19:30:19 <adamw> #startmeeting F15 release schedule special meeting
19:30:19 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Mar 23 19:30:19 2011 UTC.  The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:30:25 <adamw> #topic intro / roll call
19:30:40 <adamw> hi all, we're having a quick meeting to discuss slipping F15's schedule as we're seriously behind with the Beta schedule
19:30:48 <adamw> class, roll call!
19:31:07 <liknus> meeting is on here?
19:31:08 <dgilmore> hola
19:31:08 * jsmith is here
19:31:21 <liknus> we have an EMEA meeting in 30 mins
19:31:28 <adamw> liknus: yup, this won't take that long
19:31:33 <jsmith> liknus: We'll be speedy, I promise!
19:31:34 <adamw> we'll be out of your way
19:31:37 <liknus> ok cool :)
19:31:45 <liknus> take your time people
19:31:57 <adamw> rbergeron: wake up and stop chewing gum!
19:32:54 <adamw> oh well, robin'll show up soon. we have: adamw representing qa, dgilmore representing releng, jsmith as fpl
19:32:58 <adamw> #topic The Situation
19:33:39 <adamw> so fesco voted earlier to ship NetworkManager 0.9 in f15, but a proposed NM 0.9 build which has a version of the 0.8 API available so knetworkmanager can work with it
19:33:54 <adamw> this feature is not yet ready; dcbw promises to have it done by Friday morning
19:34:20 <dgilmore> so we wont be able to get tc until friday afternoon evening
19:34:30 <adamw> in practice that would mean late friday would be the very earliest we could deliver a Beta TC; that would be three days behind schedule. we'd very likely wind up not managing to get a TC out that day, what with murphy and all.
19:35:11 <adamw> we have no Beta bits to test yet at all, and RC is currently due on 2011-03-31; qa is very sceptical we'd be able to hit that, with the current delays.
19:35:28 <adamw> so, we'd like to propose slipping the whole schedule, from TC delivery onwards, by a week
19:35:48 <adamw> exact details / dates in my email - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-March/098098.html
19:35:58 * dgilmore sadly thinks we have to also
19:36:10 <jsmith> A very reluctant +1 to slipping a week
19:36:57 <adamw> we've tried to shoehorn the whole process into a compressed time when we got behind before, and it's never worked out
19:37:09 <adamw> so we think just doing the slip right now and sticking to the modified schedule will be better
19:37:50 <adamw> okay, so releng, fpl and qa are all +1 to a slip
19:38:08 <dgilmore> yes
19:38:08 <adamw> #agreed we will slip F15 schedule, from Beta TC delivery onwards, by a week
19:38:18 <adamw> #topic Implementing slip
19:38:24 <adamw> jsmith: will you be announcing the slip as usual?
19:38:33 <jlaska> Boo to slipping, Yay to properly dealing with late changes :)
19:38:41 <jsmith> adamw: Happy to do it.
19:38:44 <adamw> cool
19:38:49 <jsmith> adamw: (OK, that's a lie, but I'll do it)
19:38:51 <adamw> #action jsmith to announce slip to appropriate lists etc
19:38:51 <rbergeron> adamw: on phone with boss :)
19:38:56 * rbergeron is +1 to a slip
19:39:00 * jsmith is writing an email to his boss as well
19:39:02 <adamw> rbergeron: ok, sorry, i'll just give you some work :P
19:39:25 <adamw> #action rbergeron adjust schedules (http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/ )
19:41:05 <adamw> #topic any other business
19:41:11 <adamw> okay, i think that's everything...anything else to settle?
19:41:28 <dgilmore> nope
19:41:32 <jsmith> Nothing from my end
19:41:45 <adamw> alrighty, everyone back to pretending to work! :P
19:41:53 <Venemo> lol adamw
19:42:04 <adamw> #endmeeting