13:21:39 <igorps> #startmeeting famsco 13:21:39 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Nov 5 13:21:39 2011 UTC. The chair is igorps. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:21:39 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:21:56 <igorps> #chair kaio, gbraad_china, yn1v 13:21:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: gbraad_china igorps kaio yn1v 13:22:05 <igorps> #topic Roll Call 13:22:10 <gbraad_china> .fas gbraad 13:22:11 <igorps> .fas igorps 13:22:11 <zodbot> gbraad_china: gbraad 'Gerard Braad (吉拉德)' <fedora@gbraad.nl> 13:22:15 <zodbot> igorps: igor 'Igor Pires Soares' <igor@projetofedora.org> 13:22:44 <igorps> yn1v, ping 13:24:11 <yn1v> .fas 13:24:11 <zodbot> yn1v: (fas <query>) -- Search the Fedora Account System usernames, full names, and email addresses for a match. 13:24:19 <igorps> ops 13:24:40 <yn1v> .fas yn1v 13:24:41 <zodbot> yn1v: yn1v 'Neville A. Cross' <neville@taygon.com> 13:25:07 <igorps> now you got it right :) 13:25:35 <igorps> #topic Chinese domain 13:25:38 <gbraad_china> if kaio can do the same, we can move on 13:25:57 <igorps> kaio, gbraad_china, updates about that? 13:26:07 <gbraad_china> not from my side 13:26:12 <kaio> .fas kaio 13:26:13 <zodbot> kaio: skaion 'skaion' <erenouf@skaion.com> - kaiomarcio 'kaio marcio' <kaio.marcio@gmail.com> - kaio 'Caius Chance (かいお)' <me@kaio.net> 13:26:25 <kaio> .fasinfo kaio 13:26:26 <zodbot> kaio: User: kaio, Name: Caius Chance (かいお), email: me@kaio.net, Creation: 2008-09-10, IRC Nick: kaio, Timezone: Australia/Brisbane, Locale: en, Extension: 5114286, GPG key ID: 17BEFCFA, Status: active 13:26:30 <zodbot> kaio: Unapproved Groups: art 13:26:31 <igorps> unfortunately I can't see the tickets 13:26:34 <zodbot> kaio: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs hgflies packager cla_redhat ambassadors l10n-commits @packager-zh famsco cvsl10n freemedia 13:26:46 <kaio> igorps, will ping jsmith-away asap 13:27:02 <gbraad_china> the domains are approved, but still some technical steps need to be taken 13:27:07 <igorps> I recall that this was granted but further actions were needed 13:27:19 <kaio> igorps, need details from infra 13:27:21 <kaio> just that 13:27:49 <igorps> #info needs further details from infra 13:28:01 <kaio> slacked progress from me by me personal issues occupied my head recently 13:28:16 <igorps> thanks, just make it clear 13:28:17 <kaio> lets move on 13:28:46 <igorps> #topic Report 13:29:17 <igorps> September report was published this week: 13:29:23 <igorps> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2011-09 13:30:00 <igorps> Joerg is attending to FUDCon Pune and updated statistics on mentoring will come on the next report 13:30:20 <igorps> which I hope to publish sooner this time 13:30:48 <igorps> A draft is available already if you guys want to add some regional news: 13:30:59 <igorps> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2011-10 13:31:33 <igorps> That's it about the report 13:31:53 <igorps> moving on 13:32:24 <igorps> #topic Wiki page about Ambassador Liaisons with other teams 13:33:05 <igorps> This is the point when we need to start finishing our tasks for this term 13:33:38 <igorps> I already set this page: 13:33:40 <igorps> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassador_liaisons 13:34:18 <igorps> but I still need to review it 13:34:24 <yn1v> I was on the readiness meeting just eager to know if there was a slip on general availability ... there was nobody from ambassadors side 13:34:50 <igorps> if you have ideas please let me know 13:35:35 <yn1v> I steeped up, but I was not ready to provide any info from ambassadors side. I think that's something to include in the tasks. 13:35:50 <igorps> +1 13:36:17 <igorps> but this is something for the next term 13:36:46 <yn1v> yes 13:36:56 <igorps> the next FAmSCo will have the challenge to follow the schedule 13:37:04 <igorps> better that we did 13:37:09 <igorps> than* 13:37:11 <gbraad_china> i do hope they will 13:37:21 <gbraad_china> for us it was mostly missing members 13:37:39 <yn1v> just thinking that may be useful to write that on that wiki 13:37:58 <igorps> yn1v, I will add that to the page 13:38:19 <igorps> #idea Add readiness meeting task 13:38:49 <igorps> can we move to the next topic? 13:39:02 <yn1v> better release activities... including release party and readiness 13:39:29 <yn1v> that may go to remember art team to make nice posters 13:39:44 <yn1v> and request resources. 13:40:51 <igorps> that last part is already there 13:41:20 <igorps> but needs to be more specific 13:42:07 <igorps> ok, moving on 13:42:31 <igorps> #topic FUDCon LATAM recommendation 13:42:41 <igorps> this was done last meeting 13:43:19 <igorps> an email was sent to fudcon-planning ml in order to communicate our recommendation 13:43:48 <gbraad_china> ok 13:43:54 <igorps> and was also discussed in our last regional meeting 13:45:02 <igorps> yn1v, would you like to add something here? 13:45:53 <yn1v> nothing new 13:46:25 <igorps> so let's move to the next one 13:46:39 <igorps> #topic Community credit card process 13:46:49 <igorps> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jsimon/draft_community_credit_card_process 13:47:34 <igorps> IMHO it might be a good idea to take this to the financial SIG as well 13:48:16 <gbraad_china> this process need to have input for APAC, but at the moment it is not considered as a process for China 13:48:30 <igorps> having famsco members there to have a better grasp of the budget 13:48:35 <yn1v> yes, but I am not sure what is the real status of the financial sig 13:50:10 <yn1v> The current status has been a big step forward. Everybody knew before it was made, that credit cards will not solve all problems. 13:50:45 <igorps> A couple meeting ago we gave some ideas about that, we need to get the credit card holders together to finish this 13:50:52 <yn1v> The agreement was that was better to help now and keep looking for solutions for the cases that this will not help 13:51:05 <igorps> yn1v, +1. It was a great step forward. 13:51:49 <gbraad_china> for the new famsco, I really want them to work on an APAC process 13:51:51 <igorps> yn1v, listing those alternative methods should help as well 13:52:02 <yn1v> I think that Harish taking over, has set some new pressure to keep things moving. 13:53:46 <igorps> This was one of the best things of the current term 13:54:11 <igorps> things started to move forward again on the budget side 13:54:42 <igorps> I guess we can move to the tickets now 13:55:03 <igorps> so we keep it moving :) 13:55:05 * kaio think reimbursement is the foundation of ambassadors team 13:55:24 <igorps> #topic Tickets 13:55:37 <igorps> Any particular ticket folks? 13:55:38 <gbraad_china> still waiting for my reimbursement for FAD. because of the amount and the organizers it was needed to et the money first 13:55:52 <gbraad_china> however, still waiting for Harish 13:56:22 <igorps> I have two waiting for reimbursement: 13:56:28 <igorps> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/228 13:56:34 <igorps> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/220 13:57:00 <gbraad_china> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/222 13:58:00 <yn1v> I think we can solve #220 and #228 13:58:30 <igorps> yn1v, you can deal with them together to make things easier 13:58:44 <yn1v> yes 13:59:57 <kaio> gbraad_china, sorry to say but you need to send reminder 13:59:57 <igorps> tickets for F16 media are started to get filed 14:00:03 <igorps> this is good 14:00:11 <igorps> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/218 (EMEA) 14:01:12 <igorps> kaio, what about this one? 14:01:17 <igorps> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/205 14:01:59 <igorps> It looks like Harish needs an answer to proceed 14:02:06 <gbraad_china> kaio: I just did 14:02:34 * kaio looks 14:04:09 * kaio commented 14:04:15 <igorps> yn1v, can I close this? https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/128 14:04:23 <igorps> thanks, kaio 14:04:27 <gbraad_china> ok, thanks. harish has been notified to look into it again 14:04:28 <kaio> igorps, welcome 14:06:32 <igorps> Any tickets more, folks? 14:06:32 <kaio> more? 14:07:44 <yn1v> I don't see any problem with 205... just need to remind Harish to reimburse. He can use some other methods that can not be done by credit card holders 14:09:00 <yn1v> yes, I think #128 did as much as it can, now is old .... no point in keeping it alive. beside is not related to budget 14:09:27 <igorps> yn1v, I will close it then 14:10:31 <igorps> I'll get in touch with yn1v post meeting in order to proceed with the transactions. Please keep in touch with Harish and others to keep things moving as well. 14:11:18 <igorps> Anything else? 14:12:23 <igorps> I'm going to end the meeting in one minute if there is nothing else. 14:12:46 <gbraad_china> nope 14:13:06 <yn1v> I want to express concer about the challenging on famsco nominations. 14:13:44 <yn1v> I was looking on mailing list, and all traffic was private sent to all current famsco members. 14:14:09 <igorps> I hope we get more nominations today 14:14:46 <gbraad_china> challengging? 14:14:46 <yn1v> I hope so. 14:15:00 <igorps> yn1v, I got that email. 14:15:20 <yn1v> there was one email saying that one of the candidates was not suitable 14:15:53 <yn1v> requesting to him to drop his nomination. 14:15:57 <igorps> Exactly, but it needs further information 14:17:00 <igorps> I really don't know the regional context there and I'm not sure if the current FAmSCo should take action on that 14:17:13 <igorps> Probably this is more suitable to the board 14:17:20 <kaio> ++ 14:17:24 <gbraad_china> - 14:17:25 <yn1v> My view is that they have conflicts on a local level, work style ... some trying to get things done, some trying to things properly 14:17:40 <gbraad_china> FAmSCo still has this role as they are ambassadors 14:17:45 <kaio> that conflicts seem happened on last election 14:18:12 <kaio> when joerg dropped himself from election 14:18:27 <kaio> s/conflict/similar conflict/ 14:19:30 <igorps> gbraad_china, I mean that it's not a good idea to have the current term members taking action about something specific related to the next term 14:19:31 <yn1v> I also think that some people have problem to grasp the "flatness" of Fedora 14:20:34 <igorps> Those things unfortunately happen from time to time 14:20:43 <gbraad_china> yn1v: +1 14:21:22 <igorps> but they are natural to happen in a big community 14:22:29 <igorps> I think we should reply directly to that thread, also CCing board members 14:22:32 * kaio wants mediation happen in next term when conflicts started 14:23:18 <igorps> kaio +1 :) 14:23:27 <yn1v> The problem is that the conflict revolves around election... next term will be late 14:23:52 <kaio> yes 14:24:04 <igorps> yn1v, but I'm not saying to delay the action 14:24:19 <igorps> just to involve the board into this 14:24:25 <kaio> I am referring to general situations. 14:24:29 <VileGent> ? 14:25:31 <igorps> whatever needs to be done needs to be done with legitimacy. 14:25:53 <yn1v> I feel like writing: "if anybody feels better qualified, then self nominate and let voters decide" later make a statement about "horizontallity" 14:26:25 <igorps> yn1v, +1 14:26:50 <igorps> I think that democracy pretty much solve this 14:26:56 <VileGent> ? 14:27:21 <yn1v> VileGent, want to say something ? 14:27:34 <VileGent> is the candidate in question listed in FAS as a member of the ambassadors group? 14:28:07 <yn1v> good question... have to search for the anwser 14:28:47 <yn1v> .fasinfo bckurera 14:28:47 <zodbot> yn1v: User: bckurera, Name: Buddhika Kurera, email: bckurera@gmail.com, Creation: 2010-05-03, IRC Nick: bckurera, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, Extension: 5147152, GPG key ID: , Status: active 14:28:51 <zodbot> yn1v: Unapproved Groups: magazine 14:28:56 <zodbot> yn1v: Approved Groups: marketing cla_fedora cla_done freemedia ambassadors cla_fpca 14:29:08 <gbraad_china> he is 14:29:09 <VileGent> then they are qualified to run 14:30:00 <yn1v> VileGent, you have look from other side, and strength my feelings about the situation 14:30:44 <igorps> Unfortunately it's not that simple 14:30:54 <VileGent> why isnt it 14:31:00 <igorps> it's a more subtle situation 14:31:21 <VileGent> the vote will decide 14:31:35 <igorps> there are opinions from other regional ambassadors involved 14:31:47 <VileGent> then they can run as well 14:31:53 <igorps> I agree we should not prevent anyone from running 14:32:02 <igorps> and voting will decide 14:32:41 <igorps> but we need to take a position on that 14:32:41 <VileGent> the only quailifcation to run is be a member of the ambassaodors group am I correct 14:32:49 <igorps> to properly communicate the position of the current FAmSCo 14:33:43 <yn1v> my view is that they are looking as a chain of command when fedora is more like a open forum 14:34:18 <igorps> VileGent, I got your point and I agree. The discussion is how we deal and communicate it. 14:35:06 <igorps> yn1v, I think that your idea of statement is pretty clear 14:35:28 <igorps> could you reply to that thread? 14:36:16 <yn1v> yes, I will do so 14:36:25 <gbraad_china> thanks 14:36:53 <igorps> And please CC board members so they know what's going on 14:37:01 <yn1v> okey 14:37:02 <gbraad_china> +1 14:37:15 <igorps> good! 14:37:28 <gbraad_china> I have deviced to include myself on the list of possible candidates 14:37:45 <yn1v> great! 14:37:48 <igorps> gbraad_china, really nice! 14:38:24 <igorps> It was an excellent meeting, folks 14:38:45 <igorps> thanks for attending 14:38:52 <igorps> #endmeeting