event
20:54:50 <delhage> yeah
20:55:12 <delhage> but they are very popular and a good way to actually get fedora out there
20:55:14 <cwickert> spot: did you talk to the legal folks about enabling us to sell swag?
20:55:18 <frankice> I want to get a clear picture of what the swag is like
20:55:33 <cwickert> frankice: please wait until delhage is EOF
20:55:34 <delhage> eof
20:55:37 <cwickert> haha
20:55:40 <delhage> :)
20:56:09 <cwickert> frankice: swag can be shirts, media, usb sticks, pens, stickers, whatever you want
20:56:16 <cwickert> and this is why I ask for ideas
20:56:23 <cwickert> does that answer your question?
20:56:58 <zoltanh721> !
20:56:59 <cwickert> the general problem with swag is that we cannot produce expensive stuff because we have to give everything away for free
20:57:02 <frankice> I Just want to get a clear picture of what the swag is all about
20:57:03 <RGeri77> i think usb sticks is a good id, but because the price, its only low amounts
20:57:10 <cwickert> because we cannot make money
20:57:19 <cwickert> I mean, we have no way that people pay us
20:57:35 <cwickert> frankice: yes, do you have a clear picture now?
20:57:44 <frankice> Yeah�
20:57:55 <frankice> �EOF
20:58:15 <cwickert> well, are you EOF or is it still unclear?
20:58:33 <cwickert> frankice: what kind of swag would you like? do you have an idea?
20:58:54 <affix> hey
20:59:01 <affix> Sorry I've not been around
20:59:08 <frankice> I would sugest usb
20:59:41 <affix> frankice: we have thought about USB before
20:59:46 <cwickert> ok
21:00:09 <cwickert> zoltanh721: your turn
21:00:12 <zoltanh721> Can we have an set of stickers about the spins? I also think to have pins - people love pins
21:00:18 <zoltanh721> EOF
21:00:39 <cwickert> zoltanh721: why do you always ask?
21:00:45 <cwickert> I want you to say what you need
21:00:48 <t2hot> I'll go with T-shirts and pens
21:00:49 <frankice> !
21:00:53 <cwickert> guys
21:01:09 <cwickert> t2hot: please follow the meeting protocol, thanks
21:01:11 * t2hot cwickert needs to know that frankice is on mobile and the keyboard is not qwerty
21:01:23 <affix> cwickert: I will be needing some F17 DVDs soon
21:01:31 <cwickert> guys
21:01:36 <cwickert> this does not work
21:01:44 <cwickert> please follow the meeting protocol
21:02:03 <cwickert> zoltanh721: just say "I would like to see a set of stickers of the different spins" instead of asking
21:02:17 <cwickert> ok, next up was frankice
21:02:27 <zoltanh721> cwickert: ok, sry
21:02:56 <frankice> I sugest wrist-bands
21:03:39 <cwickert> ok, thanks frankice
21:03:43 <frankice> That has fedora branded on it
21:04:11 <cwickert> EOF?
21:04:15 <frankice> EOF
21:04:17 <RGeri77> maybe baloons will be a good choice, because kids, and of cource the parents
21:04:38 <cwickert> t2hot: shirts and pens, anything else?
21:04:43 <RGeri77> ballons with Fedora logos
21:05:20 <t2hot> please pardon slow reponse and typos, cant see here (just lost power)
21:05:22 <frankice> �!
21:05:29 <t2hot> They all seem good to me
21:06:07 <t2hot> we could divide budget accross them based on percentage demand
21:07:19 <t2hot> But I think stationery us also good ... stickon pads, handbooks etc
21:07:42 <cwickert> t2hot: what handbooks?
21:07:51 <cwickert> and what are stickon pads?
21:08:33 <t2hot> hmm, how do I describe that? .... the thing were you tear and stick on PCs
21:08:52 <cwickert> you mean case badges?
21:08:55 <t2hot> for writing reminders
21:08:59 <cwickert> ah
21:09:06 <cwickert> like post-its?
21:09:14 <t2hot> yeah
21:09:20 <cwickert> ok, got it
21:09:38 <cwickert> and what handbooks? you mean written documentation or what?
21:10:21 <t2hot> and the brand stickers (logo like "intel inside") for laptops ... Fedora Inside kinda thing
21:11:11 <t2hot> Handbooks:  I meant a small booklet that introduces people to fedora OS. The basics.  zoltanh721 was working on something
21:11:35 <cwickert> ok, I consider this something different than swag
21:11:53 <cwickert> because the largest work will be the content, not the actual production
21:11:59 <t2hot> Posters:  We should have a repetoire of artwork to choose from
21:12:14 <cwickert> we have, what is missing?
21:12:22 <frankice> !
21:13:15 <t2hot> Eg.  I need something much bigger than A1, ... somthing for a Banner (collapsible).  I'll have to design one.  Shouldn't we have a bank of those?
21:13:40 <cwickert> we already discussed that before you came
21:13:50 <cwickert> we have SVG that can be scaled up
21:14:02 <t2hot> EOF for now
21:14:04 <cwickert> but RGeri77 already said he wants to see huge posters, too
21:14:08 <cwickert> ok, frankice then
21:14:33 <cwickert> #topic Swag production
21:15:23 <frankice> I think wrist bands with fedora logo branded on it should go a long way to advertice
21:16:50 <frankice> And proberbly (i use fedora) kinda stuff should be branded on it
21:17:15 <cwickert> sure
21:17:20 <cwickert> ok, more ideas?
21:17:33 <cwickert> otherwise let's stop here and collect what we have
21:17:33 <affix> cwickert: T-Shirts
21:17:46 <cwickert> affix: we had this already
21:17:47 <affix> Could be a good way to raise funds for more events
21:17:51 <cwickert> no
21:18:00 <affix> ahh I never got one :'(
21:18:06 <cwickert> I think I already mentioned that we cannot raise money
21:18:10 <jsmith> affix: There's no easy way for Fedora to accept money
21:18:21 <frankice> EOF
21:18:22 <affix> ahh jsmith gotcha
21:18:31 <cwickert> affix: the problem is: who gets the money?
21:18:41 <cwickert> we cannot give it back to Red Hat
21:18:52 <cwickert> and Fedora doesn't have a legal entity of it's own
21:18:53 <affix> cwickert: It will end up in an argument in the end
21:19:11 <cwickert> this is why we need to stick to affordable swag
21:19:23 * t2hot and we loose the NPO status
21:19:24 <cwickert> I would like to see cool stuff like baseball caps and shorts, too
21:19:37 <cwickert> but there is no way to do then if we don't sell them
21:19:50 <cwickert> or we just happen to find large chunks of money ;)
21:19:53 <zoltanh721> !
21:20:03 <cwickert> zoltanh721: go ahead
21:20:34 <zoltanh721> cwickert: can we have limited amout of such swag - as a trophy
21:20:34 <EvilBob> lose what NPO status?
21:21:31 <zoltanh721> I think on ninja programs - for volunteer contibutors that Rh gives out
21:21:34 <cwickert> t2hot: there is nothing to loose, we are no npo
21:21:35 <zoltanh721> EOF
21:21:38 <cwickert> ok
21:21:45 <cwickert> then lets collect what we just had
21:21:45 * shaiton is back
21:21:58 <cwickert> USB keys, pins, stickers,
21:22:04 <cwickert> especially stickers for the spins
21:22:11 <cwickert> wrist-bands, balloons, note pads, post-its
21:22:18 <cwickert> did I forget anything?
21:22:19 <RGeri77> !
21:22:23 <cwickert> RGeri77: go ahead
21:22:30 <RGeri77> beer pillow :-)
21:22:32 <RGeri77> EOF
21:22:34 <cwickert> :)
21:22:41 <cwickert> nice idea
21:22:47 <cwickert> mouse pads come to my mind
21:22:53 <RGeri77> yup
21:22:54 <zoltanh721> +1
21:23:04 <thunderbirdtr> +!
21:23:06 <thunderbirdtr> +1
21:23:14 <RGeri77> but try to think about like normal people, not just IT guy
21:23:17 <t2hot> good one
21:23:41 <cwickert> info: ideas for swag so far: USB keys, pins, stickers, especially stickers for the spins, wrist-bands, balloons, note pads, post-its, beer pillows, mouse pads
21:23:44 <cwickert> #info: ideas for swag so far: USB keys, pins, stickers, especially stickers for the spins, wrist-bands, balloons, note pads, post-its, beer pillows, mouse pads
21:23:51 <cwickert> ok, I think that's enough
21:23:57 <cwickert> lets move on with the agenda
21:24:03 <shaiton> ?
21:24:24 <cwickert> #topic Events
21:24:32 <cwickert> shaiton: shoot
21:24:33 <shaiton> couldn't we fill a wiki page with swag ideas, and quote if any?
21:24:35 <shaiton> thanks
21:24:41 <shaiton> eof
21:24:41 * t2hot needs someone to clarify what NPO means in the fedora context
21:24:47 <cwickert> shaiton: yes, that was my idea
21:25:36 <cwickert> t2hot: there is no legal entity of Fedora, we are just a project sponsored by Red Hat, but we are not independent. you cannot go and open a bank account for Fedora etc
21:25:55 <cwickert> we did have an NPO in Europe
21:26:02 <cwickert> and the French have an NPO
21:26:15 <cwickert> but Fedora as a project is not one
21:26:29 <cwickert> ok, lets move on
21:26:33 <cwickert> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#EMEA-FY13Q1
21:26:55 <cwickert> the next event is IDLELO
21:27:03 <cwickert> t2hot: everything covered?
21:27:18 <t2hot> no
21:27:29 <t2hot> media stuck in Lagos
21:27:37 <cwickert> ah, right
21:27:39 <t2hot> See ticket #244
21:27:44 <cwickert> you need a letter head
21:27:48 <cwickert> there is one on the wiki
21:28:31 <t2hot> I have asked Robyn to help ... She says she will
21:28:42 <t2hot> there is?
21:28:52 <t2hot> url please?
21:29:04 <cwickert> I cannot find it atm
21:29:10 <cwickert> but I'll send it to you by mail
21:29:21 <t2hot> ok
21:29:25 <cwickert> #action cwickert to send t2hot the Fedora letterhead templace
21:29:33 <cwickert> t2hot: the stickers are on their wey
21:29:34 <cwickert> way
21:29:51 <cwickert> but these are real stickers, no case badges or so called laptop stickers
21:30:01 <t2hot> I hope they:re not intimidating
21:30:32 <t2hot> as in, size of packaging ... FedEx is really giving me a scare
21:31:08 <cwickert> no, shouldn't be a problem
21:31:23 <t2hot> EOF
21:31:28 <cwickert> ok, if we need something else for IDLELO, we'll deal with it in the ticket
21:31:36 <cwickert> then we have CLT coming up
21:31:37 <t2hot> sure
21:31:42 <cwickert> everything is ready
21:31:53 <cwickert> gnokii: you have the table cloth, right?
21:32:04 <frankice> ?
21:32:05 <gnokii> yes, will wash it next week again
21:32:15 <cwickert> thanks gnokii
21:32:20 <cwickert> frankice: your turn
21:33:36 <frankice> CTL... I dony understand.�;-~
21:34:03 <frankice> I dont understan.
21:34:07 <cwickert> look on the events page
21:34:12 <cwickert> it is an event in Germany
21:34:15 <frankice> K
21:34:17 <cwickert> ok
21:34:23 <frankice> EOF
21:34:33 <cwickert> we have one event where we have a problem
21:34:44 <cwickert> it's Linuxtage Graz in Austria
21:34:50 <cwickert> we have nobody who wants to do it
21:35:00 <cwickert> and they have already listed Fedora on their website
21:35:08 <thunderbirdtr> !
21:35:31 <cwickert> #info we need somebody to make a Fedora stand at Grazer Linuxtage in Austria, April 28th
21:35:37 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: go ahead
21:35:53 <dmaphy> !
21:36:21 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, As a Fedora Are we always we have to do event on world like this ? you know first I think we need to apply to event or other things ?
21:36:53 <thunderbirdtr> eof
21:37:11 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: sorry, I don't understand your question
21:37:34 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, are we have to do event around world ?
21:37:47 <pingou> do we have to ;-)
21:37:54 <thunderbirdtr> pingou, thanks :)
21:37:55 <thunderbirdtr> eof
21:38:02 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: we don't need to do every event, but we want to
21:38:10 <cwickert> we have been at Graz in the past years, too
21:38:19 <cwickert> and this is why they thought we would come
21:38:27 <pingou> thunderbirdtr: we being the group, no a single individual ;)
21:38:44 <cwickert> #action cwickert to call for somebody to do Grazer Linuxtage on the mailing list
21:38:45 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, pingou I understand thank you both
21:38:49 <cwickert> dmaphy: your turn
21:39:39 <dmaphy> i'd actually do that with the booth in graz, but since it's a quite long way from hamburg to graz, is it possible to be funded?
21:39:41 <dmaphy> eof
21:40:51 <cwickert> dmaphy: sure, look for flights to vienna and tell us how much they are
21:41:04 <cwickert> once you know the budget, file a ticket and we'll do what we can
21:41:21 <cwickert> I am still trying to convince some Austrian folks though
21:41:30 <dmaphy> alright, will do
21:41:50 <cwickert> dmaphy: or we have somebody from Brno go over there, it's just 2-3 hours by car
21:42:06 <dmaphy> yes, of course, getting some austrian fedora people there is more senseful, but if noone is willing to, i would :)
21:42:09 <cwickert> action cwickert to call for LinuxTag Berlin
21:42:15 <cwickert> thanks dmaphy
21:42:36 <cwickert> ok, I am afraid we are running out of time
21:42:46 <cwickert> because the next topic is really important
21:42:47 <dmaphy> can you let me know in the latter case? ;)
21:43:01 <cwickert> dmaphy: file a ticket regardless
21:43:03 <cwickert> and ASAP
21:43:07 <cwickert> ok?
21:43:11 <dmaphy> yep
21:43:14 <cwickert> ok
21:43:34 <cwickert> #topic FUDCon EMEA 2012 Bids
21:43:45 <cwickert> alright, we have 3 bids
21:44:05 <cwickert> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:EMEA_2012_Bid_Budapest
21:44:10 <cwickert> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Paris_2012
21:44:14 <cwickert> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Zurich_2012
21:44:24 <cwickert> and we should make a decision ASAP
21:44:47 * t2hot needs to leave, 7% battery charge .... gtg
21:44:48 <cwickert> shaiton, zoltanh721: your turn
21:45:09 <shaiton> ?
21:45:38 <zoltanh721> shaiton be the first
21:45:47 <shaiton> For the Paris bid, we are waiting for the approval of using the Auditorium, we changed to have last tow days alone on an other venue
21:46:08 <shaiton> I had many accomodation quotes, like 81€/day for a twin
21:46:21 <shaiton> but won't be valid too long
21:46:27 <cwickert> how long?
21:46:49 <shaiton> february for some, mid march other… I'll have to call them again
21:46:56 <cwickert> ok
21:47:02 <shaiton> best would be to have a deadline for the vote
21:47:07 <cwickert> any questions for shaiton?
21:47:23 <cwickert> so I have a question
21:47:34 <cwickert> what about the other event?
21:48:05 <shaiton> ok, we have defined the first FUDCon day during the last Open World Forum one
21:48:08 <shaiton> on the same venue
21:48:15 <cwickert> hold on
21:48:22 <shaiton> ?
21:48:24 <cwickert> first day is Friday?
21:48:31 <shaiton> Saturday now
21:48:36 <shaiton> till Monday
21:48:37 <cwickert> that does not work
21:48:45 <shaiton> why ?
21:48:53 <cwickert> because of work
21:48:59 <cwickert> people do have jobs
21:49:04 <shaiton> same for Friday
21:49:11 <shaiton> No prob at all for the Monday
21:49:14 <pingou> friday, saturday, sunday vs saturday, sunday, monday
21:49:19 <cwickert> no wayx
21:49:21 <cwickert> way
21:49:24 <shaiton> We already discussed about that
21:49:40 <cwickert> Monday and Friday is a hug difference
21:49:44 <shaiton> and it was *clear* that it was not an issue
21:49:54 <shaiton> so please cwickert, don't decide for others
21:49:57 <cwickert> not an issue for whom?
21:50:19 <shaiton> discussed with several people at FOSSDEM
21:50:37 <cwickert> I can say that it is a problem for me
21:50:42 <shaiton> but I agree, it has to ponderate votes
21:50:47 <cwickert> the thing is
21:50:58 <cwickert> many people hardly work on Friday
21:51:04 <cwickert> they finish at noon
21:51:11 <cwickert> so you only miss half a day
21:51:18 <inode0> !
21:51:19 <cwickert> and on Monday, you miss a full day
21:51:33 <cwickert> and in many companies you have a meeting on Monday
21:51:40 <cwickert> to discuss the upcoming week
21:51:58 <cwickert> and a fudcon till Monday means in fact Tuesday
21:52:05 <cwickert> because people need to travel
21:52:18 <cwickert> so I really think Saturday till Monday will not work
21:52:23 <shaiton> there are already been FUDCONs till Monday, and that was appreciated
21:52:42 <pingou> maybe it would be good to have this explicitly mentionned somewhere so that people preparing a fudcon don't spend energy on something which at the end is considered as a 'no-go' for some
21:52:44 <shaiton> cwickert, one more thing
21:52:46 * cwickert doesn't recall a single fudcon till monry
21:52:53 <cwickert> Monday I mean
21:53:10 <shaiton> FUDCon till Sunday, people leave on Sunday noon…
21:53:22 <shaiton> see Zurich, Milan…
21:53:26 <shaiton> eof
21:54:03 <cwickert> shaiton: some people will always leave early, there is nothing we can do about it
21:54:20 <kaio_ph> Hi
21:54:27 <cwickert> but if people leave early on Sunday, they can at least work as usual on Monday
21:55:05 <pingou> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Archive:FUDCon:Tempe_2011
21:55:17 <pingou> ended on January 31st which was a Monday
21:56:08 <cwickert> pingou: right, and have you been to Tempe?
21:56:22 <cwickert> Monday most people were already gone
21:56:23 <pingou> cwickert: I was able to join only one fudcon so far
21:56:34 <shaiton> cwickert, not only time is money
21:56:45 <cwickert> shaiton: ?
21:57:08 <cwickert> pingou: trust me: the Monday at Tempe was not productive because most people were already gone
21:57:09 <shaiton> the plan ticket is expensive cwickert
21:57:29 <cwickert> you mean on Sunday?
21:57:40 <pingou> cwickert: I am fine with this being a rule, but knowing it in advance would spare organisers a lot of time and energy and lead to less frustration
21:57:41 <shaiton> I mean to Tempe…
21:57:48 <gnokii> !
21:57:50 <shaiton> +1 pingou
21:58:00 <RGeri77> pingou: yup, thats true most people jump on monday
21:58:04 <cwickert> pingou: there is no need to be frustrated
21:58:20 <cwickert> I agree I should have brought up this point earlier
21:58:26 * shaiton think to plan for a week next year :)
21:58:36 <cwickert> and maybe people disagree with me and don't have a problem with a Monday
21:58:39 <pingou> cwickert: well you invest time on something, you make plans, you make calls and at the end you get told "No, Mondays are no-go"
21:58:44 <pingou> I'd find this fustrating
21:58:59 <cwickert> pingou: ok, where did you discuss the Monday option?
21:59:37 <cwickert> I think we need to make a hard stop here
21:59:43 <gnokii> +1
21:59:50 <cwickert> what about a special meeting for the FUDCons?
21:59:53 <pingou> cwickert: note that I'm not part of the organizing committee, but I saw the issue being brought up at FOSDEM and heard when the solution of making it on a Monday was presented
22:00:00 <zoltanh721> +1
22:00:09 <shaiton> +1 cwickert, already proposed on the Mailing List…
22:00:18 <cwickert> pingou: this is supposed to be discussed on fudcon planning list
22:00:22 <pingou> the point you raised, were raised as well back then
22:00:55 <cwickert> yeah, but discussing this with some people on a hallway at FOSDEM does not really help
22:00:56 <cwickert> anyway
22:01:19 <cwickert> I will call for a meeting
22:01:40 <cwickert> #action cwickert to call for a FUDCon EMEA meeting
22:01:46 <cwickert> zoltanh721: one last thing
22:01:56 <cwickert> I want you to edit the wiki page for your bid
22:02:03 <cwickert> it lacks info, e.g on flights
22:02:13 <cwickert> take a look at other bid pages
22:02:38 <zoltanh721> cwickert: yes - I'll do, thre are changes too
22:02:44 <zoltanh721> I'll make it asap
22:03:07 <cwickert> zoltanh721, shaiton, pingou: would be cool if you can stay around here a little longer, because we now have a FAmSCo meeting
22:03:18 <cwickert> and we would like to discuss FUDCon, too
22:03:25 <shaiton> will be around
22:03:26 * pingou won't be able to make it :/
22:03:30 <cwickert> ok, I am now ending this meeting
22:03:38 * pingou gives the power to shaiton
22:03:53 <zoltanh721> I stay too
22:04:01 <cwickert> just for the record: there were no open action items from the previous meeting
22:04:09 <cwickert> and we skip open floor
22:04:13 <cwickert> so we are done
22:04:15 <cwickert> #endmeeting