13:06:34 <liknus> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2011-02-19
13:06:34 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Feb 19 13:06:34 2011 UTC.  The chair is liknus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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13:06:40 <liknus> #meetingname famsco
13:06:40 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco'
13:06:42 <liknus> Hello all!
13:06:48 <liknus> #topic RollCall
13:06:50 <liknus> who is here?
13:06:50 <igorps> Hello there!
13:06:55 <liknus> .fas ppapadeas
13:06:55 <zodbot> liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' <ppapadeas@gmail.com>
13:06:57 <gbraad-china> .fas gbraad
13:06:58 <zodbot> gbraad-china: gbraad 'Gerard Braad (吉拉德)' <fedora@gbraad.nl>
13:07:02 <igorps> .fas igorps
13:07:02 <zodbot> igorps: igor 'Igor Pires Soares' <igor@projetofedora.org>
13:07:18 <liknus> kaio_, ?
13:07:29 <gbraad-china> yn1v
13:07:29 <liknus> Larry is not here? also Rahul?
13:07:35 <kaio_> .fasinfo kaio
13:07:36 <zodbot> kaio_: User: kaio, Name: Caius Chance, email: me@kaio.net, Creation: 2008-09-10, IRC Nick: kaio, Timezone: Australia/Brisbane, Locale: en, Extension: 5114286, GPG key ID: 17BEFCFA, Status: active
13:07:40 <zodbot> kaio_: Unapproved Groups: art
13:07:44 <zodbot> kaio_: Approved Groups: freemedia cvsl10n famsco cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs hgflies packager cla_redhat ambassadors l10n-commits @packager-zh
13:07:56 <igorps> I'm not seeing them
13:08:00 <gbraad-china> liknus, both not here.
13:08:08 <liknus> ok :(
13:08:12 <liknus> moving on :
13:08:22 <liknus> today's agenda can be found here :
13:08:23 <liknus> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda
13:08:35 <liknus> #topic Past Items
13:08:42 <liknus> Larry is not here...
13:08:54 <liknus> spevack_, hello Max we are underway
13:09:18 <liknus> #topic Proposal to infra team
13:09:23 <liknus> gbraad, kaio_ any news on that?
13:09:34 <gbraad-china> not yet from my side
13:10:28 <liknus> ok so moving on:
13:10:40 <liknus> Igor has created the report
13:10:43 <liknus> moving on:
13:10:52 <liknus> #topic Events Page
13:11:06 <liknus> unfortunately the mediawiki update is still underway..
13:11:14 <liknus> so we have to wait for that
13:11:17 <liknus> moving on:
13:11:27 <liknus> #topic Ambassadors Schedule
13:11:42 <liknus> I have released the announcement
13:11:52 <liknus> Any comments on that?
13:11:55 <liknus> Was it ok
13:11:55 <liknus> ?
13:12:07 <liknus> I am willing to enforce it throughout the release schedule
13:12:12 <gbraad-china> no comments
13:12:14 <liknus> Are we ok with that?
13:12:21 <igorps> It looks more clear to me
13:12:26 <igorps> +1
13:12:29 <yn1v> +1
13:12:42 <gbraad-china> +1
13:12:44 <liknus> igorps, nice to know :)
13:13:11 <igorps> Old schedule tasks were not clear at all
13:13:25 <liknus> #agreed liknus nudges around and enforces Ambassadors Schedule (posts, mails etc)
13:13:33 <liknus> ok moving on : ?
13:13:38 <kaio_> +1
13:13:40 <igorps> +1
13:13:56 <liknus> #topic Ambassadors SOPs
13:14:10 <liknus> Honestly we are quite ready to release the whole thing
13:14:22 <liknus> I still need some help though on the SOPs
13:14:37 <liknus> Can someone step up to create 1-2 more SOPs?
13:14:46 <gbraad-china> mention on the mailinglist where you need help
13:15:09 <liknus> #action liknus posts on ml on help on SOPs
13:15:10 <liknus> ok with that?
13:15:12 <yn1v> I had some unespected work during the week, but the weekend seems free to help on SOPs
13:15:26 <liknus> nice yn1v
13:15:32 <liknus> we will coordinate it on the ml
13:15:38 <gbraad-china> +1
13:15:42 <igorps> Ok, just let us know what SOPs you need help with
13:15:56 <liknus> ok moving on :
13:16:17 <liknus> #topic APAC distribution
13:16:28 <liknus> I understand that this was discussed on the previous meeting
13:16:32 <liknus> kaio_, on that?
13:16:33 <gbraad-china> needs action item.
13:16:39 <liknus> we need any more action items?
13:16:57 <kaio_> no updates on this
13:16:57 <gbraad-china> kaio posted a blog post AFAIR or a mailinglist item
13:17:11 <gbraad-china> but I do think it needs to be pushed to the Amba list
13:17:24 <liknus> kaio_, can you do this
13:17:36 <gbraad-china> at the moment none seems to be aware of it. originally this was assigned to me
13:17:42 <liknus> we need to be informed on that and possibly help out
13:17:46 <kaio_> I was talking to freemedia and have some discussions, and we are still staying distribution by ourselves.
13:17:47 <gbraad-china> note: but not created as a task
13:18:10 <liknus> #action kaio_ informs on distribution on APAC on ml
13:18:14 <kaio_> and since dramsey asked for funding on distribution, I think we need more info
13:18:14 <liknus> ok with that?
13:18:23 <liknus> info from who?
13:18:37 <kaio_> david ramsey from tokyo
13:18:48 <kaio_> and apac fams
13:18:51 <gbraad-china> you mean pricing/manufacture costs
13:19:02 <liknus> oh ok
13:19:11 <liknus> I will update the agenda accordingly
13:19:20 <kaio_> pricing and manufacture costs are requested to all apac fams for filling in wiki page
13:19:50 <liknus> (waiting for Fams and dramsey on more info then)
13:20:00 <liknus> ok moving on :?
13:20:22 <gbraad-china> +1
13:20:31 <igorps> +1
13:20:37 <kaio_> +1
13:20:38 <yn1v> +1
13:20:42 <liknus> #topic Reimbursement Process
13:20:57 <liknus> I think that after FUDCon and FOSDEM things are *a lot* better
13:20:58 <kaio_> lcafiero, hi, in the meeting
13:21:06 <liknus> lcafiero, hello :P
13:21:16 <liknus> So now that things are forming up
13:21:17 * kaio_ agreed
13:21:18 <gbraad-china> larry heard reimbursement I guess
13:21:20 <igorps> hello lcafiero!
13:21:25 <lcafiero> hi, sorry for oversleeping
13:21:30 <liknus> we need any more actions on that direction?
13:21:34 <gbraad-china> we 'just' started
13:21:45 <kaio_> this is why we need to discuss about meeting time
13:21:55 <liknus> (I believe not.. we are ok with processes and things are moving smoothly now)
13:22:12 <gbraad-china> I am ok with it
13:22:14 <kaio_> reimbursement process is improved
13:22:19 <gbraad-china> also with the current time of meeting
13:22:46 <yn1v> we need to keep an eye to ensure that reimbursement don't fall back to the previous slow pace
13:22:53 <liknus> yn1v, +1
13:23:04 <liknus> thats why we have weekly calls :)
13:23:09 <liknus> moving on ?
13:23:12 <lcafiero> +1 and I will work to see that it won't -- though I don't think it will
13:23:26 <liknus> lcafiero, agreed :)
13:23:38 <liknus> so moving on the new items?
13:23:42 <gbraad-china> +1
13:23:44 <liknus> #topic New Items
13:23:55 <liknus> So :
13:24:04 <liknus> #FAmSCo Mentors townhall
13:24:12 <liknus> #topic FAmSCo Mentors townhall
13:24:17 * liknus is sorry for that :)
13:24:32 <liknus> First two items are in fact a single one
13:25:07 <liknus> my idea is to have a FAmSCo <-> mentors townhall so we can inform mentors and clarify on our views on mentorship
13:25:19 <liknus> (like I said on my email)
13:25:37 <liknus> (also this will help to gather feedback from mentors)
13:25:45 <liknus> Are we ok with that?
13:26:14 <lcafiero> +1
13:26:20 <kaio_> +1
13:26:20 <igorps> liknus: Do you intend to do it regionally or a big town hall for everybody?
13:26:27 <gbraad-china> +1
13:26:29 <liknus> The course of actions should be : on of the upcoming weekly meetings of ours should be on articulating the clarification items and then we shall have the townhall for mentors
13:26:39 <gbraad-china> same q as igorps
13:26:55 <liknus> igorps, they one that will set up the townhall need to find out
13:27:04 <liknus> I am more than OK with having more than one
13:27:16 <igorps> me too
13:27:24 <liknus> as far as they are on the same time period (ie within two weeks)
13:27:28 <yn1v> +1
13:27:32 <liknus> lcafiero, can you arrange that?
13:27:33 <igorps> in different timezones
13:27:39 <liknus> igorps, exactly
13:27:53 <lcafiero> OK, as long as it's not 5 a.m. my time :-)
13:28:00 <liknus> :P ok lcafiero
13:28:08 <liknus> Ok I will post on that and update the agenda
13:28:23 <gbraad-china> I think we need two meetings.
13:28:24 <lcafiero> #action lcafiero to arrange town hall meeting for famsco/mentors
13:28:38 <gbraad-china> overlap of EMEA and APAC, APAC and LATAM-NA
13:28:45 <liknus> #action posts on Mentors Townhall on our list and arranges the agenda of one meeting to be on articulating the clarification points
13:28:48 <yn1v> hopefully that will be quick as mentors is a small group
13:28:57 <liknus> yeap
13:28:57 <igorps> gbraad-china: +1
13:29:01 <liknus> ok nicely done
13:29:08 <liknus> moving on ?
13:29:11 <gbraad-china> +1
13:29:38 <liknus> the last one was addressed on the start of the meeting (schedule) and we all agreed on that
13:29:48 <liknus> so we are pretty much done
13:29:58 <gbraad-china> explain to lcafiero
13:30:06 <liknus> gbraad-china, +!
13:30:20 <gbraad-china> we 'all' excludes lcafiero
13:30:38 <liknus> lcafiero, we agreed on having FAmSCo and me in specific to pursue the goals of the Schedule
13:30:43 <lcafiero> well, if you agreed on it, I'm sure it's OK, but I'd like to hear it .
13:30:54 <liknus> (nudging mailing and action items)
13:31:00 <lcafiero> Oh, definitely. +1
13:31:02 <liknus> (as described in my post)
13:31:05 <liknus> ok nice :)
13:31:08 <lcafiero> I remember.
13:31:12 <lcafiero> That's fine.
13:31:20 <lcafiero> Thank you for taking that up
13:31:29 <liknus> #topic FAmSCo tickets
13:31:56 <liknus> we are in a happy situation to say that we have a nice and smooth condition of trac right now
13:32:08 <liknus> most tickets are resolved or awaiting specific actions
13:32:13 <liknus> any problems anyone?
13:32:46 <gbraad-china> no
13:32:48 <liknus> ok moving on :
13:32:54 <liknus> #topic Open Floor
13:33:05 <liknus> i will close the meeting in 2' :)
13:33:14 <liknus> One thing I would like to rise is this :
13:33:28 <gbraad-china> just want to know; is it just me or are less people applying for Amba?
13:33:51 <liknus> Recently there has been some discussion on the possible broaden the scope of FAmSCo (on budget handling)
13:34:05 <liknus> gbraad-china, it is just you.. statistics are ok :)
13:34:12 <gbraad-china> ok
13:34:17 <liknus> So you all remember the thread on the Amb ml
13:34:24 <liknus> some of us replied also
13:34:38 <liknus> I believe that we can have a discussion within FAmSCo ml
13:34:51 <liknus> and possibly take some stance on that during a meeting
13:34:53 <liknus> *but*
13:35:01 <lcafiero> right. I think it's OK for them to broaden the scope of FAmSCo so we're handling other financial requests
13:35:01 <yn1v> liknus, I was concern with the thread and wanted to talk about on the open floor part
13:35:12 <lcafiero> OK
13:35:20 <liknus> we cannot reach a decision without a solid proposal from someone
13:35:30 <igorps> It is a good discussion, but somehow we also need opinion from the Board members
13:35:38 <liknus> obviously we can choose to accept or not a role (or even take part in forming it)
13:36:03 <liknus> but right now we do *not* have a proposal officially made (board, some SCo, a person etc)
13:36:16 <liknus> you people understand what I mean?
13:36:21 <yn1v> yes
13:36:44 <lcafiero> yes.
13:36:47 <yn1v> we are at brainstorming stage with any solid course
13:36:57 <gbraad-china> no proposal, just notes
13:37:02 <yn1v> excatly
13:37:06 <igorps> I agree with lcafiero on broadening the scope of FAmSCo
13:37:24 <liknus> So we can issue a general approach like "We are OK to take more responsibility with budget handling" but nothing more specific
13:37:30 <gbraad-china> me too, as mentioned earlier when it comes to fedoracommunity
13:37:36 <liknus> I guess we all agree with that
13:37:56 <gbraad-china> but budget handling foremost
13:38:00 <lcafiero> I think we can go further than that
13:38:01 <yn1v> inode0 made a goord point, why people submit request to a body athat they can not vote or be elected.
13:38:43 <yn1v> that will be an touchy issue.
13:38:46 <liknus> yn1v, what is the alternative ?  To elect a new body? (besides FAmSCo is the body that is elected by most members in Fedora)
13:39:05 <liknus> btw :
13:39:16 <lcafiero> I disagree, yn1v -- I think that if the process is that you go to X to get funding, you go to X to get funding
13:39:22 <yn1v> I think in the future, yes... but it is up to de board
13:39:29 <lcafiero> Whether or not you're a part of that group.
13:39:47 <liknus> right now for broader budget handling , board makes the call
13:39:57 <liknus> so why we actually need to change that?
13:39:58 <lcafiero> If that's the process set up and approved by the community, then that's what you do.
13:39:59 <yn1v> I am happy showing that we can accomodate everyones needs
13:40:06 <lcafiero> Agreed
13:40:10 <lcafiero> And we can.
13:40:16 <liknus> for sure
13:40:30 <igorps> liknus: maybe people are not just aware of board tasks
13:40:32 <gbraad-china> agree with lcafiero
13:40:33 <lcafiero> I think John Rose is throwing up unnecessary roadblocks, IMO
13:40:46 <liknus> lcafiero, +1 on that
13:41:14 <liknus> besides... we already have an elected body to handle wide budget issues.. the board
13:41:24 <igorps> liknus: exactly
13:41:28 <lcafiero> Also, it may require FAmSCo somewhere along the line to be changed to a steering committee for Ambassadors AND financial requests.
13:41:38 <liknus> and for specific things (up to certain amount) we (FAmSCo) can handle it
13:41:40 <lcafiero> How that translates into an acronym will be tricky :-)
13:41:48 <igorps> I don't see why a new body will address this issue
13:41:50 <liknus> lcafiero, :P
13:42:03 <lcafiero> I don't think a new body is necessary.
13:42:21 <lcafiero> and I don't think inode0 is asking for one.
13:42:29 <gbraad-china> lcafiero Community Resource and Budget Handling Committee
13:42:44 <gbraad-china> :-P
13:43:00 <lcafiero> Heh.
13:43:07 <igorps> gbraad-china: might do the trick ;)
13:43:20 <gbraad-china> I do believe we are responsible for these tasks.
13:43:44 <gbraad-china> we provide the tools and resources to the Ambassadors (and the Community as a whole) to do their job.
13:44:12 <lcafiero> We can deal with that later -- my opinion is that FAmSCo can handle the duties without a name change; it might require a change in the description and duties we currently have, obvilusly
13:44:14 <gbraad-china> marketeers or disucssions on how to get other stuff done... (you know what I mean)
13:44:16 <lcafiero> obviously
13:44:24 * lcafiero can't type so early.
13:44:33 * gbraad-china had too much barley
13:44:33 <liknus> people lets not be chaotic... we do not feel like having a new body (as FAmSCo) and also we do not have a concrete proposal... So IMHO no need to decide on sth
13:45:05 <gbraad-china> liknus, what I understand is: we discuss and explore the boundaries
13:45:10 <liknus> and on extension to that lcafiero is right
13:45:27 <gbraad-china> but need to take this to off meeting perhaps
13:45:32 <liknus> gbraad-china, thats why I think that lcafiero stated that correctly
13:45:39 <lcafiero> Well, I don't really understand this: If people are told "Go here," for funding, why wouldn't they go? I would, even if I wasn't an ambassador.
13:45:54 <liknus> lcafiero, nicely said
13:46:01 <lcafiero> To say, "I can't go to FAmSCo for funding -- I'm not an ambassador" is not a good argument if that's the process.
13:46:06 <gbraad-china> lcafiero: the community go-to committee
13:46:16 <lcafiero> Heh.
13:46:18 <gbraad-china> _1
13:46:20 <gbraad-china> +1[5~
13:46:23 <gbraad-china> ARGH!
13:46:33 <lcafiero> I feel your pain, gbraad-china :-)
13:46:35 <gbraad-china> I agree (phew)
13:46:39 <kaio_> +1
13:46:40 <lcafiero> I can't type this early either.
13:46:51 <yn1_v> I had a power outage for half a second and lost IRC :(
13:46:59 <liknus> ok people
13:47:10 <liknus> agreed on moving this on our ml?
13:47:18 <igorps> +1
13:47:29 <gbraad-china> or our IRC channel, but off-meeting
13:47:30 <liknus> (although I think we have an agreement :)
13:47:40 <liknus> gbraad-china, can be done also
13:47:46 <lcafiero> Yep.
13:48:27 <lcafiero> I have only talked about this once on the ambassadors mailing list because I wanted others to take the conversation -- thanks to liknus and neville for weighing in on it.
13:48:31 <lcafiero> At length
13:48:40 <igorps> We are ok to be responsible to take this tasks and I'm sure we are prepared for that. Good to know we are in the same place as group.
13:48:40 <lcafiero> everyone, really.
13:48:50 <lcafiero> +1 igorps
13:48:52 <gbraad-china> +1
13:49:06 <liknus> +1
13:49:10 <liknus> ok people
13:49:18 <liknus> shall we end this?
13:49:29 <yn1_v> yes.
13:49:29 <kaio_> +1
13:49:32 <gbraad-china> no additional comments
13:49:33 <gbraad-china> +1
13:49:34 <igorps> +1
13:49:41 <liknus> thanks all for attending on our today's productive meeting!
13:50:04 <lcafiero> sorry again that i was late
13:50:25 <gbraad-china> no problem
13:50:30 <liknus> #endmeeting