18:59:51 <rbergeron> #startmeeting Cloud SIG
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18:59:51 <gholms> Southern_Gentlem: Not much for ppc, I take it? :P
19:00:03 <rbergeron> #meetingname Cloud SIG, where the mustard indicates awesome
19:00:03 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'cloud_sig,_where_the_mustard_indicates_awesome'
19:00:12 <rbergeron> #topic Roll call
19:00:32 * clalance here
19:00:33 * jforbes <- spicy mustard?
19:00:45 <jforbes> or is that failsauce :)
19:00:46 <spevack> I am here, but lurking.
19:01:04 <gholms> jforbes: Brown mustard. For the bratwurst.
19:01:07 * kkeithley_wfh is here
19:01:15 <rbergeron> i'm not a brat!
19:01:44 <rbergeron> okay, let's get rolling, i suppose
19:01:47 <rbergeron> #topic EC2
19:01:55 * jforbes <- worst brat :)
19:01:55 <rbergeron> jforbes, jgreguske: what's the word on the street
19:02:03 * jgreguske defers to jforbes
19:02:29 <jforbes> rbergeron: I have some alpha images that I need to make public from BG
19:02:38 <jgreguske> jforbes: successful boots?
19:02:39 <rbergeron> jforbes: awesome
19:02:55 <jforbes> jgreguske: yes
19:03:08 * tflink is kind of here, but lurking until blocker meeting is over
19:03:11 <jgreguske> jforbes: nice. I'd be interested in what changes you had to make
19:03:15 <rbergeron> jgreguske: bg has fixed some of the problems - one was a kernel issue, one was grub2 issue
19:03:16 <jgreguske> jforbes: offline probably
19:03:32 <jforbes> jgreguske: sure, though bg has the changes
19:03:56 <jgreguske> jforbes: what is the nature of the changes? are you fixing stuff after app-t has done its thing?
19:03:59 <jforbes> jgreguske: bg has full F16 support now, they generate the grub.conf themselves
19:04:01 <rbergeron> jgreguske: i don' thtink mgoldmann is here, but i'll pull up the related tickets that might help you
19:04:11 <jgreguske> thanks rbergeron
19:04:50 <jforbes> joys of using a supported tool, upstream fixed F16 before I got a chance to :)
19:05:02 <gholms> Nice
19:05:18 <jgreguske> k, I'll just look at the BG tickets then, rbergeron
19:05:36 <rbergeron> yeah, thery're in there.
19:05:40 <rbergeron> i'm slow at pulling them up
19:05:47 <rbergeron> the boxgrinder blog posts detail it pretty well
19:06:07 <rbergeron> jforbes: so upload will be when?
19:06:25 <jforbes> upload is done, bits will be flipped this afternoon
19:06:31 <rbergeron> oh, awesome
19:06:34 <rbergeron> udaman
19:06:52 <rbergeron> alrighty, i'll move on unless there are other q's
19:07:06 <rbergeron> #info F16 alpha now working for ec2, jforbes will turn it on this afternoon
19:07:32 <rbergeron> #info BG has all fixes to make F16 build right for ec2, boxgrinder blog details the changes made to make it actually boot
19:07:40 <rbergeron> #topic Aeolus
19:07:44 <rbergeron> clalance: hi
19:07:49 <clalance> rbergeron: Hello
19:08:03 <clalance> rbergeron: Same same.
19:08:19 <rbergeron> :)
19:08:22 <clalance> Development is ongoing, I got things working quite nicely this week.
19:08:37 <clalance> So I'll be building packages based on that stuff for F-16.
19:08:47 <clalance> (early next week)
19:09:07 <mmorsi> rbergeron: some good things coming on the community side as well (hint your blogroll among other things will be here next week)
19:09:13 <clalance> I'm starting to get more interest in Oz from various parties, which is nice.
19:09:15 <rbergeron> #info Aeolus development ongoing, building packages based on new development for F16 next week
19:09:24 <mmorsi> clalance: ya everyone loves oz :-)
19:09:25 <clalance> Oh yeah, and mmorsi's video blog stuff, of course :).
19:09:33 <rbergeron> #info aeolus blog getting added to planet, etc. soon.
19:09:44 <mmorsi> was one of the most asked about things at my fosscon presentation
19:10:01 <mmorsi> rbergeron: any more info on any more conferences or the promo video?
19:10:41 <mmorsi> oh ya and incase you missed it
19:10:58 <mmorsi> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/30/red_hat_aeolus_open_source_cloud/
19:11:31 <rbergeron> mmorsi: no - i wound up finding someone with money from openshift to fill the spots at ohio/portland, because ... money, but i still have a spot in barcelona i have to fill, and they don't have money for that, but nobody else seems to either
19:11:33 <mmorsi> not sure what it means to 'out-linux' something, but hey publicity is publicity
19:11:41 <rbergeron> lol
19:11:46 <rbergeron> mmorsi: yeah, i saw that article
19:11:49 <rbergeron> along with many others this week
19:11:57 <rbergeron> :)
19:12:17 <rbergeron> mmorsi: promo video is still being worked through
19:12:18 <mmorsi> rbergeron: aight well if something could be arrainged shout out
19:12:21 <rbergeron> yeah
19:12:22 <mmorsi> sure thing
19:12:27 <rbergeron> i'm doing my best
19:12:33 <rbergeron> someone needs to get me a money tree for christmas
19:12:42 <mmorsi> haha quick call santa!
19:12:48 * rbergeron looks at sdake
19:12:50 <mmorsi> he's not doing anything this time of year anyways ;-)
19:12:51 <rbergeron> oh, he's not here
19:13:00 <rbergeron> okay, anyway
19:13:13 <rbergeron> clalance, mmorsi: thanks for the updates. :)
19:13:17 <mmorsi> np
19:13:17 <rbergeron> #topic HekaFS
19:13:23 <rbergeron> jdarcy: HI, welcome back
19:14:05 <clalance> rbergeron: YOu are welcome.
19:14:30 <jdarcy> rbergeron: Thanks.
19:14:39 <rbergeron> jdarcy: how are things, or not sure yet?
19:14:46 <rbergeron> perhaps kkeithley_wfh can fill in as well
19:14:54 * jdarcy only pulled a pectoral muscle at family camp this time.  Better than usual.
19:15:07 <jdarcy> So, big news: we got permission to sign the Gluster CLA.
19:15:21 <rbergeron> OMFG
19:15:27 * rbergeron gets out the balloons and party blowers
19:15:57 <jdarcy> Yeah, after saying that the CLA was utterly unacceptable before, legal now says we can sign it without change.  <rolleyes>
19:16:06 <rbergeron> #info Good news, everyone! HekaFS guys are now allowed to sign the gluster cla
19:16:09 <rbergeron> lol
19:16:12 <rbergeron> interesting
19:16:24 <jdarcy> So mine's signed and accepted, I'm polishing the SSL patch for submission in another window right now.
19:16:45 <rbergeron> well, that's very good.
19:16:46 <jdarcy> Other than that, pretty much the usual testing and bug fixing.
19:17:05 <kkeithley_wfh> not much from me this week. I was tinkering and testing. spun an updated hekafs rpm. that's about it. Still need to do my write-up on setting up a hekafs cluster
19:17:18 <jdarcy> kkeithley_wfh: Maybe we should do a screencast.
19:17:26 <rbergeron> YES
19:17:35 <kkeithley_wfh> I need to sign the gluster cla at some point too.
19:17:49 <kkeithley_wfh> sure
19:18:03 <rbergeron> :D
19:18:14 <kkeithley_wfh> my on-camera persona is so winning
19:18:19 <rbergeron> lol
19:18:35 <rbergeron> so can i ask dumb question of the century?
19:18:37 <kkeithley_wfh> right up there with my karaoke
19:18:42 <rbergeron> that's what i'm here for after all
19:19:31 <kkeithley_wfh> just don't step on my "keen eye for the obvious" shoes
19:19:33 * jdarcy waits eagerly for the question, dumb or otherwise.
19:19:39 <rbergeron> is expected behavior to eventually be like... i haz a cloud, and i can just mount hekafs as a filesystem? is that something we can document as a usage thing now, or start thinking about?
19:20:05 <kkeithley_wfh> that's a big 10-4 good buddy
19:20:07 <rbergeron> like... future fedora version
19:20:20 <rbergeron> because it's nice to have all these cloudy things
19:20:29 <rbergeron> but would be nice to think about how some of them work together in the futures
19:20:54 <jdarcy> The ultimate coolness would be for there to be several public HekaFS providers, and you just tell the system which one to use.
19:22:18 <jdarcy> mount -t hekafs fedora_one:jdarcy /mnt/whatever
19:22:29 <spstarr> can I add an item at end?
19:22:37 <rbergeron> yes.
19:22:47 <rbergeron> jdarcy: and in the interim until that day occurs? :)
19:23:13 <jdarcy> rbergeron: Right now it's a bit more complicated, because there are no public servers and you'd need to set up your own.
19:24:06 <rbergeron> okay. lol
19:24:09 <rbergeron> i'll move on
19:24:16 <rbergeron> :)
19:24:20 <rbergeron> anything else from you guys?
19:24:35 <jdarcy> rbergeron: But it's not much more than that.  (1) "gluster peer probe" (2) hfs_add_volume (3) hfs_add_tenant, (4) hfs_enable_tenant, (5) hfs_start_volume, (6) hfs_mount.
19:24:38 <rbergeron> #info kkeithley_wfh is working on a write up of setting up a hekafs cluster
19:24:38 <jdarcy> That's it for me.
19:25:02 <rbergeron> jdarcy: cool, thanks
19:25:12 <kkeithley_wfh> s/working/still working/
19:25:12 <rbergeron> #topic OpenStack
19:25:21 <rbergeron> kkeithley_wfh: close enough ;)
19:25:48 <rbergeron> So - none of those folks appear to be here
19:25:49 <rbergeron> but...
19:26:00 <rbergeron> #info Packaging ongoing - lots of movement this week
19:26:14 <clalance> rbergeron: markmc sent out a great status email again.
19:26:14 * rbergeron looks for last mail from markmc
19:26:18 <rbergeron> he did, indeed.
19:26:38 <rbergeron> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2011-September/000801.html
19:26:50 <rbergeron> #info openstack-nova is now in F16
19:27:05 <rbergeron> #info Planning on asking FESCo for feature exception for F16
19:27:44 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron to file a ticket with FESCo for monday's meeting, which may not be happening now that she thinks about it due to labor day
19:28:06 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron to do other feature wrangling things that need to happen since she's the feature wrangler
19:28:50 <rbergeron> #info mdomsch has made good progress moving packages into epel, dwalsh did some policy work for glance, asalkeld ported nova and glance to systemd (thanks to all!)
19:28:54 <rbergeron> I think that's about it
19:28:59 <rbergeron> I know y'all can read, and stuff. :)
19:29:14 * rbergeron waits for comments before moving on
19:29:46 <rbergeron> okay, moooooooving on
19:29:55 <rbergeron> #topic Test Day
19:30:10 <rbergeron> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2011-September/000797.html
19:30:17 <rbergeron> #info markmc proposed a test day on-list
19:30:24 <rbergeron> Is anyone else interested in participating?
19:30:37 <jforbes> Sure will
19:30:49 <rbergeron> :)
19:31:12 <rbergeron> let me rephrase that a bit: does anyone have a specific project/etc. they'd like to help get ready for a test day
19:31:30 <rbergeron> mark would like to get openstack tested, etc.
19:31:31 * quaid teleports in & settles in the back corner
19:31:51 <rbergeron> i'm not sure where the aeolus folks are, i talked to jlaska a bit about it and he wasn't quite sure on preparedness there.
19:32:07 <rbergeron> same for hekafs - not sure how easily that oculd be tested.
19:32:17 <rbergeron> and then we still can do EC2 testing.
19:32:30 <rbergeron> hello quaid
19:32:42 * rbergeron listens to birds chirping
19:33:03 <gholms> [You feel your magical energy drain away]
19:33:05 <jforbes> well, you covered EC2 :)
19:33:15 * spstarr waits
19:33:23 <clalance> rbergeron: Sorry, looked away for a few minutes.
19:33:39 <rbergeron> lol
19:33:46 <clalance> rbergeron: I'll see if I can wrangle some interest in testing Aeolus out on that day.
19:33:54 <rbergeron> clalance: thanks :)
19:33:54 <clalance> And I would love to get Oz testing on there as well.
19:34:09 <rbergeron> yeah, even basic testing (does it run!) would be helpful, i suspect.
19:34:10 <clalance> Unfortunately I'm a bit slammed for the next week or so, but after that I hope to find some time to make test cases.
19:34:15 * rbergeron nods
19:34:22 <rbergeron> we're looking at october 20, so we have a bit of time.
19:34:28 <clalance> Cool.
19:34:33 <rbergeron> #info Looking at October 20th for a test day.
19:34:53 <rbergeron> #action clalance to look into Aeolus/Oz testing interest, test cases development interest
19:35:05 <rbergeron> alright. I'll be continuing to flog this on the list
19:35:10 <rbergeron> for feature owners not here, etc.
19:35:34 <rbergeron> #topic Open Floor
19:35:40 <rbergeron> spstarr: hi :)
19:35:48 <spstarr> OpenNebula
19:35:58 <rbergeron> #topic OpenNebula
19:36:02 <rbergeron> alright, let's discuss.
19:36:03 <spstarr> I have provided some initial packages for getting OpenNebula into Fedora
19:36:15 <spstarr> what steps are needed? there is tons of ruby packages, well all of it is ruby based.
19:36:37 <rbergeron> well, that's sort of an open-ended question, I suppose.
19:36:46 <spstarr> all my packages are on http://www.sh0n.net/spstarr/fedora-work
19:36:48 <rbergeron> Do you have a wiki page / checklist of to-do's, etc?
19:37:05 <spstarr> not yet, i still need lots of help with reviews of my SRPMs
19:37:17 <spstarr> I can't approve my own packages even if im provenpackager :)
19:37:35 <rbergeron> okay. so - one of the things that is helpful is to actually have that "to-do" list include the packages and bz #'s, so people can find them easily.
19:37:44 <rbergeron> Along with a "what is this software", so you can get a bit of interest :)
19:38:02 <spstarr> I have also spoken to the Ruby SIG folks, since they want to change to using newer RSpec guidelines
19:38:05 <rbergeron> we've seen that work fairly well with a few other things around here - aeolus, openstack both had status lists with their outstanding packages, etc.
19:38:08 <spstarr> which may put a wrinkle into this
19:38:26 <rbergeron> spstarr: in that you'll have to redo any existing package reviews?
19:38:27 <spstarr> I did post to the mailing list some bz#s :)
19:38:39 <spstarr> not redo-they haven't all been started yet
19:38:43 <rbergeron> spstarr: yeah, having it be somepalce where it can be updated is a bit easier :) do you have a master bz?
19:39:03 <spstarr> no master bz, should I make one and then append the other packages to it as they go into bz?
19:39:33 <spstarr> I can create a wiki page and link it to the Fedora Cloud SIG page
19:39:36 <gholms> A wiki page with links to those would help.
19:39:53 <spstarr> ok, will create that. OpenNebula 3.0 is scheduled to be released this or next week.
19:40:00 <spstarr> hope to get it into Fedora 17
19:40:04 <rbergeron> spstarr: wiki page is most helpful; a master bz where all the packages are blockers against it can be helpful as well
19:40:16 <spstarr> I will get on that
19:40:32 <rbergeron> #info OpenNebula 3.0 is scheduled to be released in the next few weeks, spstarr would like to get it in F17
19:40:32 * gholms keeps conflating all the *n*bula platforms out there; sorry
19:40:40 <spstarr> hehe
19:41:04 <rbergeron> #action spstarr to make a wiki page with bz's linked in for status tracking, feel free to ping us for help / examples
19:41:19 <spstarr> they have an irc channel in #opennebula and I've been working with them to get some issues sorted, they've been happy to help.
19:41:25 <spstarr> so good relationship with upstream
19:41:37 <rbergeron> cool :)
19:42:03 <rbergeron> spstarr: anything else?
19:42:09 <spstarr> Would anyone else want to help out too?
19:42:54 <spstarr> Other then that, nothing further.
19:43:09 * rbergeron grins
19:43:29 <rbergeron> #info If anyone wants to help, please feel free to volunteer :)
19:43:40 <rbergeron> spstarr: once you get the wiki page set up, might be a good idea to send another mail to the list
19:43:48 <spstarr> certainly :)
19:43:49 <rbergeron> as an update
19:43:53 <rbergeron> coolio. thank you!
19:43:59 <rbergeron> #topic Open Floor
19:44:03 <rbergeron> Anyone else?
19:44:05 <rbergeron> Anything else?
19:44:14 <rbergeron> I don't think msavy or mgoldmann are here today
19:44:32 <gholms> [A cat slowly rolls a watermelon up onto shore]
19:44:51 <rbergeron> where do you come up with those?
19:44:59 <gholms> Nerd magic.
19:45:05 <rbergeron> That's pretty nerdy.
19:45:24 <rbergeron> suehle would be impressed if she was here, except she's apparently on the same hotel floor with william shatner at dragoncon, somehow.
19:45:28 <rbergeron> Which is super nerdy.
19:45:31 <rbergeron> anyway, i digress
19:45:49 <gholms> spstarr: Is there an up-to-date guide for ruby packaging?
19:46:11 <clalance> gholms: There is one, but it is out-of-date.
19:46:12 <spstarr> gholms: I need to check on their wiki
19:46:18 <spstarr> but i think ^^^
19:46:32 <gholms> It's the current...ness that I'm hoping for. :)
19:46:45 <gholms> Eh, oh well
19:46:58 <clalance> gholms: In particular, the recommended stage at which the gem is installed has changed.
19:47:13 <clalance> (I believe the wiki page states in %build, but new packages are doing it in %prep instead)
19:47:15 <spstarr> ? they only changed RSpec 1.x -> 2.x
19:47:45 * spstarr looks at packaging wiki
19:48:28 <spstarr> no change since 2010
19:48:30 <spstarr> we're ok :)
19:48:51 <clalance> spstarr: No, what I'm saying is that that page no longer is current.
19:48:59 <spstarr> oh?
19:49:02 <clalance> It no longer matches up with what the ruby people are actually doing.
19:49:11 <clalance> (it does for the most part, but there are some details that are different now)
19:49:13 <rbergeron> clalance: does the packaging committe know this?
19:49:19 <rbergeron> not to be all bureaucratic
19:49:26 <spstarr> well I am aware of the symlinks being dropped
19:49:30 <spstarr> and have done so in my specs
19:49:30 <rbergeron> but i'd think that ... it would be useful for that stuff to be, um, up to date
19:49:32 <clalance> rbergeron: I haven't the faintest clue.
19:49:33 <rbergeron> ;)
19:49:35 <rbergeron> okay.
19:49:38 <clalance> rbergeron: Yes, I agree.
19:49:43 <clalance> Someone needs to update it.
19:49:48 <rbergeron> Hmmm.
19:49:59 <clalance> Just to be clear, it is not *wildly* wrong.
19:50:03 <clalance> Just some details are different now.
19:50:19 <rbergeron> #info Ruby packaging process is apparently now slightly different (in details) from what is shown on wiki page for ruby packaging
19:50:32 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron to drop a mail to packaging committee, ruby sig (if there is one) and ask what's up
19:50:39 <gholms> Is Packaging:Ruby on the wiki correct?
19:50:45 <gholms> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Ruby
19:50:49 <spstarr> there's a ruby-sig mailing list/group yes
19:50:50 <gholms> Or is that also out-of-date?
19:50:50 <clalance> gholms: That's the page we are talking about.
19:50:56 <gholms> Ah
19:51:19 <rbergeron> spstarr: but are they active? :)
19:51:26 <clalance> -ish :).
19:51:31 <spstarr> somewhat, im part of it, but not many emails
19:51:34 <rbergeron> okay.
19:51:39 <rbergeron> well, i'll harass.
19:51:44 <rbergeron> err, ask nicely.
19:51:45 <rbergeron> i mean.
19:51:46 <rbergeron> :)
19:51:50 * rbergeron puts on her sweetest smile
19:52:01 <spstarr> most appreciated ;)
19:52:51 <gholms> [You suddenly realize it is unnaturally quiet]
19:52:57 <rbergeron> i know.
19:52:59 <rbergeron> it's my smiling.
19:53:08 * rbergeron will count backwards from 87 and then close the meeting
19:53:28 * clalance is going to drop and start the long weekend early.
19:53:35 <clalance> Happy Labor Day to those in the US.
19:53:39 <gholms> clalance: Enjoy :)
19:53:43 <clalance> See you next week.
19:53:44 <spstarr> and Canada :)
19:54:15 <quaid> rbergeron: so, uh ...
19:54:26 <rbergeron> quaid: yes?
19:54:30 <quaid> rbergeron: want to talk on-list about what to plan for Milan?
19:54:38 <rbergeron> um, sure; i don't think anyone here is going.
19:54:38 <quaid> that is, a cloud track + ...
19:54:42 <quaid> right
19:55:01 <quaid> well, let's do some blog posts and such and find out who IS going
19:55:25 <rbergeron> quaid: there are 2 guys from aeolus-land, coming from brno
19:55:33 <quaid> cool, that's great
19:55:45 <rbergeron> but afaik - nobody from any other project, red hat or non red hat
19:55:46 <quaid> there is a lot of Fedora crossover, it's a newly announced project, they want to get people using and contributing
19:56:12 <rbergeron> quaid: yeah
19:56:17 <spstarr> im going to give my opennebula project a code name, "precipitation" :) clouds produce precip, (in this virtual machines)
19:56:34 <quaid> heh
19:56:48 * gholms eyerolls :P
19:56:50 <rbergeron> gholms: is anyone from euca in europe?
19:57:04 <gholms> rbergeron: Not yet.
19:57:12 <gholms> rbergeron: Though I'm trying to get obino to go.
19:57:20 <rbergeron> to fudcon europe?
19:57:25 <gholms> Since, you know, he's Italian.
19:57:27 <rbergeron> lol
19:57:36 <rbergeron> NO WAY
19:58:23 <rbergeron> quaid: let's go to fedora-cloud
19:58:41 <rbergeron> #action quaid to ask onlist about possible participation for fudcon milan
19:58:45 <rbergeron> #endmeeting