14:33:30 <yn1v> #startmeeting 14:33:30 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat May 21 14:33:30 2011 UTC. The chair is yn1v. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:33:30 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:33:37 <gbraad> thanks yn1v 14:34:01 <yn1v> #chair gbraad kaio igorps mether 14:34:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: gbraad igorps kaio mether yn1v 14:34:11 <gbraad> #topic Roll call 14:34:20 <gbraad> .fas gbraad 14:34:21 <zodbot> gbraad: gbraad 'Gerard Braad (吉拉德)' <fedora@gbraad.nl> 14:34:22 <igorps> .fas igorps 14:34:25 <zodbot> igorps: igor 'Igor Pires Soares' <igor@projetofedora.org> 14:34:32 <yn1v> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Agenda 14:34:35 <kaio> .fas kaio 14:34:36 <zodbot> kaio: kaio 'Caius Chance (かいお)' <me@kaio.net> 14:34:38 <yn1v> .fas yn1v 14:34:40 <zodbot> yn1v: yn1v 'Neville A. Cross' <neville@taygon.com> 14:34:53 <gbraad> #topic Short announcement 14:35:39 <gbraad> I saw some message on the Ambassador list asking of action should be taken concerning the attendance of our members 14:36:17 <gbraad> I do not see any need to take action on this as we know the reasons and these have also been mentioned before on the meetings 14:36:34 <gbraad> To kill any rumor about this... *phew*. 14:36:48 <gbraad> let's continue with the meeting. 14:37:05 <igorps> IMHO attendance is ok for most of us 14:37:23 <igorps> We are able to achieve majority in most meetings 14:37:33 <gbraad> btw, thanks for attending mether :-) 14:37:54 <mether> gbraad, np. now that we got a release mostly out of the door, I got time again 14:37:56 <kaio> Attendance is not the main issue, efficiency is. 14:38:13 <gbraad> kaio, agree. so move on 14:38:18 <kaio> gogogo 14:38:18 <gbraad> #topic Unassigned topics 14:38:28 <gbraad> we have some unassigned topics. 14:38:58 <gbraad> any idea of the status for hosting the townhalls? I have not seen any action on this topic 14:39:16 <igorps> yn1v has a scheme 14:39:32 <igorps> yn1v how is it going? 14:39:34 <gbraad> ok, so can I assign the topic to you? 14:39:48 * gbraad means yn1v 14:39:52 <yn1v> bad... there has been about three responses overall 14:40:37 <yn1v> I think that next action is to set up the time and invite people 14:40:51 <igorps> I'll write a blog post about that so it goes to the planet for more awareness 14:41:17 <yn1v> yes, I was taking the schedule, so put that under my name. 14:41:34 <gbraad> #action igorps Will post a message to bring the Mentor Town Halls to the attention 14:41:55 <yn1v> mentor ? 14:41:56 <gbraad> #action yn1v Setup a time schedule for the Mentor Town Halls 14:42:09 <gbraad> according to the agenda this is 14:42:41 <yn1v> it is suppose to be FAmSCo Town Hall, for all ambassadors. 14:43:29 <igorps> It would be nice if folks spread the word about that on regional meetings as well 14:43:58 <gbraad> I seldom use the undo for action, what was the command? 14:44:25 <igorps> I thing it is #undo 14:44:31 <mether> yes 14:44:32 <igorps> think* 14:44:39 <gbraad> #undo 14:44:39 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0xf7aa2ac> 14:44:43 <gbraad> #undo 14:44:43 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x1e0c89ec> 14:44:48 <gbraad> was too obvious ;-) 14:44:58 <mether> now you removed two 14:45:04 <gbraad> #action igorps Will post a message to bring the Ambassador Town Halls to the attention 14:45:08 <yn1v> yes both have mentor 14:45:20 <mether> ok 14:45:21 <gbraad> #action yn1v Setup a time schedule for the Ambassador Town Halls 14:45:29 <gbraad> fixed 14:45:58 <gbraad> regional meetings can address this after schedule and blogpost has been made 14:46:07 <igorps> gbraad: +1 14:46:53 <igorps> I'm not sure about the background of this topic: 14:46:56 <igorps> Informs us on the possibility to host fc.o within RH. Ping Tom Callaway 14:47:00 <yn1v> So we wait for more responses? o should we propose a time for tonw halls? 14:47:17 <gbraad> we propose a timeslot and ask for input 14:47:36 <yn1v> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2011-May/017488.html 14:47:59 <igorps> yn1v: we can wait for more responses 14:48:02 <gbraad> waiting for more response is ambiguous, as they do not know what for (time) 14:48:22 <gbraad> I skipped that task as I was going to create an action point for myself. 14:48:33 <igorps> we can propose times based on responses 14:48:37 <mether> whats fc.o? 14:49:15 <gbraad> #action Will ping Tom Callaway about hosting fedoracommunity.org within RH datacenter/legal issues on this 14:49:20 <gbraad> #undo 14:49:20 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x1dd469ac> 14:49:30 <gbraad> #action gbraad Will ping Tom Callaway about hosting fedoracommunity.org within RH datacenter/legal issues on this 14:49:49 <gbraad> sorry about that 14:50:00 <gbraad> ok, moving on? 14:50:08 <igorps> gbraad: +1 14:50:10 <kaio> + 14:50:40 <yn1v> +1 14:50:43 <gbraad> #topic Present Scott Williams as a Mentor for North America 14:51:20 <gbraad> Originally Larry had been contacted about the proposal of vwbusguy to be asigned as a new mentor 14:51:48 <gbraad> Unfortunately we all know about the resignation, so I took this topic 14:52:02 <igorps> .fasinfo vwbusguy 14:52:04 <zodbot> igorps: User: vwbusguy, Name: Scott Williams, email: vwfoxguru@gmail.com, Creation: 2008-07-23, IRC Nick: vwbusguy, Timezone: US/Pacific, Locale: en, Extension: 5111070, GPG key ID: , Status: active 14:52:07 <zodbot> igorps: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors fedorabugs irc-support-operators 14:52:20 <gbraad> I have been contacted by VileGent and inode1 about this. (John Rose, Ben Williams) 14:52:55 <gbraad> With the resignation of our FAmSCo member we also lost a NA mentor. 14:53:30 <igorps> well noticed 14:54:03 <gbraad> I have noticed he is a good contributor and have heard a lot of good words from VileGent about him, so... 14:54:10 <gbraad> let's vote 14:54:45 <mether> +1 14:54:49 <yn1v> +1 14:54:53 <kaio> +1 14:54:54 <igorps> +1 14:54:56 <gbraad> +1 14:55:14 <mether> talked to him many times over irc and I think he is a good candidate 14:55:31 <gbraad> unanimous 14:56:12 <igorps> Also he seems to be pretty active in the community 14:56:36 <gbraad> Who can assign him to the mentor group? 14:57:12 <yn1v> I think kital is the manager of membership 14:57:20 <yn1v> for ambassadors 14:57:25 <mether> yep 14:57:39 <gbraad> I could ask zodbot, but I'll just create a action 14:57:57 <gbraad> #action Assign vwbusguy to the Mentor group 14:58:13 <gbraad> Will issue an email to be sure 14:58:43 <gbraad> #topic FUDCon China 14:59:06 <gbraad> no news on this for now. Will have some meeting about this soon 14:59:38 <igorps> gbraad: do you guys have a probable date for the event? 15:00:09 <gbraad> somewhere in November/December is a likely option 15:00:24 <gbraad> also the fc.o task on my name will be combined with the new assignment 15:00:37 <gbraad> so, let's move on? 15:00:39 <igorps> sounds good since FUDCon Milan is in October 15:01:01 <rbergeron> ? 15:01:09 <gbraad> rbergeron? 15:01:42 <igorps> rbergeron: please go ahead 15:01:44 <mether> gbraad, nov/dec of this year? 15:01:47 <rbergeron> arent there multiple bids being made for a fudcon apac? 15:01:58 <rbergeron> i thought i saw at least two 15:02:04 <gbraad> rbergeron it is an option, nothing concrete yet 15:02:08 <rbergeron> (i could be forgetful though) 15:02:59 <rbergeron> okay 15:03:05 <gbraad> mether, depends on the co-operation... but would hope so ;-) 15:03:36 <rbergeron> i just dont want to override dates listed in people's bids should they make them 15:04:02 <gbraad> move on? 15:04:08 <rbergeron> eof :) 15:04:40 <gbraad> #topic Ambassador Survey 15:04:57 <gbraad> igorps, any information on this topic? 15:05:01 <igorps> yn1v took that and published the survey 15:05:19 <yn1v> yes, and I bought 250 responses. 15:05:28 <yn1v> it needs more publicity 15:05:32 <igorps> the survey is now running thanks to yn1v 15:05:44 <gbraad> please post link 15:05:56 <yn1v> I haven't created a ticket for that ... my bad ! 15:06:04 <igorps> I'll add this to the upcoming blog post about the town halls 15:06:26 <igorps> #link http://fedora-goals.limequery.org/62553/lang-en 15:06:39 <gbraad> #action yn1v Creates a ticket for Ambassador Survey expenses (250 responses) 15:07:12 <yn1v> here is the announcement for the survey 15:07:17 <yn1v> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2011-May/thread.html 15:08:00 <gbraad> #action Create awareness of the Ambassador Survey 15:08:16 <gbraad> I hope everybody can help with this, by addressing it during their regional meetings 15:08:24 <gbraad> or using twitter/identi.ca 15:08:30 <igorps> gbraad: +1 15:09:25 <gbraad> any more info to add to the topic? 15:09:43 <igorps> not from me 15:09:57 <kaio> no 15:10:06 <yn1v> let's move on 15:10:09 <gbraad> igorps, what about Ticket 161 . I do not visibility on it now. Is it being dealt with? 15:10:26 <gbraad> with this, I also have a topic... 15:10:36 <gbraad> #topic Budget Wrangler 15:10:50 <igorps> It was approved on last meeting, but I'm still waiting for liknus to update the ticket 15:11:05 <igorps> or... our new budget wrangler to do so 15:11:26 <gbraad> I have noticed some activity on the ticket before our meeting. Not sure we did... 15:12:05 <gbraad> s/we/who 15:12:41 <igorps> I updated it according to the partial approval we talked about last meeting 15:12:52 <gbraad> our chair, liknus, is missing. so, shall we postpone this topic??? 15:13:21 <igorps> I'll ping him again via mailing list 15:13:26 <yn1v> I am not sure about dead line for this 15:14:02 <igorps> yn1v: until first week of june is the ideal 15:14:21 <igorps> Dennis Gilmore and Jared confirmed that they are going 15:14:24 <gbraad> igorps, ping the topic and address this also to spevack 15:14:54 <igorps> gbraad: will do 15:15:23 <gbraad> note: due to my schedule I am not able to take the position 15:16:05 <gbraad> hope this can change soon... but currently in a very stressful (busy) schedule :-s 15:16:06 <yn1v> I felt that we are running out of time with this and we have decision but no action :( 15:16:25 <igorps> gbraad: me neither 15:16:52 <gbraad> #action igorps Pings mailinglist and spevack about Budget Wrangler 15:17:26 * gbraad not happy about this and we have to find a solution. 15:17:48 <gbraad> we need to address this as an issue. 15:18:05 <yn1v> yes. 15:18:09 <igorps> We should take a list of tasks that the budget wrangler should do and maybe divide them to the group 15:18:20 <gbraad> igorps, sounds like a good idea 15:18:43 <gbraad> according to the regulation, should the budget wrangler be someone of the FAmSCo group? 15:19:07 <gbraad> I expect so due to the view rights... 15:19:54 <gbraad> ... move on? 15:19:59 <yn1v> what I see as the problem is that we depend on a very busy people, and when he is more busy we are left on the side. 15:20:51 <igorps> yn1v: that is a problem, but I'm not sure if the budget wrangler is capable of address this issue 15:21:14 <yn1v> exactly 15:21:43 <gbraad> igorps, yn1v what to suggest? escalate this issue further up? 15:22:03 <yn1v> We should go back to the finnace SIG that spevack has created and see how we can help 15:22:16 <yn1v> I not sure how we can scalate? 15:22:33 <igorps> gbraad: I suggest to ping spevack about that and ask him what tasks we need to take to push this forward 15:22:47 <yn1v> I will like to talk about this with jsmith at fudcon panama 15:23:00 <gbraad> igorps, yn1v ok 15:23:14 <rbergeron> ? 15:23:26 <gbraad> rbergeron; please speak... 15:23:28 <gbraad> ;-) 15:23:29 <igorps> yn1v: excellent idea. I was thinking the same. 15:23:33 <rbergeron> budget for what? what is the june deadline for? 15:23:46 <igorps> rbergeron: FAD @ FISL 15:24:02 <yn1v> for me is not a bout a ticket is about the budget process 15:24:06 <igorps> the Free Software International Forum in Brazil 15:24:12 <rbergeron> igorps: is there a page for the proposed FAD @ FISL? 15:24:26 <gbraad> as yn1v says, for me it is a general issue 15:24:37 <igorps> rbergeron: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_FISL12 15:24:48 <gbraad> but igorps addresses one of the impacted assignments 15:25:15 <igorps> it is a general issue, that's a broader problem for sure 15:25:31 <rbergeron> yeah 15:25:45 <gbraad> rbergeron: at the moment budget assignment stalls due to it being in the hands of busy people 15:25:52 <rbergeron> sooo normally for a FAD you'd have a separate FAD page from the event page - but I know it gets sticky with events co-located with FADs 15:26:01 <gbraad> there is an issue on our side, but this is just a small portion of the problem. 15:26:49 <igorps> I'm also looking forward to coordinate this with jsmith and danielbruno at FUDCon Panama next week 15:27:00 <rbergeron> are we trying to get people to the FAD who are not already sponsored locally to attend? 15:27:36 <yn1v> for fils the problem is that we have reached a consensus but we have no action to allocate budget 15:27:45 <igorps> rbergeron: FAmSCo have approved sponsorship for two folks 15:28:03 <igorps> ticket 161 15:28:05 <rbergeron> igorps: so - what I would do is this, wihch would make it easier for someone to make a decision: 15:28:17 <rbergeron> igorps: i can't look at tickets :) 15:28:39 <rbergeron> well - actually - is there a separate page for FISL sponsorship? 15:29:04 <rbergeron> or just the FISL event, rather 15:29:17 <yn1v> I need to leave... I have a work meeting 15:29:29 <igorps> rbergeron: there is a spreadsheet 15:29:44 <rbergeron> Basically somewhere there needs to be a list of (a) who is going (b) how much it is going to cost (airfare, etc) - and that needs to be on the wiki 15:29:45 <gbraad> no problem yn1v 15:29:47 <igorps> I sent and email about that to fudcon planning list 15:29:48 <rbergeron> in a budget section 15:29:52 <igorps> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fudcon-planning/2011-May/002174.html 15:30:20 <gbraad> yn1v if you have any topic, just PM me now 15:30:38 <igorps> rbergeron: but I got no reply to that email 15:30:56 <rbergeron> igorps: I will reply on list 15:30:57 <rbergeron> okay 15:31:24 <igorps> rbergeron: thanks! So we can coordinate better there. 15:32:37 <igorps> In addition to my topics I would like to say that the April report was published 15:32:48 <igorps> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2011-04 15:33:31 <gbraad> ok, thanks for this 15:33:44 <gbraad> kaio, you had anything on your topics?\ 15:34:14 <kaio> no for famsco 15:34:56 <gbraad> topics for Pierros will be postponed 15:35:07 <gbraad> Neville's topics has been mentioned 15:35:16 <gbraad> so... moving on to... 15:35:24 <gbraad> #topic Open Floor 15:36:13 <gbraad> kaio, you had something? 15:37:15 <gbraad> anyone else? 15:37:19 <kaio> TW ambassadors are submitting presentation in COSCUP, an annual event for open source 15:37:49 <igorps> FUDCon Pamana will be on next week 15:38:04 <kaio> China is preparing release activities w/ swags 15:38:17 <igorps> so I'm not sure if me or yn1v will be able to attend to next meeting 15:38:35 <gbraad> igorps, no problem. 15:38:45 <gbraad> hopefully good news after the FUDCon ;-) 15:38:59 <gbraad> kaio, any link about these activities? 15:39:07 <igorps> gbraad: hope so! ;) 15:39:26 <kaio> I can attend but a few personal issues need to be resolved 15:39:31 <kaio> gbraad, hang on 15:39:59 <kaio> #link http://coscup.org/2009/zh-tw/program/ 15:40:20 <kaio> F15 release in China is not found 15:40:32 <kaio> the link 15:40:57 <gbraad> kaio, make sure to make this more public. ask on the local meeting to publish this on the planet 15:41:10 <kaio> gbraad, which 15:41:21 <gbraad> or maybe even on the microblog accounts 15:41:27 <kaio> I will assist promotions 15:42:05 <rbergeron> kaio: what do you mean f15 release in china is not found? 15:42:07 <gbraad> for APAC it should also visible to the Rest of the World that we have activities. so which is not an issue. 15:42:38 <kaio> url about F15 release activities in China is not found 15:43:34 <igorps> be sure they are listed here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_release_events#APAC 15:44:02 <gbraad> igorps, thanks. was looking for that one 15:44:39 <gbraad> I know of one activity, so I was curious about it being 'acitivities' 15:45:18 <gbraad> ok, so no more topics? if not... I will stop the meeting within 5 minutes 15:45:21 <igorps> another budget issue is that we need to provide budget for those release events 15:46:18 <gbraad> *argh*... 15:47:11 <gbraad> I will move this on list after this meeting 15:47:36 <igorps> Thanks, gbraad 15:47:54 <gbraad> I could like to end the meeting 15:48:00 <igorps> gbraad: +1 15:48:09 <gbraad> +1 15:48:59 <gbraad> Thanks all for attending 15:49:05 <gbraad> #endmeeting