20:02:01 <cwickert> #startmeeting EMEA Ambassadors 2011-10-05
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20:02:02 <giallu> yo
20:02:10 <cwickert> #meetingname EMEA Ambassadors 2011-10-05
20:02:10 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'emea_ambassadors_2011-10-05'
20:03:00 <cwickert> #topic role call
20:03:05 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
20:03:06 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
20:03:13 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
20:03:13 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
20:03:13 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
20:03:17 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
20:03:18 <ib54003> .fas ib54003
20:03:25 <zodbot> ib54003: ib54003 'Benedikt Schäfer' <benedikt@schaefer-flieden.de>
20:03:46 <shaiton> Kévin Raymond
20:04:57 <cwickert> alright, let's start
20:05:12 <cwickert> #topic Announcements
20:05:21 <giallu> .fas giallu
20:05:24 <zodbot> giallu: giallu 'Gianluca Sforna' <giallu@gmail.com>
20:06:03 <cwickert> I'd like to thank everybody who helped to make the FUDCon in Milan a great event
20:06:19 <cwickert> especially Francesco did a great job
20:06:25 <giallu> +1
20:06:30 <shaiton> +1
20:06:32 <sesivany> +1
20:06:38 <cwickert> many thanks to all the volunteers and also to the sponsors ByteCode and Red Hat
20:07:05 <cwickert> any more announcements?
20:07:26 <nDimensional> .fas misaakidis
20:07:27 <zodbot> nDimensional: misaakidis '' <misaakidis@yahoo.gr>
20:07:32 <arthurbuliva> .fas arthurbuliva
20:07:33 <zodbot> arthurbuliva: arthurbuliva 'Arthur Buliva' <arthurbuliva@gmail.com>
20:07:44 <biertie> .fas biertie
20:07:44 <zodbot> biertie: biertie 'Bert Desmet' <bert@devnox.be>
20:07:59 <cwickert> ok guys, thanks for coming everybody
20:08:04 <giallu> :)
20:08:14 <cwickert> I can't recall having so many people in here
20:08:52 <shaiton> FUDCon effect?
20:09:13 <cwickert> #info No more ambassadors polos in EMEA left but we are going to place a new order soon
20:09:30 <cwickert> alright, I think that's all...
20:09:44 <giallu> cwickert, about that, what's with the color of the last batch? it did not seem quite right
20:09:45 <cwickert> the agenda for this weeks meeting can be found at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2011-10-05
20:10:03 <cwickert> giallu: in fact it was right, the previous ones were wrong
20:10:09 <delhage> .fas delhage
20:10:10 <zodbot> delhage: delhage 'Lars Delhage' <delhage@gmail.com>
20:10:17 <giallu> gotcha
20:10:22 <cwickert> this color was exactly the lighter blue of the Fedora logo
20:10:36 <cwickert> and we need to make sure to *only* get this color from now on
20:10:56 <giallu> nice to know, I just got two of the wrong one :(
20:11:06 <cwickert> giallu: so do I
20:11:32 * giallu needs to paricipate in more events so they wear faster
20:11:41 <cwickert> #action cwickert to make sure from now on we only get polos in the 'new' color because it matches the light blue on the Fedora logo
20:12:04 <cwickert> #topic Ambassadors Schedule
20:12:21 <cwickert> the schedule can be found at http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-ambassadors-tasks.html
20:12:28 <cwickert> thanks to rbergeron for updating it
20:12:40 <cwickert> for the people who were not at FUDCon
20:12:48 <cwickert> there were a few changes in the schedule
20:12:57 <cwickert> because some things were too tight
20:13:08 <cwickert> like task 9
20:13:35 <cwickert> alright, let's look at what we got
20:13:43 <cwickert> DONE FAmSCo and Regional teams call for Preparation of Media/SWAG
20:13:49 <cwickert> DONE Regional Team Meetings and Select POC for Swag/Media production
20:13:53 <cwickert> (that's me)
20:14:00 <cwickert> DONE Regional Teams Submit Funding Request For Swag/Media Production
20:14:20 <gentt> Sorry guys
20:14:24 <gentt> .fas gentt
20:14:24 <zodbot> gentt: gent 'Gent Thaçi' <gentthaqi@gmail.com>
20:14:32 <cwickert> NOT YET DONE FAmSCo heads Ambassador Wide Meetings Preparing For Fedora 16
20:14:41 <cwickert> we are going to have a meeting on this this week
20:15:02 <cwickert> with all the interested people, that is kital, sesivany, shaiton, arthurbuliva and me
20:15:27 <cwickert> kital, sesivany, shaiton, arthurbuliva: what do you think when you have time?
20:15:35 <cwickert> should we do a doodle poll?
20:15:54 <sesivany> cwickert: a poll would be a good idea
20:16:03 <shaiton> cwickert, I am free but no friday afternoon (CEST)
20:16:19 <cwickert> how about tomorrow evening?
20:16:33 <shaiton> +1
20:16:39 <arthurbuliva> what time please? Evening is relative
20:16:44 <cwickert> well, lets make a poll as kital is not here anyway
20:16:56 <sesivany> cwickert: that works for me, but no earlier than 8pm CET.
20:17:03 <cwickert> #action cwickert to make a poll on the media meeting time and announce it
20:17:14 <cwickert> sesivany: sounds good, but lets have the poll to be sure
20:17:35 <cwickert> alright, lets move on with the schedule
20:17:41 <cwickert> ??? FAmSCo Coordinate Media/Swag/Poster artwork with Design team
20:17:49 <cwickert> gnokii: what is the status of this?
20:18:15 <cwickert> did FAmSCo already approach the design-team?
20:18:20 <gnokii> good question no life in chan since days and design makes no meetings right now
20:18:45 <cwickert> gnokii: we at least need the media artwork soon
20:18:50 <cwickert> or ASAP
20:19:14 <gnokii> ok, I take care
20:19:47 <cwickert> #action gnokii to nag the design-team about F16 media artwork. we need it earlier this time
20:20:00 <cwickert> NOT DONE FAmSCo and Regional Teams Call for Release Events
20:20:09 <cwickert> damn, I wanted to have done this last week
20:20:24 <cwickert> but AFAIK it was not an action item in the minutes, so I missed it
20:20:42 <cwickert> ONGOING Regional Teams Plan Regional Logistics for Release Events & File Budget Requests
20:21:00 <cwickert> I think logistics shouldn't be a problem
20:21:07 <cwickert> worked quite well in the past
20:21:19 <cwickert> TBD Release Event Submission Deadline
20:21:30 <cwickert> ouch, there was not even a call for release events
20:21:34 <cwickert> or was there?
20:21:41 * cwickert looks
20:22:18 <cwickert> oh, there was
20:22:58 <cwickert> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2011-August/018152.html
20:23:42 <cwickert> #info please add your release events to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F16_release_events
20:23:50 <cwickert> ok, I think that's all for the schedule
20:24:04 <cwickert> I think if we get the release events sorted out, everything is fine
20:24:37 <cwickert> #topic F16 media production
20:24:54 <cwickert> just short on this one as we will deal with it in a special meeting
20:25:11 <cwickert> we have different quotes, one from me, one from sesivany, one from arthurbuliva and one from shaiton
20:25:24 <cwickert> we pick the best one
20:25:36 <cwickert> shaiton: was your quote with artwork included?
20:25:44 <shaiton> yep cwickert
20:25:53 <arthurbuliva> !
20:25:55 <shaiton> even shipment
20:26:06 <cwickert> shaiton: I find it hard to believe that they deliver good quality at this price
20:26:27 <cwickert> shaiton: do we have any samples of previous work from the company?
20:26:54 <shaiton> cwickert, we have done that past year, (only paper jacket, but in this quote we asked same as EMEA)
20:27:11 <shaiton> they are good quality
20:27:32 <cwickert> shaiton: ok, but we don't have seen any printed sleeves from them?
20:27:34 <shaiton> cwickert, I can try to find one and send it to you
20:27:56 <cwickert> shaiton: photo will be enough, we don't have the time to send something by snail mail
20:28:06 <shaiton> cwickert, we had the sleeves printed, not the jacket
20:28:14 * shaiton check the word sleeve… ^^
20:28:32 <cwickert> shaiton: sleeve = jacked
20:28:35 <cwickert> jacket
20:28:41 <shaiton> hum ok
20:28:44 <cwickert> the label on the media = disklabel
20:28:49 <shaiton> ok easy
20:28:52 <cwickert> :)
20:28:57 <cwickert> arthurbuliva: your turn
20:29:13 <arthurbuliva> i got a second quotation
20:29:33 <arthurbuliva> i got it today so i will be mailing the details tomorrow
20:29:39 <cwickert> arthurbuliva: ok
20:29:41 <arthurbuliva> eof
20:29:47 <cwickert> thanks for that arthurbuliva
20:29:50 <sesivany> !
20:29:57 <cwickert> sesivany: yes please
20:30:40 <sesivany> I just want to say that I talked to my manager and he is ok with the solution we found on FUDCon. So I would be good to go.
20:31:07 <sesivany> eof
20:31:12 <cwickert> sesivany: ok, glad to hear that
20:31:22 <giallu> if that solution is that you do stuff at Brno I very much like it...
20:31:32 <cwickert> anything more on media? perhaps quantity?
20:32:18 <cwickert> for F14 we had 3000 media, for 15 we had 5000
20:32:25 <cwickert> I think that 5000 is too much
20:32:31 <cwickert> because we still have media left
20:32:40 <cwickert> kital has around 200
20:32:53 <cwickert> most people have enough for the upcoming events
20:32:55 <gnokii> cwickert: think that in this period are the more bigger events
20:33:06 <cwickert> and the greek guys have more than enough left
20:33:21 * shaiton would give them all in further french events (at least 3)
20:33:23 <cwickert> on the other hand I know that giallu was looking for media
20:33:30 <cwickert> and sesivany could spend more, too
20:33:46 <cwickert> giallu, sesivany: is that correct?
20:34:04 <cwickert> gnokii: +1
20:34:12 <giallu> yeah, here in italy we move much more media for the odd releases
20:34:19 <giallu> at least until toady
20:34:25 <giallu> today
20:34:30 <sesivany> cwickert: yes, I was discussing with my manager 1000 for us,... paid by us, just done in the same order.
20:34:45 <cwickert> sesivany: ok, fine with me
20:34:58 <giallu> how complicated is redoing some if need arise?
20:35:00 <cwickert> sesivany: order as much as you like as long as we don't need to pay them :D
20:35:10 <shaiton> :)
20:35:12 <cwickert> giallu: complicated
20:35:27 <sesivany> cwickert: I'd like to have media for all our events, employees etc. and don't need to take it from Ambassadors budget.
20:35:28 <giallu> maybe not that much for shaiton?
20:35:46 <giallu> oops
20:35:50 <giallu> I meant sesivany
20:35:56 * shaiton was lost :)
20:36:07 <cwickert> ok, how about this then: we still do 5000, but 1000 are for RH Brno only
20:36:13 <cwickert> sounds like a plan?
20:36:18 <giallu> +1
20:36:22 <sesivany> +1
20:36:38 <giallu> anyways, are we talking about the multi dvd?
20:36:40 <cwickert> +1 (obviously)
20:36:51 <cwickert> giallu: good question!
20:37:03 <cwickert> ok, some things we should consider
20:37:17 <shaiton> !
20:37:46 <cwickert> 1. we still should do normal DVDs as fallback solution for computers that cannot do or boot dual layer
20:38:18 <cwickert> 2. the multi desktop DVD is nice but it is sloooow
20:38:44 <cwickert> DVD is slower than CD
20:38:53 <cwickert> and DL is slower than normal DVD
20:39:02 <sesivany> cwickert: I'd like to have a ratio 800:100:100 for us.
20:39:13 <cwickert> still most people want the DVD
20:39:37 <cwickert> sesivany: can they do batches of 500?
20:40:07 <cwickert> I mean, if we want 8:1:1 with 5000 media, it will become 4000:500:500
20:40:29 <cwickert> or we do 3000:1000:1000 as we did in F15
20:40:37 <sesivany> cwickert: yes, but the smaller the batch is the higher the price is :-/ I counted with 3000:1000:1000 we I asked them for a quote.
20:41:10 <cwickert> sesivany: ok, then lets do 3000:1000:1000 and you get more multi desktop
20:41:41 <cwickert> anyway, I think we agree on most things and should discuss further details in the media meeting
20:41:46 <sesivany> cwickert: as far as I know there were people who were asking for more install DVDs
20:42:05 <sesivany> cwickert: so not everyone wants more multideskop.
20:42:20 <arthurbuliva> +1 sesivany
20:42:21 <cwickert> sesivany: atm we only have install dvds left
20:42:21 <shaiton> depends of country
20:42:33 <cwickert> and for NA it is the same
20:43:04 <shaiton> !
20:43:11 <cwickert> shaiton: go ahead
20:43:47 <shaiton> I think we should ask an amba from each country, it depends of the internet connections
20:44:06 <shaiton> in france we can download easily, so Live only is fine…
20:44:38 <cwickert> shaiton: alright
20:44:52 <cwickert> anyway, I think I should ring the 15 minutes bell now
20:44:59 <sesivany> cwickert: and do we still need 32bit?
20:45:05 <cwickert> sesivany: yes
20:45:23 <sesivany> cwickert: ok, just asking.
20:45:37 <cwickert> no problem sesivany
20:45:45 <cwickert> ok, can we move on?
20:46:05 <shaiton> yep
20:46:23 <cwickert> #topic Events
20:46:54 <cwickert> the list of events is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#EMEA-FY12Q3
20:47:11 <cwickert> sesivany is the person who has two major events coming up
20:47:20 <hno> .fas hno
20:47:21 <zodbot> hno: sadaqatullahnoonari 'Sadaqatullah' <sadaqatullah.noonari@khi.iba.edu.pk> - mounis 'moones ben khelifa' <projects@technodealer.net> - hno 'Henrik Nordström' <henrik@henriknordstrom.net> - ufa 'Fabio Araujo' <ufa@technotroll.org> - micktownsend 'Mick Townsend' <townsendtechnologies@westnet.com.au> - richrick 'Patrick Mwirumubi' <patrick.mwirumubi@technobrainltd.com> - debloxie 'DEBO OGUNRINDE' (2 more messages)
20:47:27 <cwickert> but other than that everything is relatively quiet
20:47:44 <cwickert> welcome hno
20:47:54 <sesivany> !
20:48:12 <cwickert> sesivany: go ahead
20:48:45 <sesivany> cwickert: I just want to let you know that everything is set for LinuCon Europe and LinuxAlt. They both will be taken care of by me and Jaroslav Reznik.
20:48:54 <cwickert> #info Fedora 16 release is on 2011-11-08, so don't expect any media for events till ~ 2011-11-20
20:49:16 <sesivany> cwickert: the only thing we're missing is the rollup banner, but it's already in production.
20:49:16 <delhage> !
20:49:17 <cwickert> sesivany: cool. what about the stand-up banner?
20:49:18 * hno is not expecting any media for FSCONS.
20:49:20 <gnokii> sesivany: did the banner happen?
20:49:31 <cwickert> sesivany: you can read my thoughts ;)
20:49:33 <sesivany> gnokii: it's in production
20:49:44 <cwickert> alright, thanks for the feedback
20:49:46 <sesivany> eof
20:49:50 <cwickert> and thanks to gnokii making it happen
20:49:56 <cwickert> delhage: yes please
20:50:12 <cwickert> #undo
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20:50:22 <cwickert> #info Fedora 16 release is on 2011-11-08, so don't expect any media F16 for events till ~ 2011-11-20
20:50:26 <cwickert> #undo
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20:50:36 <cwickert> #info Fedora 16 release is on 2011-11-08, so don't expect any F16 media for events till ~ 2011-11-20
20:50:45 <cwickert> that's what I wanted to say :)
20:50:57 <delhage> fscons is 11-13/11 in Gothenburg and we don't expect media of course, but hopefully we'll get some fedora branded USB sticks from jsmith which we can put a live image on
20:51:18 <delhage> if f16 is released on the 8th
20:51:43 <cwickert> #action jsmith to send Fedora branded USB keys to delhage for fscons
20:51:44 <delhage> eof
20:52:12 <delhage> I think the ball is in my corner, I have to remind jsmith
20:52:17 <cwickert> delhage: have you considered talking to other people like inode0? they might be able to help you with the keys
20:52:34 <delhage> cwickert: I already have, he suggested talking to jsmith-away
20:52:42 <cwickert> delhage: I see
20:52:42 <delhage> inode0 only had a few left
20:52:46 <cwickert> ok
20:53:01 <sesivany> !
20:53:09 <delhage> jsmith told me he might have about 20 or so, which we will have to make do with
20:53:11 <cwickert> sesivany: ah, right
20:53:22 <cwickert> sesivany also can produce some
20:53:29 <delhage> oh
20:53:30 <cwickert> sesivany: tell us more please
20:53:56 <sesivany> cwickert: are we going to make some USB sticks, too? because the company that can produce DVDs also produces branded sticks.
20:54:07 <sesivany> cwickert: we can do it together
20:54:27 <cwickert> sesivany: ok, get a quote and I will try to get the budget on our side
20:54:42 <sesivany> cwickert: ok, eof
20:54:44 <cwickert> sesivany: and make sure the keys are blue, not red ;)
20:55:14 <cwickert> #action sesivany to get a quote for branded USB keys
20:55:30 <cwickert> alright, we are talking about swag again
20:55:41 <cwickert> so I guess there is not much left for events
20:55:44 <cwickert> can we move on?
20:56:35 <cwickert> I take this as a 'yes'
20:56:38 <delhage> yes
20:57:01 <cwickert> #topic  Action items from previous meetings
20:57:12 * cwickert looks for the minutes
20:57:41 <cwickert> DONE cwickert to send sesivany sone swag for LinuxCon
20:57:53 <cwickert> (I gave it to him at Milan)
20:58:05 <cwickert> DONE cwickert to send sesivany also some more media
20:58:06 <sesivany> that's true :-)
20:58:09 <cwickert> (as above)
20:58:28 <cwickert> DONE - cwickert to send wonderer some media for Linuxinfotag Landau
20:58:32 <cwickert> (sent it today)
20:58:50 <cwickert> DONE - cwickert to investigate how fast we can get F16 media
20:59:06 <cwickert> (I can only speak for MediaBit and they need 7-10 days
20:59:27 <cwickert> hopefully we can get the ISOs earlier from rel-eng)
20:59:54 <cwickert> #action cwickert to ask rel-eng how fast we can get the F16 ISOs
21:00:09 <cwickert> ??? Affix to send rsc English cheatcubes
21:00:14 <cwickert> rsc: did that happen?
21:00:34 <cwickert> DONE - gnokii, cwickert and kital to investigate the possibility to have a FAD or Mini-FUDCon at CLT 2012
21:00:37 <rsc> cwickert: no and I think, I am lacking some information to him
21:01:06 <cwickert> rsc: ok, then please get in touch with him if you want cheatcubes for fscons
21:01:16 <cwickert> speaking about CLT...
21:01:26 <cwickert> gnokii and kital and me are working on this
21:01:38 <cwickert> but we cannot yet give you any details
21:01:49 <cwickert> but Fedora will definitely do *something* at CLT
21:02:06 <cwickert> ok, that's all for action items
21:02:14 <cwickert> a pretty productive two weeks
21:02:22 <cwickert> thanks verybody for helping
21:02:34 <cwickert> #topic Open floor
21:03:02 <cwickert> one more thing
21:03:14 <cwickert> (no, I'm not Steve Jobs)
21:03:17 <cwickert> :)
21:03:17 <giallu> :)
21:03:58 <cwickert> #info Vote now for your favorite Fedora 17 release name at Vote now for your favorite Fedora 17 release name
21:04:09 <shaiton> nice reminder
21:04:13 <cwickert> #info vote for the BEEFY MIRACLE!!!
21:04:40 <cwickert> I am pretty sure that everybody who was at FUDPub will vote correctly ;)
21:04:41 <sesivany> cwickert: Beefy Miracle is #1 choice after this FUDCon ;-)
21:04:55 <cwickert> trying my best....
21:04:57 <giallu> that's for sure
21:05:13 <cwickert> alright, anything more?
21:05:24 <cwickert> for example, how did you like FUDCon?
21:06:06 <cwickert> damn clipboard
21:06:22 <cwickert> #info Vote now for your favorite Fedora 17 release name at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/about/relnamef17
21:06:42 <sesivany> I really liked it and I think we got some problems solved too which is important.
21:07:36 <cwickert> sesivany: yes, I think for the ambassadors and marketing it was very good we sorted out these issues
21:07:46 <cwickert> but there is still a lot of work to do
21:07:47 <ib54003> lol http://www.christoph-wickert.de/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/beefy_miracle1.jpg
21:08:03 <cwickert> the new FAmSCo will have a lot of work to do
21:08:11 <cwickert> ib54003: yeah, you should have been there ;)
21:08:22 <sesivany> cwickert: btw do you think it would be worth organizing FAD or mini FUDCon on Developer Conference? There will be tens of technically skilled Fedorians.
21:08:49 <cwickert> sesivany: hmm, sounds like a plan
21:09:32 <cwickert> #action sesivany and cwickert to investigate the chance of having a FAD or Mini-FUDCon at the Brno developer conference
21:09:46 <cwickert> alright
21:09:50 <sesivany> cwickert: I'll have to discuss it with others... if we still have enough room, there will also be a GNOME hackfest. Looks like it's gonna be a big event :-)
21:10:09 <cwickert> sesivany: uuuh, GNOME, then I won't come :P
21:10:28 <sesivany> cwickert: that was not my idea :-)
21:10:40 <cwickert> last but not least I want to thank some people for their incredible work
21:10:58 <cwickert> especially for helping us to sort things out with budget, swag etc
21:11:15 <cwickert> one of them is sesivany, the other two are rbergeron and spot
21:11:26 <cwickert> thanks a lot guys, you really rock!
21:12:17 <cwickert> anybody else? did I forget something important?
21:13:09 <cwickert> ok, doesn't seem so
21:13:24 * cwickert will close the meeting in 3 minutes if nobody objects
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