15:00:24 <jlaska> #startmeeting Fedora Quality Assurance meeting
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15:00:28 <jlaska> #meetingname fedora-qa
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15:00:32 <jlaska> #topic Roll call...
15:00:37 * brunowolff is here
15:00:39 * tflink is here
15:00:40 * kparal here again
15:00:44 <jlaska> Howdy folks ... show of electronic hands time
15:00:47 <jlaska> <jazz hands>
15:00:49 * jsmith is here
15:00:56 <vhumpa> \me is here too
15:01:04 <vhumpa> snap :)
15:01:09 * vhumpa is here too
15:02:29 * rbergeron waves
15:02:42 <jlaska> howdy brunowolff tflink kparal jsmith vhumpa rbergeron  :)
15:02:49 <jlaska> who are we missing ...
15:03:16 <jlaska> Viking-Ice, robatino, jskladan and adamw
15:03:23 <jlaska> anyone else I'm unintentionally forgetting?
15:03:44 <vhumpa> I guess the chinese folk never joins :)
15:04:04 <jlaska> vhumpa: no ... this meeting time is very *inconvenient* for them :(
15:04:20 <jlaska> anyone interesting in hosting a Beijing-friendly meeting time :)
15:05:03 <jlaska> okay, let's get moving
15:05:15 <jlaska> I don't have any big updates on the agenda, and didn't send out the agenda until this morning
15:05:27 <jlaska> which I fully recognize does not provide ample notice for folks to pitch topics
15:05:35 * jlaska will don the cone of shame
15:06:18 <jlaska> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
15:06:25 <jlaska> I have no notes from our previous meeting
15:06:53 * thomasj lurks
15:07:12 <jlaska> Perhaps a check-in to see if Viking-Ice has heard back on his bugzilla RFE (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=679898)
15:07:15 <jlaska> thomasj: welcome :)
15:07:22 <thomasj> o/ :)
15:07:54 <jlaska> anything else I'm missing from last week
15:07:57 <jlaska> if not ... let's move on
15:08:10 <jlaska> #topic Thursday, March 17 - F-15 pre-beta acceptance test
15:08:21 <jlaska> Just a quick status update on last weeks pre-beta acceptance milestone
15:08:27 <jlaska> #link https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/4530
15:08:49 <jlaska> #info Unfortunately, due to several issues, the milestone was missed
15:09:05 <jlaska> I've noted it on the QA retrospective page, along with the two issues I think directly contributed to the miss
15:09:10 <jlaska> .bug 684742
15:09:12 <zodbot> jlaska: Bug 684742 glibc dynamic library loading bug causes installs to fail - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=684742
15:09:19 <jlaska> and https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/572
15:09:54 <jlaska> #info The first issue (684742), has a new lorax build pending testing - https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/lorax-0.3.2-1.fc15
15:10:32 <jlaska> I don't know the latest on the NM-0.9 change, other than the anaconda team will be reverting their NM-0.9 patches and submitting a new anaconda build so we can proceed with our upcoming test milestones
15:10:45 <jlaska> if anyone has the latest on the NM-0.9, feel free to share
15:11:42 <jlaska> okay, this sounds like it's going to be a quick meeting :)
15:11:51 <jlaska> bueller ...
15:12:21 <jlaska> I'll touch on the upcoming F-15-Beta 'test compose' milestone in a moment ...
15:12:27 <jlaska> #topic Upcoming QA events
15:12:30 <jlaska> #info Tuesday, March 22 - Beta 'Test Compose'
15:12:35 <jlaska> #link https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/4533
15:12:48 * kparal celebrates new compose to test! :-)
15:12:56 <jlaska> Obviously, this milestone, scheduled to start tomorrow, is impacted by the same stuff that blocked last weeks test milestone
15:13:13 * rbergeron nods
15:13:16 <jlaska> so if we can get a new anaconda today, and have it and lorax tested in bodhi ... we should be good to go
15:13:23 <rbergeron> And if we don't? :)
15:13:28 <jlaska> DOOM!
15:13:32 <rbergeron> OH NOES
15:13:43 <jsmith> Yeah... let's hope we can get all the ducks in a row
15:13:52 <jlaska> well, certainly not DOOM ... but missing two milestones in a row tends to be a good indicator
15:14:05 <jsmith> Yeah... it makes me nervous
15:14:12 <jlaska> I hate always forcing ourselves into needing miracles to get things out
15:14:31 <rbergeron> http://www.beefymiracle.com <-- might be helpful if we need a miracle
15:14:40 <tflink> well, we just have to ramp up pixie dust production
15:14:42 <rbergeron> actually, scratch that.
15:14:48 <jlaska> This is a great time to plug the retrospective ... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective :)
15:14:55 <rbergeron> http://www.beefymiracle.org :)
15:14:56 <jlaska> tflink: indeed!
15:14:57 <brunowolff> Gnome3 and systemd are big changes.
15:15:04 <jlaska> they sure are
15:15:07 * rbergeron nods
15:15:39 <jlaska> on the meeting wiki, I have the F-15-Beta 'test compose' listed as AT-RISK
15:15:56 <jlaska> but if we line up fixes for the issues discussed, that most likely would move to "WINNING!"
15:15:58 <rbergeron> jlaska: how likely are we thinking it is to get a new anaconda and get it and lorax tested?
15:16:10 <rbergeron> (today)
15:16:20 <jlaska> rbergeron: clumens and I are testing custom-built images right now ... so that will account for 2 karma points
15:16:36 <jlaska> I can send a link to the boot.iso to test@ for anyone else who has time to provide karma
15:16:57 <jlaska> I *think* that's all we'll need to ensure those updates are tested and moved into the 'stable' repo
15:17:06 <tflink> I can test it out for another karma point
15:17:07 <rbergeron> jlaska: sure, and if you want to send me a short "something to say" I can push it out on twitter/identi.ca
15:17:15 <jlaska> tflink: okay, I'll make a note to send this to the list later today
15:17:24 <jlaska> rbergeron: good thinking, I'll let you know
15:17:41 <jlaska> #action jlaska - provide updated boot.iso for testing new lorax+anaconda builds so testers can provide karma
15:17:52 <jlaska> next up ...
15:17:54 <jlaska> #info Thursday, March 24 - Power Management Test Day
15:17:57 <jlaska> #link http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/170
15:18:06 <jlaska> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-24
15:18:25 <jlaska> Kudos to jskarvad, the test day wiki looks in good shape
15:18:43 * rbergeron nods
15:18:59 <jlaska> There are a good list of test cases, so it seems we'll just need to get the word out next
15:19:07 * kparal is curious about hibernation results
15:19:24 <jlaska> if anyone wants to blog about the event ... please don't hesitate
15:19:36 <jlaska> #info Friday, March 25 - F-15-Beta Blocker #3
15:19:45 <jlaska> #link See task#36 - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-quality-tasks.html
15:20:02 <jlaska> the  blocker train continues this Friday for the third installment of the blocker reviews
15:20:19 <jlaska> thanks to all who join and help make these meetings less painful!
15:20:41 <jlaska> and thanks to testers/maintainers who provide clear + concise details in the bug that help us determine the impact
15:21:17 <jlaska> The proposed list is looking small-ish presently ... but I suspect will change once we have installer images to test
15:22:08 <jlaska> Two test days scheduled for next week ...
15:22:17 <jlaska> #info Tuesday, March 29 - Printing Test Day  - http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/172
15:22:51 <jlaska> This needs an update, anyone want to volunteer to check-in with twaugh?
15:23:51 <jlaska> anyone?
15:23:54 <tflink> I can do that
15:24:02 <jlaska> tflink: sweet, thanks!
15:24:10 <jlaska> tflink: feel free to #action yourself
15:24:26 <jlaska> tflink: I think we just need a reminder to twaugh that the event is coming and a pointer to the SOP
15:24:48 <jlaska> #info Thursday, March 31 - ABRT RetraceServer Test Day - http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/165
15:25:04 <tflink> #action tflink to check in with twaugh on preparations for printing test day
15:25:07 <jlaska> the ABRT retrace server support will be pretty cool, I'm looking forward to this test day
15:25:14 <jlaska> tflink: thx
15:25:20 <jlaska> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-31_ABRT_Retrace_Server
15:25:22 <tflink> jlaska: np
15:25:53 <jlaska> I know we have plenty of test cases for ABRT already, but I don't know if updates are needed for the new retrace-server support
15:26:22 <kparal> I can talk to the guys if something is needed about this test day
15:26:29 <kparal> I have them here locally
15:26:30 <jlaska> kparal: you beat me to it ..
15:26:41 <jlaska> kparal: do you mind checking in with jmoskovc to see what he needs
15:27:01 <jlaska> kparal: if massive wiki test case updates are needed, lemme know, I might be able to script something for convenience
15:27:06 <kparal> #action kparal to check with jmoskovc what is needed about ABRT test day
15:27:23 <jlaska> Well ... that concludes my QA events boring topic :)
15:27:29 <jlaska> now on to stuff from you folks ...
15:27:35 <jlaska> #topic Open discussion - <your topic here>
15:27:48 <jlaska> kparal: thanks for grabbing that #action
15:28:07 <jlaska> Anything not already discussed that folks want to raise in the meeting?
15:28:18 <tflink> I sent an email to xen@ to ask about dom0 support status for F15
15:28:38 <tflink> and asking them to help create some test cases
15:28:56 <jlaska> Oh right, have you heard back?
15:29:07 <tflink> I got a pretty ambiguous response back, though and it's not clear what support is going to look like
15:29:32 <tflink> from what I can tell, there won't be full mainline kernel support until .40
15:29:36 <jlaska> tflink: are the changes user-visible ... aside from switching a flag to virt-install ?
15:30:06 <tflink> not sure, the easiest way to find out might be to just install it myself and see if it works
15:30:08 <jlaska> tflink: and .38 will be F-15 GA, right?
15:30:17 <brunowolff> I can
15:30:26 <tflink> I hope we don't slip far enough to get .39
15:30:29 <brunowolff> I can't see us having .39 by release.
15:30:45 <brunowolff> But we should be at least at 40 for f16.
15:30:48 <jlaska> #info tflink provided an update on reaching out xen@ for thoughts on providing F-15 xen-virt test cases
15:30:57 <jlaska> brunowolff: yeah, I would think so
15:31:24 <tflink> most of the kernel stuff will be in by .39 which should work for xen dom0 with some extra user level driver packages
15:31:49 <jlaska> tflink: thanks for following up on that
15:31:56 <tflink> jlaska: np
15:32:26 <jlaska> #info jlaska reached out to design-team on bug#677080 ('F14' artwork is shown during F-15 installation)
15:32:45 <jlaska> I still need to get a hold of someone, just to make sure that's on their radar
15:33:05 <jlaska> anything else folks want to share?
15:33:26 * rbergeron holds out a plate of cookies
15:33:32 <jlaska> cookie!
15:34:26 * jlaska suspect kparal has some news to share ... but that'll be landing next week
15:34:54 <kparal> actually this week, as blog and emails to mailing list
15:35:05 <jlaska> cool, can't wait to hear the news!!
15:35:10 <kparal> :)
15:35:17 * jlaska doesn't want to spoil the surprise
15:35:25 <vhumpa> Getting married? ;-)
15:35:33 <jlaska> hopa!
15:35:56 <rbergeron> hopa?
15:35:58 <jlaska> #info kparal has some exciting news queued ... stay tuned to planet.fp.org and test@
15:36:03 <kparal> vhumpa: married for work, you mean, right? :)
15:36:07 <vhumpa> I hope that is not the case, cause that would totally screw the surprise :)
15:36:29 <vhumpa> Yes, and divorcing with your take-a-break applet ;)
15:36:41 <brunowolff> Have you guys been using the QA Test Spin this cycle?
15:36:43 <jlaska> rbergeron: sorry, bad humor ... isn't that a popular wedding phrase for greek weddings?
15:36:43 <kparal> gnome-shell is about to eat that applet
15:36:48 <brunowolff> Does it need any changes?
15:37:22 <jlaska> brunowolff: iirc, that spin kickstart is the basis for any custom test day live images
15:37:24 <kparal> brunowolff: I think adamw built it this cycle a few times, but I'm not completely sure
15:37:26 <brunowolff> That should be Test Day Spin.
15:37:29 <jlaska> yeah
15:37:51 <rbergeron> i think it's opa :)
15:37:53 <jlaska> #info brunowolff asked about the status of the QA Test Day Spin - the kickstart is used as the basis for custom-built test day live images
15:37:56 <jlaska> rbergeron: that's the one :)
15:38:07 <brunowolff> OK. I was just checking, since I am sort of on the hook for that and figured I should check every once
15:38:08 * jlaska shows he's not greek
15:38:17 <brunowolff> in a while to make sure things are OK with it.
15:38:18 <jlaska> brunowolff: thanks for asking about that
15:39:07 <jlaska> okay gang ... I'm setting the fuse for 2 minutes
15:39:12 <jlaska> if no other topics, we'll close out for today
15:39:18 <jlaska> #topic Last call ... (2mins)
15:40:19 <jlaska> 1 minute until #endmeeting
15:40:33 * jsmith has nothing further to add
15:42:09 <jlaska> okay, thanks everyone
15:42:14 <jlaska> I'll send minutes to the list as usual
15:42:18 <jlaska> #endmeeting