00:00:32 <zoglesby> #startmeeting Fedora Docs Project - Agenda https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
00:00:32 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Feb 17 00:00:32 2011 UTC.  The chair is zoglesby. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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00:00:40 <zoglesby> #topic Roll Call
00:00:52 * jhradilek is awake.
00:01:09 * jjmcd 
00:01:12 * rudi_ is here
00:01:57 <zoglesby> #topic Follow up on last week's action items
00:01:59 * Sparks is here...  barely
00:02:22 <zoglesby> Sparks: to late, role call is over :P
00:02:29 <Sparks> :(
00:02:33 <zoglesby> 1. jjmcd to follow up with fedora-bookmarks packager
00:02:45 <jjmcd> Sent yet another email
00:03:08 <zoglesby> jjmcd: he/she is not following up with you?
00:03:12 <jjmcd> Not sure what to do if he continues unresponsive
00:03:29 <jjmcd> Nope, it's like a black hole
00:03:39 <zoglesby> hmm
00:03:58 <jjmcd> Altho, I think Spot may think the same of me so perhaps I shouldn't complain
00:04:06 * dmaxel is here, just late to roll call :P
00:04:40 <rudi_> dmaxel -- hurry up, sit down, take your books out, and don't disturb anybody next to you!
00:04:49 <zoglesby> jjmcd: not sure what else we can do, other then maybe file a bug agaist the package
00:04:57 <jjmcd> There is a bug
00:05:04 <jjmcd> Thats what started it
00:05:10 <rudi_> jjmcd -- have you set NEEDSINFO?
00:05:12 <jjmcd> 653737
00:05:29 <jjmcd> No, we don't need info, we know what has to be done
00:05:59 <rudi_> That's a bug about pidgin...
00:06:04 <jjmcd> but I'll do that just in case it helps
00:06:14 <jjmcd> 656737
00:06:21 <jjmcd> sorry, it's on the other screen
00:06:55 <rudi_> NP :)
00:07:08 <zoglesby> any ideas?
00:07:12 <zoglesby> anyone?
00:07:14 <rudi_> NEEDSINFO can be a good attention-getter if you're not afraid to abuse it
00:07:24 <jjmcd> Well, I just did so we'll see
00:07:38 <zoglesby> 2. jjmcd and nb to come up with a redirect plan
00:07:50 * kanarip is here, fwiw
00:07:58 <jjmcd> Hi Jeroen
00:08:13 <jjmcd> This one languished long enough that I forgot what we needed
00:08:13 <kanarip> hi there ;-)
00:08:21 <jjmcd> so it looked harder than it really is
00:08:38 <jjmcd> I think we just need to get me an nb together for a short
00:08:45 <jjmcd> Or maybe even an email
00:09:16 <jjmcd> But I would rather chat in real time
00:09:28 <jjmcd> because we are asking him to update a link each release
00:10:13 <zoglesby> so, you just need to figure out when both of you can sit down at the same time and bust this out?
00:10:29 <jjmcd> YEah, it's pretty clear what needs to be done
00:10:45 <jjmcd> But I don't want to just send an email saying "Nick, do this"
00:10:54 <jjmcd> I would rather he agrees its the right thing
00:11:15 <zoglesby> #action jjmcd and nb to discuss redirect
00:11:24 <jjmcd> R
00:11:54 <kanarip> fwiw, he can prepare a redirect for many releases to come with mod_rewrite testing whether the target file exists on the filesystem
00:11:55 <zoglesby> #topic Fedora 15 Schedule
00:12:22 <zoglesby> I failed look at the schedule this week and missed three items
00:12:27 <zoglesby> http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-docs-tasks.html
00:12:50 <zoglesby> Start Alpha Beat and Feature Page Review, Notify Development About Alpha Release Note, Comb Beats and Feature Pages for Alpha
00:13:35 <zoglesby> would someone be able to get the ball rolling on this after the meeting?
00:14:02 <zoglesby> All that really needs done today is the second item
00:14:39 <GadgetWisdomGuru> There's a meeting tonight for Docs, right?
00:14:48 <zoglesby> GadgetWisdomGuru: right now
00:14:55 <GadgetWisdomGuru> Good
00:14:59 <GadgetWisdomGuru> I've been absent for weeks
00:15:15 * jjmcd is pretty full right now, expect he will need to basically do the alpha notes next week
00:15:21 <zoglesby> the other thing to note is that we need to start working on Prepare Alpha Release Notes (1 page)
00:15:34 <jjmcd> But can't commit to much of anything before Monday
00:15:54 <zoglesby> jjmcd: okay, I remember seeing some step up the other day, but I can't find it
00:16:11 <zoglesby> I will try and work on something this weekend
00:16:25 <zoglesby> and maybe get some help from others on irc
00:16:43 <zoglesby> #action zoglesby to start working on Alpha Release Notes
00:17:04 <jjmcd> If you get something out, add a (Done ~~) to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Notes_schedule
00:17:19 <zoglesby> jjmcd: roger
00:17:23 <jjmcd> I think the note to Dev is more pressing
00:17:45 <zoglesby> anyone else have any schedule related stuff?
00:18:59 <zoglesby> jjmcd: I will have to send that to devs tomorrow, if no one can do it
00:19:24 <jjmcd> If you can that would be good.  I *MIGHT* manage it tomorrow but ...
00:19:58 <zoglesby> I will get it
00:20:20 <zoglesby> #action zoglesby to mail devs about alpha release notes
00:20:56 <zoglesby> #topic Release Notes
00:21:22 <zoglesby> jjmcd: its all yours here
00:21:33 <jjmcd> Well, we dealt with the schedule bit
00:21:37 <jjmcd> But you can see
00:21:49 <jjmcd> we REALLY, REALLY, REALLY need someone to take point
00:21:59 <jjmcd> And especially, watching over the schedule
00:22:04 <jjmcd> so we don't let things slip
00:22:47 <zoglesby> #agreed
00:22:47 <jjmcd> I expect to continue to get these little bursts that take me away at the most inopportune times
00:23:16 <jjmcd> Should be OK after June, but that is after release
00:24:08 <zoglesby> anyone else have anything for RN?
00:24:58 <zoglesby> #topic Guide Status
00:25:31 <zoglesby> Any issues with guides? Anyone need help getting things ready for F15?
00:26:40 <rudi_> All quiet here; I guess we won't really know till we've played with Alpha enough to assess the impact :)
00:27:03 <zoglesby> rudi_: should be fun!
00:27:13 <zoglesby> #topic Trans Migration
00:28:07 <jjmcd> We will have scripts to test, and probably some to build.  Any info on when we can do this?
00:28:44 <zoglesby> jjmcd: when we can migrate over?
00:29:05 <jjmcd> Well, I would hope we would test first
00:29:46 <zoglesby> jjmcd: trans.fp.o is shutting off on the 18th, so not much time to test
00:29:56 <jjmcd> oh goodie
00:30:17 <jjmcd> And I don't imagine we have a test instance anyway
00:30:47 <zoglesby> like I pointed out on the list the biggest change is that we no longer the ability to let tx git commit for us
00:31:21 <zoglesby> we now have to use the tx command-line client to pull down new translations
00:31:39 <jjmcd> I see an upside to that, actually.  But it also means we have scripts to identify, update, test
00:31:58 <zoglesby> rudi_: I would like to get with you some time this week to see how this is going to affect publishing to the docs.fp.o
00:32:21 <rudi_> zoglesby -- sure
00:32:28 <zoglesby> jjmcd: yeah, and thats what we need to work on
00:32:33 * nb here
00:33:13 <zoglesby> #action zoglesby and rudi identify any issue with trans migration and docs.fp.o
00:33:14 <jjmcd> My concern is the builds - task 19
00:33:56 <zoglesby> jjmcd: whats the concern?
00:34:13 <jjmcd> That is all automatic
00:34:22 <jjmcd> now there are additional steps we need to add
00:34:32 <jjmcd> Don't know whether it matters when/how they occur
00:34:42 <jjmcd> And no testing
00:34:52 <zoglesby> it should just be adding tx pull to the script
00:35:00 <jjmcd> "SHOULD"
00:35:27 <jjmcd> You know these things are never as simple as they should be
00:36:40 <rudi_> There will be teething pains to be sure, but that's how it is out here on the bleeding edge :)
00:36:46 <jjmcd> ;-)
00:36:50 <zoglesby> I admit that we did not have a good amount of lead time on this, but we have it much easier then devs, who are already at string freeze, we need to start testing this stuff ASAP and we should be able to deal with it in time
00:37:16 <jjmcd> Sounds like this move should have been delayed until after release
00:37:59 <zoglesby> L10N and Infra both felt that moving now was a better move
00:38:37 <jjmcd> I bet dev didn't, but that is water under the bridge
00:38:44 <zoglesby> I would have like it to not have been this late in the game, but I am sure we can adapt and overcome
00:38:45 <jjmcd> We do what we got to do
00:39:23 <zoglesby> any other comments on this issue?
00:39:34 <rudi_> I'm not thrilled by it
00:39:48 <rudi_> But that's also water under the bridge :(
00:40:16 <zoglesby> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
00:40:33 <zoglesby> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
00:41:02 <zoglesby> I saw a few new bugs pop up this week, but nothing crazy
00:41:31 <zoglesby> anyone have anything here? need help? have an issue?
00:41:55 <GWG> I said I was going to do the overview again
00:42:05 <GWG> When do I need to get that in? It has been crazy for me lately
00:42:36 <jjmcd> GWG - looks like early March
00:42:57 <jjmcd> Ideally Mar 1 but as late as Mar 9
00:43:32 <GWG> Okay.
00:43:37 <GWG> I'll make sure I get a daft in
00:43:40 <GWG> draft
00:43:54 <zoglesby> GWG: thanks!
00:43:59 <zoglesby> #topic Open floor discussion
00:44:05 <zoglesby> anything else?
00:44:08 <jjmcd> yep
00:44:20 <zoglesby> jjmcd: floor is yours
00:44:27 <jjmcd> Stickster reposted a note from smooge about the old web tree
00:44:47 <jjmcd> Unfortunately, I have no clue how to look to see whether anything there needs saving
00:44:57 <nb> jjmcd, you're in sysadmin-web i think?
00:45:14 <nb> ssh bastion.fedoraproject.org, ssh bapp01, cd /srv/web/docs.old (or wherever)
00:45:15 <jjmcd> sysadmin something - I get plenty of Nagios messages
00:45:23 <jjmcd> I think it is web
00:45:40 <jjmcd> Roger that .  Thanks
00:45:44 <nb> np
00:45:59 <zoglesby> jjmcd: are you going to look into that?
00:46:03 <jjmcd> yep
00:46:21 <zoglesby> #action jjmcd to look into docs.old to make sure nothing needs saved
00:46:41 <zoglesby> jjmcd: thanks I forgot about that
00:46:45 <zoglesby> anything else?
00:47:06 <jjmcd> Yesterday was ENIAC day - I totally missed it
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00:47:44 <zoglesby> #endmeeting