20:01:17 <cwickert> #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors meeting 2011-05-04
20:01:17 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed May  4 20:01:17 2011 UTC.  The chair is cwickert. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:01:29 <shaiton> i hope that the wiki outage won't affect the minutes
20:01:47 * cwickert wonders if he missed something
20:01:50 <elad661> shouldn't, the meetbot is not affected
20:02:44 <cwickert> #topic roll call
20:02:49 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
20:02:50 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
20:03:08 <elad661> .fas elad
20:03:08 <zodbot> elad661: jakhveladze 'George Jakhveladze' <giorgi.jakhveladze@gmail.com> - elad 'Elad Alfassa' <el.il@doom.co.il>
20:03:09 <cwickert> Please say your names to indicate your are alive and kicking
20:03:12 <shaiton> Kévin Raymond
20:03:24 <cwickert> any more ambassadors?
20:03:52 <cwickert> doesn't look like it
20:03:53 <richdb> Not official yet
20:04:04 <cwickert> .fas richdb
20:04:04 <zodbot> cwickert: 'richdb' Not Found!
20:04:15 <giallu> .fas giallu
20:04:15 <cwickert> richdb: but you are in FAS?
20:04:15 <zodbot> giallu: giallu 'Gianluca Sforna' <giallu@gmail.com>
20:04:30 <richdb> yep ..
20:04:37 <heffer> here, but just reading
20:04:46 <cwickert> richdb: what is your account name then?
20:04:56 <cwickert> heffer: at least something ;)
20:05:02 <richdb> also richdb
20:05:12 <cwickert> .fas richdb
20:05:13 <zodbot> cwickert: 'richdb' Not Found!
20:05:20 <cwickert> doesn't look like it
20:05:53 <cwickert> richdb: so you are to become an ambassador?
20:05:53 <richdb> Richdb maybe
20:06:00 <cwickert> .fas Richdb
20:06:01 <zodbot> cwickert: 'Richdb' Not Found!
20:06:09 <cwickert> nope
20:06:11 <GeroldKa> .fas geroldka
20:06:12 <richdb> yes ..
20:06:15 <zodbot> GeroldKa: geroldka 'Gerold Kassube' <gerold@lugd.org>
20:06:31 <cwickert> ok, then lets start
20:06:49 <cwickert> all: please follow the meeting protocol
20:06:51 <cwickert> see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol
20:07:16 <cwickert> we are only a few people, so we don't need to enforce the protocol that strict
20:07:43 <cwickert> the agenda for todays meeting is at
20:07:45 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2011-05-04
20:07:56 <cwickert> #topic Announcements
20:08:05 <giallu> 503 503...
20:08:31 <elad661> Wiki outage?
20:08:33 <shaiton> giallu, an outage is there right now
20:08:41 <shaiton> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2745
20:08:46 <cwickert> too bad
20:08:49 * giallu will look later
20:09:25 <cwickert> ok, thanks god I still had that page open, so here it is: http://fpaste.org/1TnO/
20:09:31 <cwickert> doesn't look nice but will do
20:09:42 <cwickert> one announcement from me
20:10:03 <cwickert> if you are from EMEA and you want to go to LinuxTag in Berlin please contact me
20:10:14 <cwickert> because many people who wanted to come have canceled it
20:10:24 <cwickert> and we are looking for more ambassadors there
20:10:33 * elad661 wishes he could afford the flight
20:10:44 <cwickert> elad661: where are you from?
20:10:48 <shaiton> same here
20:10:50 <elad661> Israel
20:11:20 <cwickert> shaiton, elad661: we can talk about this later, there is a possibility that Fedora takes over the costs
20:11:30 <cwickert> depending on how much it is
20:11:39 <cwickert> the important thing is that you have time next week
20:11:50 <cwickert> more announcements anybody?
20:12:16 <cwickert> ok, moving on...
20:12:31 <cwickert> #topic Ambassadors Schedule
20:12:39 <cwickert> #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-ambassadors-tasks.html
20:12:55 <cwickert> at least that page is online ;)
20:13:31 <cwickert> the F15 release event submission deadline has been extended by two weeks
20:13:44 <cwickert> this means it ends in 2 days from now
20:13:54 <cwickert> if you want to submit an event, please do
20:14:29 <cwickert> does anybody know something about FAmSCo Regional IRC town halls?
20:14:41 <cwickert> rbergeron: what is "FAmSCo Regional IRC town halls"?
20:14:53 * giallu does not know
20:15:20 <cwickert> ok, but from the ambassador's side everything looks good
20:15:28 <cwickert> we have already done what we need to do
20:15:37 <cwickert> now it's FAmSCos turn
20:15:45 <cwickert> there also is the "FAmSCo Review Budget Allocations" item
20:15:47 <rbergeron> cwickert: so i think the intent was to have each region do irc meetings with ambassadors or other interested folks ...
20:15:51 <rbergeron> to cover things like
20:16:00 <rbergeron> features, etc.
20:16:20 <rbergeron> basically give peoople an opportunity to ask questions as we get close o release
20:16:26 <cwickert> rbergeron: what features? F15 features?
20:16:30 <rbergeron> before they have release parties, etc.
20:16:42 <cwickert> do you know if this will happen?
20:16:45 <rbergeron> i dont think anyone has ever actually *held* a town hall, though
20:16:58 <cwickert> me hasn't heard of it
20:17:04 <rbergeron> cwickert: yeah, probably
20:17:09 <cwickert> anyway, we are fine
20:17:09 <giallu> me neither
20:17:27 <rbergeron> i think it had originated in famna - it's certainly emea's call as to if they want to do that
20:17:40 <cwickert> is see
20:17:44 <rbergeron> i will probably remove it if nobody is ever dooing it
20:17:57 <rbergeron> since afaik this is the second time it's been in the schedule
20:17:58 <cwickert> #action cwickert to send out a reminder for release events deadline and remind people to file budget requests for their events
20:18:31 <cwickert> #topic Update on F15 Media production
20:18:38 <cwickert> ok, now for the media
20:18:59 <cwickert> spot mostly finished the multi-media-creator
20:19:06 <cwickert> and has is tested by rel-eng
20:19:16 * cwickert is very happy and grateful
20:19:23 <giallu> so one DVD for all the spins?
20:19:24 <shaiton> :)
20:19:35 <cwickert> yes, and dual arch
20:19:40 <giallu> great
20:19:44 <cwickert> the install dvds will be also on one dvd
20:19:53 <cwickert> and we have automatic selection of the architecture
20:20:06 <shaiton> great feature
20:20:09 <cwickert> so if your pc can do 64bits, it will be booted by default
20:20:17 <cwickert> you can still select an architecture
20:20:23 <cwickert> this is going to rock!
20:20:29 <cwickert> as for the timeline
20:20:47 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Schedule
20:20:51 <cwickert> damn, it's down, too
20:21:04 <cwickert> but the compose should happen on May, 10th
20:21:24 <cwickert> so if I can get the images from rel-eng somehow, we can have media in time
20:21:40 <cwickert> well, if the creation goes well and testing is positive
20:21:54 <cwickert> I think the final compose should be done ~ 15th
20:22:03 <cwickert> this is 9 days till release
20:22:19 <cwickert> media company says they need 9 or 10 days
20:22:31 <giallu> that would rock. I assume "we can have" means in your hands
20:22:31 <cwickert> I haven't heard of the design-team though
20:22:43 <cwickert> right giallu, in my hands
20:22:46 <giallu> k
20:22:54 <cwickert> they are only shipping to Germany
20:23:03 <cwickert> I will distribute the media ASAP
20:23:22 <cwickert> but depending on the parcel service and your location it can take a week
20:23:34 <cwickert> still fast compared to previous releases though
20:23:39 <cwickert> I will do my best
20:23:48 <shaiton> thank you :)
20:23:50 <giallu> thsnk you in advance for that!
20:24:15 <cwickert> #info people should file F15 media requests at https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ already and assign them to cwickert
20:24:31 <shaiton> ?
20:24:36 <cwickert> #action cwickert to send out mail about primary distribution
20:24:45 <cwickert> shaiton: yes please
20:24:51 <shaiton> how to know how many we could ask for?...
20:25:10 <cwickert> depends on how many you can distribute
20:25:16 <shaiton> I mean, I want every regions to have enough, not asking too much
20:25:17 <shaiton> eof
20:25:30 <cwickert> we will have more media than ever before :)
20:25:45 <shaiton> but before france never asked for...
20:26:02 <cwickert> the primary shipment was between 300 and 400 to each person
20:26:11 <cwickert> and these persons distributed them in their countries
20:26:36 <cwickert> so it depends on the size of your community and the number of events
20:26:38 <shaiton> while we usually produced (and spread) around 800 pieces (even 1000)
20:26:56 <cwickert> we have 6000 in total
20:27:09 <cwickert> I want at least 1000 for Africa
20:27:27 <cwickert> I think we should be able to ship ~600 to france
20:27:41 <shaiton> ok, you ll let you see if I am asking too much, no problem at all :)
20:27:47 <cwickert> shaiton: are the french people doinf their own media, too?
20:27:49 <shaiton> (filling tickets would help)
20:28:11 <shaiton> cwickert, not anymore
20:28:26 <cwickert> ok, I think we can help you
20:28:27 <shaiton> (waiting for RH answer... renaming etc)
20:28:33 <shaiton> great thanks
20:28:35 <cwickert> sad story indeed....
20:28:53 <shaiton> that would be solved
20:28:53 <cwickert> anything on media?
20:29:04 <cwickert> #topic Events
20:29:13 <cwickert> there is 2 big events next week
20:29:26 <cwickert> LinuxTag in Berlin and Solutions Linux in Paris
20:29:31 <cwickert> lets rock them!
20:29:44 <cwickert> we have everything organized for LinuxTag
20:29:54 <shaiton> yep! would be awesom
20:29:56 <cwickert> and without the wiki there is not much I can tell
20:30:02 <shaiton> all it's fine for Solution Linux too
20:30:17 <cwickert> #topic F15 Release events
20:30:39 <cwickert> #info remember, the deadline for F15 release events is 2011-05-06
20:31:02 <cwickert> #info you can still submit events at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_release_events
20:31:13 <cwickert> the wiki being down really sucks :(
20:31:19 * shaiton thanks cwickert for having fulled the wiki about paris event
20:31:47 <cwickert> anything more on release events?
20:31:52 <giallu> one Q
20:31:58 <cwickert> go ahead
20:32:25 <giallu> what exactly we may ask to be reimbursed?
20:32:54 * cwickert likes to say "look into the wiki", but...
20:33:01 <giallu> ehehe
20:33:19 <giallu> foo? beverages?
20:33:24 <giallu> food even
20:33:26 <cwickert> onec the wiki is up again you can find the info at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Reimbursements
20:33:39 <giallu> ok. thanks
20:34:15 <cwickert> for release events this is also covered in the wiki
20:34:29 <cwickert> not at the F15 page but at a general page that is linked from there
20:34:47 <cwickert> and yes, you can get reimbursed for food and drinks :)
20:35:07 <giallu> ok great
20:35:12 <cwickert> #topic Action items from previous meetings
20:35:30 * cwickert looks at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-04-20/fedora-meeting.2011-04-20-20.03.html
20:35:44 <cwickert> DONE: cwickert to write a reminder about the release events to the ambassadors list
20:35:53 <cwickert> #DONE: cwickert to update the Linux-Tag wiki page with status and hotel information
20:35:59 * shaiton has not seen anything about EMEA FUDCon
20:36:30 <cwickert> info about LinuxTag is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxTag_Survival_Kit
20:36:51 <cwickert> NOT DONE: fcrippa to send a mail about further FUDCon Milan planning to all relevant mailing lists
20:36:58 <giallu> shaiton, fcrippa sent a mail today to the italian ML asking for ideas about dates.
20:37:11 <giallu> current candidates are 2-4 September
20:37:12 <cwickert> giallu: anything more on that?
20:37:18 <giallu> or early october
20:37:59 <cwickert> ok, this leaves us and the Italian fellows time for planning
20:38:08 <giallu> it seems we will be meeting weekly to keep the ball rolling
20:38:08 <cwickert> #action cwickert to contact media company again on the specs for media art
20:38:13 <cwickert> #undo
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20:38:18 <cwickert> DONE cwickert to contact media company again on the specs for media art
20:38:37 <cwickert> I have received an answer from the media company
20:38:48 <cwickert> however I have not spoken with the design team yet
20:38:59 <cwickert> rbergeron: do you know the status of the F15 media art?
20:39:13 <cwickert> #action cwickert to get in touch with the design-team about media art
20:39:28 <cwickert> so for the action items I did all I could :)
20:39:31 <giallu> cwickert, I've seen progress on the list, don't think it's final yeyt
20:39:41 <giallu> re media art
20:39:43 <cwickert> 3 out of 3 items done ;)
20:39:52 <cwickert> giallu: ok, thanks
20:40:16 * cwickert looks at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-04-06/fedora-meeting.2011-04-06-20.06.html
20:40:27 <cwickert> NOT DONE arthurbuliva to add a wiki page for his GNOME 3 Release event in Nairobi
20:40:36 <cwickert> DONE t2hot to add his events to the wiki
20:40:43 <cwickert> DONE liknus to send cwickert buttons
20:40:56 <cwickert> well, not really done, but they will arrive on Firday
20:41:01 <cwickert> Friday
20:41:15 <cwickert> no more action items left
20:41:26 <cwickert> #topic  Open floor
20:41:28 <rbergeron> cwickert: i'll find out
20:41:29 <rbergeron> mo is here
20:41:52 <cwickert> rbergeron: can you also ask them if there is a list of media art they know they have to create?
20:42:35 <cwickert> rbergeron: I am worried about https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/170 because nobody from the design-team seems to have looked at it
20:42:48 <rbergeron> cwickert: will do. i don't know when i'll be seeing mo next but i should see her about tonight or tomorrow morning
20:42:50 <cwickert> ok, anything for open floor=
20:42:52 <cwickert> ?
20:42:57 <cwickert> thanks rbergeron
20:43:03 <rbergeron> cwickert: did you try mailng the list about the status of the ticket?
20:43:19 * rbergeron is just checking, haven't read design-list in detail lately
20:43:21 <cwickert> rbergeron: no, because they do not allow submissions by non-members
20:43:34 <giallu> http://inkscaper.fedorapeople.org/Fedora15/Fedora-15-installationmedia-32c.png
20:43:42 <giallu> this is one of the latest iterations
20:44:05 <rbergeron> cwickert: gotcha
20:44:30 <cwickert> rbergeron: they could easily open their list for everybody with an fp.o adress, but they don't
20:44:49 <cwickert> giallu: cool, there even it the artwork for the multi-desktop spin
20:45:07 <rbergeron> cwickert: so is your question answered with that link? or still ned me to investigate?
20:45:37 <giallu> anyway it's not final
20:45:40 * nirik notes wiki should be bad.
20:45:42 <nirik> back
20:45:47 <cwickert> rbergeron: no, I'll get in touch with inkscaper directly
20:45:59 <cwickert> nirik: too late, we are almost done
20:46:24 <cwickert> seems like they have not understood the concept of the multi desktop spin
20:46:41 <cwickert> because it says "32bit" and "64bit" while it is both
20:46:46 <giallu> yeah
20:46:47 <cwickert> but we can fix this
20:46:54 <cwickert> thanks for the link giallu
20:46:56 <giallu> I'll mail the list if you like
20:47:29 <cwickert> giallu: lets talk after the meeting because I have the requirements from the media company
20:47:34 <giallu> k
20:47:38 <cwickert> ok, anything for open floor?
20:47:56 <richdb> one question ..
20:48:32 <cwickert> go ahead richdb
20:49:07 <richdb> i will try to have a Fedora release party, but i not know it before 6 may ..
20:49:25 <richdb> is it then possible to give one or not ?
20:50:00 <cwickert> richdb: I suggest you add it to the wiki and file a ticket for the expenses because you can still cancel the event later
20:50:02 <cwickert> ok?
20:50:22 <richdb> ok thx
20:50:45 <shaiton> richdb, are you asking that because you're not yet an amba?
20:51:07 <cwickert> no, I think he is asking because of the deadline
20:51:14 <richdb> also .. and its all new for me ..
20:51:22 <shaiton> ok, welcome!
20:51:27 <cwickert> richdb: we will assist you
20:51:40 <cwickert> don't worry, if you have questions, we are here for you
20:51:46 <cwickert> ok, anything else?
20:52:08 * cwickert will close the meeting in 3 minutes if nothing comes up
20:52:09 <shaiton> !
20:52:16 <cwickert> shoot shaiton
20:52:32 <shaiton> I've read months ago about an event page redesigned...
20:52:45 <shaiton> is it still on the way? Or already done? oO
20:52:58 <cwickert> 2 problems here
20:52:59 * shaiton don't find it really easy to read
20:53:05 <cwickert> we want en events calendar
20:53:25 <cwickert> and AFAIK this is to be done in the Fedora CMS we are developing based on Drupal
20:53:30 <giallu> shaiton, not sure if it's same thing, but there is a GSoC project for creating an event handling system
20:53:43 <cwickert> giallu: oh, I didn't know that
20:53:56 <shaiton> should be nice :)
20:53:57 <giallu> let me dig a link
20:54:00 <cwickert> anyway, the calendar will not be in the wiki
20:54:11 <cwickert> however some info needs to remain in the wiki
20:54:17 <giallu> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_coding_ideas_for_2011#Create_a_Fedora_Events_System
20:55:09 <cwickert> I think that https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events won't play an important role in the future
20:55:20 <cwickert> however we need event pages in the wiki for organization
20:55:29 <cwickert> and I would like to see templates for event pages
20:55:45 <shaiton> yep sure
20:55:59 <cwickert> this means a common header and a infobox with the most important facts
20:56:12 <cwickert> similar to the infoboxes we have on the userpages
20:56:25 <cwickert> if somebody has free time to do this and some wiki skills, please go ahead
20:57:15 * shaiton is not skilled for that
20:57:23 <cwickert> #info we want templates for event pages, e.g. a common info box with all facts about date, time and location. if somebody has wiki skills and some free time, please go ahead
20:57:34 <cwickert> I will bring this up on the list
20:57:47 <shaiton> ok
20:57:56 <cwickert> #action cwickert to bring the idea of common event pages up on the wiki
20:58:01 <cwickert> ok, one more thing
20:58:17 * cwickert nearly forgot the most important thing
20:58:28 <cwickert> I ordered new Ambassadors Polos today
20:58:45 <cwickert> if somebody needs one, please drop me a mail
20:59:27 <cwickert> #info cwickert ordered new ambassador polo shirts. drop him a mail if you need one and are not on the list at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Polo_Shirt
20:59:35 <cwickert> sorry if this comes by surprise
20:59:41 <cwickert> but we really had to hurry
20:59:56 <cwickert> and if I ask two weeks on the mailing list, we won't have any shirts
21:00:12 <cwickert> bit we have produced more than we need so there should be some left for people
21:00:23 <cwickert> ok, that's all I think
21:00:30 <cwickert> questions, comments, rants?
21:00:50 <giallu> do you think it is posible to have a female cut polo?
21:01:05 <giallu> we have one in italy
21:01:14 <giallu> one female ambassador I mean...
21:01:19 <cwickert> giallu: generally yes, but we didn't order it
21:01:30 <cwickert> what size does she need?
21:01:32 <giallu> k. I'll ping her just in case
21:01:52 <cwickert> ok, if you can get back to me by tomorrow, I might be able to do it
21:02:04 <giallu> not sure about the size, will  try to contact her now
21:02:22 <cwickert> otherwise she will have to wait until the next order
21:02:34 <giallu> ok
21:02:38 <cwickert> ok then
21:02:41 <cwickert> #endmeeting