14:31:24 <gbraad> #startmeeting FAmSCo
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14:31:33 <gbraad> #chair kaio igorps
14:31:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: gbraad igorps kaio
14:31:39 <kaio> thx
14:31:52 <gbraad> #chair yn1v
14:31:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: gbraad igorps kaio yn1v
14:31:55 <kaio> okay any agenda?
14:31:58 * yn1v say hello!
14:32:21 <igorps> yn1v: hello!
14:32:27 <gbraad> follow the scheduled agenda or just have an open floor
14:32:31 <gbraad> ?
14:32:38 <igorps> So you might have known that Larry resigned
14:33:09 <gbraad> #topic Open Floor
14:33:19 <igorps> so we can jump his topics, but need to reassign them
14:33:50 <yn1v> Larry!? how? When? Why?
14:34:01 <gbraad> I started the open floor topic due to this announcement
14:34:08 <gbraad> I also was not aware of this
14:34:32 <igorps> Yes and I feel really sorry about that
14:34:43 <gbraad> same feeling here.
14:34:53 <igorps> he sent an email to the advisory-list
14:34:58 * yn1v too
14:35:53 <igorps> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2011-May/010667.html
14:35:56 <gbraad> any motivations and any idea about who will take his tasks? is it effective immediately?
14:36:57 <igorps> We have a mentor pending to be approved as he requested
14:37:03 <kaio> resigned?
14:37:13 <gbraad> effective immediately.
14:37:35 <igorps> and also someone need to organize the mentor town halls
14:37:48 <gbraad> very unfortunate. I will add a task to discuss this further as it leaves a hole in FAmSCo
14:38:15 <igorps> we are actually running without two members
14:38:51 <kaio> I cannot take in next couple of weeks. After that I do my best but I am still unsure my personal stuffs.
14:38:52 <yn1v> yes, and attendance to meeting is low :(
14:38:55 <gbraad> #action Need to appoint tasks to other members within FAmSCo due to resignation. Need further dicussion on list
14:39:32 <igorps> gbraad: +1. The list is the best place to discuss it.
14:39:45 <yn1v> we need to use the list, I feel that famsco mailing list sometime people read but make no comment
14:39:48 <kaio> can we have another members to fill up the seats? unable to run w/o full house
14:39:53 <gbraad> things might have not been ideal for FAmSCo, but it does not mean we will give up
14:40:22 <gbraad> kaio, this is something we have to ask about. Especially since in this case the seat has been resigned and open.
14:40:43 <igorps> I happened before
14:40:57 <gbraad> igorps, which action was taken?
14:40:58 <igorps> And I think no election was made
14:41:11 <kaio> I didnt aware that also. As I was fighting in some personal tasks.
14:41:27 <kaio> so how many seats are empty?
14:41:32 <kaio> 2?
14:41:35 <gbraad> I do think we should consider, but before jumping to conclusions lets bring this to the list as I would like liknus's opinion in this matter
14:42:07 <kaio> +1
14:42:18 <igorps> kaio: one seat left by Larry
14:42:31 <igorps> but Rahul is away
14:42:34 <yn1v> Last famsco lost some people... I think that we can still run.
14:42:44 <igorps> yn1v: +1
14:43:07 <kaio> we suppose to stand no matter what
14:43:11 <yn1v> But we should look how to get need people before some else has problems
14:43:12 <igorps> I'm pretty sure we are able to do it
14:43:14 <gbraad> also, we need to post a message to the Ambassador's list needs to be informed about the townhalls and ask for someone to take the role. Agree?
14:43:38 <yn1v> yes
14:43:42 <igorps> +1
14:44:11 <gbraad> #action Inform the Ambassadors list for replacement for the coming town hall meetings.
14:44:24 <gbraad> can someone take this, so this can be sent today?
14:44:24 <igorps> Some ambassador from NA might want to take the lead on the Town Hall
14:44:37 <igorps> I can do it
14:44:38 <yn1v> I can take care of that later today
14:44:59 <igorps> yn1v: feel free to do it ;)
14:45:05 <gbraad> LOL... we can't split the task.
14:45:13 <gbraad> yn1v, great!
14:45:45 <yn1v> I think I can call on town halls and sort out later who will be more close time-wise to the different town halls
14:46:01 <gbraad> Let's also postpone the mentor discussion about vwbusguy. I'll talk to VileGent as he approached me about this before and see if we can host this discussion soon.
14:46:14 <gbraad> yn1v +1
14:46:34 <igorps> gbraad: +1
14:47:00 <gbraad> #action Gerard will take the task: "Present Scott Williams as a Mentor for North America for FAmSCo approval."
14:47:28 <igorps> By the way I placed a draft of the April report
14:47:35 <igorps> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2011-04
14:47:49 <gbraad> Thanks for this igorps
14:48:10 <gbraad> please all members, review the report and see where we can add additional information.
14:48:16 <gbraad> Any proposed deadline?
14:48:18 <igorps> If you have any regional news from April feel free to add to the news section
14:48:46 <igorps> I intend to publish it on Monday
14:48:57 <gbraad> ok.
14:49:49 <igorps> I also send a mail to FAmSCo ml about the FAD at the International Free Software Forum
14:50:09 <igorps> liknus said that it ok to fund ~1000 USD for it
14:50:14 <gbraad> Good idea
14:50:35 <igorps> so we need to cut the airfaire needs
14:51:02 <gbraad> Is any approval of us needed? I expect not, but let Liknus explain. So ML is ok for this
14:51:26 <igorps> I'd like to propose funding lodging for who is going to pay for the airfare
14:51:51 <igorps> and fund airfare for who lives closer to the city where it will take place
14:52:08 <igorps> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/161
14:52:10 <yn1v> I feel that we are back in a budget bottleneck again... Max has been busy and things that are beyond famsco just get hanging in the mailing list
14:52:23 <gbraad> just create the tickets and we will discuss this as roles will chnage.
14:52:50 <gbraad> I also feel yn1v's concerns, so lets create a action point
14:52:50 <igorps> gbraad: a ticket has been placed as well
14:53:05 <igorps> yn1v: I feel the same way
14:53:36 <gbraad> #action Appoint role of budget mover due to resignation and availability of spevack
14:53:43 <yn1v> should we say that we will try to run things under $ 1K so we can move forward?
14:53:57 <igorps> yn1v: +1
14:54:02 <gbraad> +1
14:54:10 <igorps> What I would like to know is that if you guys feel ok with this criteria for funding them
14:54:23 <kaio> yn1v, yes. I am waiting for 2 reimbursements also
14:54:29 <kaio> from haish
14:54:31 <kaio> harish
14:54:47 <igorps> since a cut is being made I'd rather do it transparently here
14:55:12 <yn1v> I haven't think about reimbursement :(
14:55:29 <kaio> spevack is going?
14:55:45 <yn1v> We can just move from approval bottle neck to reimbursement bottle neck
14:56:18 <gbraad> kaio, no. but spevack is a busy man
14:56:25 <kaio> scared me
14:56:34 <igorps> kaio: spevack is not going, larry has gone
14:56:35 <kaio> yes as harish
14:56:42 <kaio> busy also
14:56:43 <gbraad> yn1v, this is why someone needs to move the budget from beginning to end
14:57:20 <yn1v> I feel that I am hitting walls in every direction :(
14:57:41 <gbraad> I think we can not come to an agreement here, so let's move this to the next meeting.
14:57:51 <igorps> kaio: Larry was the one also responsible for the budget
14:58:02 <gbraad> I do not want to disregard the topic, but want a good view of all the issues.
14:58:38 <kaio> I want to think positive also.
14:59:08 <igorps> but specifically about the FAD do you guys agree with the cuts so we can move on with that?
14:59:23 <kaio> +1
14:59:27 <kaio> lets move on
14:59:30 <gbraad> igorps: you have my vote ! +!
14:59:30 <yn1v> +1
15:00:01 <igorps> Ok, so I will send another email to the FAmSCo ml and also update the ticket
15:01:12 <gbraad> does anyone have any topics to add? if not, lets move to regional announcements
15:01:32 <igorps> #action igorps to update ticket 161 and send an email to FAmSCo ml
15:01:52 <igorps> FUDCon Panama is getting closer
15:02:10 <igorps> and the local team is working on finishing the last details
15:02:42 <gbraad> good to hear. keep us up-to-date about requirements.
15:03:00 <igorps> ok
15:03:08 <yn1v> there anything for Fudcon Panama that need to be done from abroad ?
15:03:23 <gbraad> also want to remember FAmSCo members about an earlier request; would it be possible for us to visit the FUDCon and if so, what about travel expenses?
15:03:52 <igorps> yn1v: I'm working on keeping the wiki updated with information for who is coming from abroad
15:04:09 <yn1v> I meant task...
15:04:14 <yn1v> things to be done
15:05:38 <igorps> yn1v: not that I'm aware of. Just keeping people informed about what's going one and what is need to get there
15:06:20 <yn1v> gbraad, I will love to gather with all of you on Panama. having all Famsco members. But I have two concerns about that
15:06:21 <igorps> gbraad: the subsidy request time has closed already
15:06:56 <yn1v> First: is a budget issue and as igorps said the subsidy has alredy made
15:07:33 <yn1v> second: Probably europe or NA will be more cheaper to travel all of us.
15:08:01 <gbraad> Second is really an issue. Travel from China was insanely expensive
15:08:44 <gbraad> so, let's move on.
15:08:44 <igorps> gbraad: for sure
15:08:45 <yn1v> I feel the same way about central america... so it will be twice insanely
15:09:13 <yn1v> when it emea fudcon, probably we can aim to that event
15:09:24 <yn1v> when is ...
15:09:25 <igorps> considering the current FAmSCo formation, Europe would be the cheaper choice
15:10:22 <igorps> yn1v: early October
15:10:27 <gbraad> #action Discuss of FAmSCo meeting at the next FUDCon opportunity, e.g. cost for travel
15:11:34 <gbraad> anyone to add topics?
15:11:52 <igorps> yn1v: how is the librebus going?
15:12:21 <yn1v> today they are in Guatemala, activities have been great
15:12:32 <igorps> nice to hear!
15:12:46 <igorps> gbraad: nothing else to add from me
15:12:51 <yn1v> I made some stickers and media to be distributed
15:12:55 <gbraad> yn1v, kaio?
15:13:21 <yn1v> I am waiting to gather the las stuff on librebus tomorrow to write a report
15:13:28 <gbraad> yn1v good to hear Librebus is rolling ;-)
15:13:33 <yn1v> nothing more from me
15:13:40 <gbraad> kaio?
15:14:03 <igorps> librebus this is a really interesting initiative
15:14:19 <gbraad> from my side; Mozilla had a developer conference and Fedora is likely to sponsor a small part of this.
15:14:58 <yn1v> that's nice to hear
15:15:11 <gbraad> we had the opportunity to attend it and have our logo to appear on the LED board
15:15:44 <gbraad> unfortunately it was impossible to have a manned stand, but made good contacts with China Unix and other similar initiatives.
15:15:55 <igorps> those joint events is something that we need to foster
15:15:59 <gbraad> these contacts might come in handy for the possibility of FUDCon in China
15:16:15 <igorps> They usually end on good new initiatives
15:16:17 <gbraad> igorps, especially in China it is a good way.
15:16:56 <igorps> gbraad: +1
15:16:59 <gbraad> Open Source is still in it's infancies, so they can help to jumpstart branding/awareness for two groups
15:17:20 * gbraad forgot to add infancies in China
15:17:45 <gbraad> more talks are ongoing and hope they will result in a concrete plan soon
15:18:10 <igorps> In Brazil we usually do that way too and woks out pretty well
15:19:16 <gbraad> it is like piggybacking; but my idea is not to go on the cheap with it (for free), but split cost more efficiently and use knowledge between groups.
15:19:52 <gbraad> if nothing more to discuss, let's call it a day and end the meeting.
15:20:00 <igorps> gbraad: It seems a nice way to go indeed
15:20:13 <igorps> so let's wrap it up
15:20:35 <yn1v> yes... let's finish this meeting
15:20:41 <kaio> yes
15:20:44 <kaio> yes
15:20:57 <gbraad> Thank you all and let's move forward with the action points.
15:21:30 <gbraad> Tomorrow I would like to see if we can have some idea about the roles within FAmSCo due to the announcement.
15:21:39 <gbraad> Have a good day and see you next week.
15:21:45 <gbraad> #endmeeting