04:02:14 <dramsey> #startmeeting APAC meeting 2011-02-05
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04:02:19 <dramsey> #meetingname APAC
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04:02:22 <dramsey> .fas dramsey
04:02:22 <zodbot> dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' <diamond_ramsey@hotmail.com>
04:02:27 <sgordon> .fas sgordon
04:02:27 <zodbot> sgordon: sgordon 'Stephen Gordon' <sgordon@redhat.com>
04:02:33 <dramsey> #chair kaio_tab lcafiero FranciscoD tuanta
04:02:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD dramsey kaio_tab lcafiero tuanta
04:02:41 <dramsey> #chair sgordon
04:02:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD dramsey kaio_tab lcafiero sgordon tuanta
04:02:46 <dramsey> #topic Ambassador Pinging
04:02:52 <dramsey> Hello Everyone!
04:03:03 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
04:03:04 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
04:03:05 <dramsey> #chair azneita
04:03:05 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD azneita dramsey kaio_tab lcafiero sgordon tuanta
04:03:08 <tuanta> hi all
04:03:25 <dramsey> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2011-02-05#Agenda
04:03:45 <dramsey> #topic News from FAmSCo
04:04:22 <FranciscoD> .fas FranciscoD
04:04:23 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
04:04:30 <FranciscoD> hello
04:04:32 <FranciscoD> !
04:04:49 <KageSenshi> .fas izhar
04:04:52 <zodbot> KageSenshi: izhar 'Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail' <kagesenshi.87@gmail.com>
04:04:55 <dramsey> Looks around ...
04:05:00 <dramsey> Have sent ping to Kaio.
04:05:28 <dramsey> lcafiero, any update from FAmSCo to help us?
04:06:17 <dramsey> Any news or next topic?
04:06:58 <tuanta> we have 3 members in FAmSCo, but no one's here today :(
04:07:04 <tuanta> just another from NA :)
04:07:08 <dramsey> Okay, next topic?
04:07:18 <tuanta> lcafiero, any update from FAmSCo?
04:07:35 <lcafiero> We meet in about 9 hours
04:07:43 <tuanta> I see they have just released the monthly report for Dec
04:07:58 <tuanta> 9 hours? really?
04:08:22 <lcafiero> The only thing that I can say is that we've got our payment system worked out -- Harish Pillay is the person handling APAC tickets from here on in.
04:08:46 <dramsey> Understood.  That is news.
04:08:51 <dramsey> We appreciate.
04:08:58 <KageSenshi> cool
04:09:04 <dramsey> So next topic?
04:09:08 <tuanta> that's cool
04:09:36 <lcafiero> Apologies for the confusion and delays until now.
04:09:48 <tuanta> +1
04:09:50 <dramsey> We appreciate hearing information, this is good to know.
04:09:51 <dramsey> :)
04:09:53 <dramsey> +1
04:09:57 <tuanta> :)
04:10:21 <dramsey> #topic Report current Status of upcoming events
04:10:22 <azneita> .fas azneita
04:10:22 <zodbot> azneita: azneita 'Heherson Pagcaliwagan' <herson@azneita.org>
04:10:22 <tuanta> I will update my ticket and wait :)
04:10:28 <dramsey> Hi azneita
04:10:30 <dramsey> Doing my biweekly Akihabara tomorrow...
04:10:30 <azneita> sorry for the wait
04:10:34 <dramsey> Any news from others?
04:10:43 <dramsey> Good to hear you made back to home...
04:10:56 <azneita> +1 dramsey :)
04:11:15 <dramsey> Sends congratulations to azneita and kaio for working with sgordon and other good folks for successful LCA!  :)
04:11:26 <dramsey> Acknowledges asmartgoat.
04:11:28 <tuanta> I am planning to show Fedora at GNOME Release Party at 06 April
04:11:43 <dramsey> Where is that Tuan?
04:11:45 <tuanta> +1 dramsey
04:11:55 <tuanta> it's in Hanoi
04:11:59 <azneita> ^^ reading up harish and apac tickets - big +1 from me
04:12:24 <azneita> tuan, i believe kaio pinged you regarding XO and some swag
04:12:53 <dramsey> Yes, Harish has been very supportive of APAC.
04:13:12 <dramsey> Address needed by asmartgoat and tuanta 'Tuan' for Kaio.
04:13:24 <tuanta> yes, thanks, azneita
04:13:29 <dramsey> #action Address needed by asmartgoat and tuanta 'Tuan' for Kaio to send XO and some swag.
04:13:30 <dramsey> :)
04:13:53 <tuanta> I will send my shipping address to kaio
04:14:44 <dramsey> Other thoughts or next topic?
04:16:09 <dramsey> #topic APAC plans
04:16:29 <dramsey> FranciscoD, have you heard anything about the Fudcon India?
04:16:52 <FranciscoD> dramsey: nope
04:16:54 <FranciscoD> nothing yet
04:17:01 * FranciscoD needs to run, sorry folks :)
04:17:02 <dramsey> Okay.  Just checking.
04:17:07 <FranciscoD> have a great meeting :)
04:17:28 <dramsey> Understood, you have that other meeting, appreciate you attending our meeting.
04:17:29 <dramsey> :)
04:17:38 <dramsey> :)  I hope to see a Fudcon Brisbane in the next year for APAC.  What do you think?  :)
04:17:58 <azneita> thanks FranciscoD, when's our remote wiki FAD?
04:18:28 <azneita> dramsey, Fudcon emea just started their bidding process :)
04:18:47 <dramsey> Good information azneita.
04:18:54 <tuanta> +1 dramsey
04:19:04 <KageSenshi> +1 too
04:19:10 <dramsey> FranciscoD, Remote FAD is tomorrow, right?
04:19:29 <azneita> jsmith mentioned something along that line when we met at LCA - fudcon around here
04:19:40 <dramsey> +1 azneita
04:19:41 <tuanta> we should have a FUDcon in APAC
04:19:44 <dramsey> We can do it!
04:19:55 <dramsey> Very true Tuan.
04:19:55 <azneita> if we can put in a proposal, we can do it :)
04:20:24 <dramsey> #idea Proposal for Fudcon Brisbane for APAC.
04:20:24 <azneita> we'll probably have a year of planning to make it work
04:20:38 <dramsey> Prior Planning is good
04:20:57 <azneita> and lot's of people to put in the work :)
04:22:23 <dramsey> +1
04:22:40 <dramsey> azneita, do you have any lessons learned from LCA and/or FAD?  Or update blog information to help us?
04:22:41 <tuanta> it's a big proposal
04:22:42 <tuanta> we need a leader to join others to build it
04:22:44 <azneita> btw: here is kaio's event report - #link http://kaio.net/blog/?p=193
04:22:54 <dramsey> Excellent!
04:23:44 <azneita> i'm supposed to create mine this weekend but here are my notes: #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_@_Brisbane_2011_notes
04:23:53 <sgordon> im doing one this weekend as well
04:23:56 <tuanta> cool
04:24:00 <sgordon> just waiting on relevant vids to go up
04:24:11 <dramsey> +1 sgordon
04:24:18 <tuanta> +1 sgordon
04:24:57 <azneita> much of the content for LCA2011 will be available through blip.tv
04:25:13 <dramsey> +1 azneita
04:25:22 <sgordon> yeah
04:25:23 <azneita> so everybody can follow through on the topics their interested in
04:25:32 <sgordon> i just want to tie up fedora relevant ones in my blog post
04:25:44 <sgordon> systemd, koki, jsmith's talk, etc
04:25:49 <sgordon> *koji
04:26:13 <tuanta> +1 azneita
04:27:10 <dramsey> sgordon, is there a URL available for this information available now or future?
04:27:10 <azneita> mighty slow in reading ^^: lessons learned
04:27:28 <sgordon> linuxconfau.blip.tv
04:27:34 <sgordon> is where all the streams are going up
04:27:40 <dramsey> Cool!
04:27:42 <sgordon> my blog is sgordon's musings on the fedora site
04:27:48 <dramsey> +1
04:28:06 <dramsey> Thank you.
04:28:22 <dramsey> Future thought, I think azneita's and kaio's as well as asmartgoat's help for LCA and FAD along with lessons will help for our future APAC.  We should learn from others like lcafiero and rrix and rbergeron on their Fudcon Tempe, Arizona..
04:28:32 <sgordon> they were missing the specific ones i was interested in when i checked yesterday
04:28:42 <azneita> #link http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/sgordon/
04:29:02 <sgordon> yeah that, i can never remember
04:29:06 <sgordon> it also is attached to fedora planet
04:29:17 <sgordon> i always have a heap of posts in draft that i just havent polished off yet
04:29:23 <sgordon> but this one will go as soon as i have the links
04:29:33 <sgordon> also highly recommend people watch the HTML5 talk from LCA
04:29:39 <azneita> #link http://linuxconfau.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc
04:29:42 <sgordon> just because it's excellent
04:29:44 <sgordon> :p
04:29:48 <dramsey> +1
04:29:56 <dramsey> :)  sgordon, Isincerely appreciate everyone's help for us.  :)
04:30:05 <dramsey> s/Is/s
04:30:05 <sgordon> i do have a question actually
04:30:06 <azneita> +1 mate
04:30:14 <sgordon> i tried to subscribe to the ambassadors list
04:30:24 <sgordon> and was denied because im not a member of the ambassadors group
04:30:28 <sgordon> which is fair enough
04:30:37 <azneita> hmm
04:30:39 <sgordon> but i kind of think it would be good for me to be across the list
04:31:01 <azneita> i think you have to apply to ambasasdors using your fas account
04:31:11 <sgordon> yeah
04:31:27 <sgordon> i guess the question is, is it appropriate for me to do that even though im not really and ambassador
04:31:28 <sgordon> ?
04:31:29 <azneita> then the wheels will be set in motion and you'll have access to mailing list in no time
04:31:43 <sgordon> i mainly wanted to chase up to see if i can order a shirt, self funded :P
04:32:07 <dramsey> Yo Luke!  asmartgoat
04:32:08 <asmartgoat> Hi all, sorry for being late :)
04:32:13 <azneita> hi luke
04:32:17 <tuanta> hi Luke
04:32:17 <asmartgoat> Hi
04:32:35 <dramsey> Good question, sgordon, sounds possible for accessing the Ambassadors' list...
04:33:03 <dramsey> Luke, we are at the '#topic APAC plans' now.
04:33:10 <azneita> sgordon, if you just wanted to peek, there's the archives
04:33:12 <dramsey> #chair asmartgoat
04:33:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD asmartgoat azneita dramsey kaio_tab lcafiero sgordon tuanta
04:33:12 <sgordon> is someone from apac an approver or should i give whoever is a headsup?
04:33:20 <azneita> but i hope you'll consider joining in
04:34:10 * asmartgoat is reading through the rolling log :) http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-02-05/apac.2011-02-05-04.02.log.txt
04:34:20 <tuanta> +1 azneita
04:34:47 <azneita> sgordon: kital maintains the list, i think
04:34:59 <dramsey> +1 azneita
04:35:49 <dramsey> In about 9 hours is the FAmSCo meeting, so hopefully others will be able to review our logs for consideration and ideas.  :)
04:36:26 <tuanta> +1 :)
04:36:45 <tuanta> next topic?
04:36:48 <dramsey> Other thoughts?
04:37:01 <dramsey> #topic Classrooms for APAC
04:37:20 <dramsey> Was FranciscoD topic, but I think FranciscoD has another meeting now.
04:37:25 <dramsey> Next topic?
04:37:41 <azneita> please go on
04:37:44 <dramsey> #topic Red Hat Exams for Ambassadors
04:37:56 <dramsey> How about developing our fellow Ambassadors not just APAC but all regions with Red Hat Exams/Training?!?!?!?!
04:38:01 <dramsey> That is all from me
04:38:15 <dramsey> What do you think?
04:38:35 <sgordon> mmm that's a toughy
04:38:44 <sgordon> they run the exams often enough but it's expensive
04:38:47 <asmartgoat> Personaly, im planning to take on RHCSA (aka RHCT) at the end of the year
04:38:54 <tuanta> I'd also love to be trained and certified
04:39:10 <tuanta> +1 sgordon
04:39:17 <azneita> how do we go about this dramsey
04:39:33 <azneita> any ambasasdors willing to run the training for us?
04:39:33 <asmartgoat> having the exams subsidized for fedora contributors would be an idea
04:39:44 <tuanta> can we have any support from Fedora?
04:39:49 <dramsey> I saw this reference in the North America Ambassadors and I thought this would be useful for APAC, too.
04:39:52 <tuanta> +1 asmartgoat
04:39:56 <sgordon> perhaps you could consider buying the courseware
04:40:00 <sgordon> and sharing it around
04:40:08 <dramsey> +1 sgordon
04:40:15 <tuanta> +1 sgordon
04:40:20 <asmartgoat> +1
04:40:24 <tuanta> courseware could be sharing
04:40:27 <sgordon> not sure the new ones for RHEL6 are out yet
04:40:32 <sgordon> i want to do my RHCE once it is
04:40:40 <tuanta> s/sharing/shared
04:40:41 <azneita> later in the year
04:40:58 <dramsey> I would like to see the next RHCE of the Year be one of our Fedora Ambassadors any region...
04:41:11 <azneita> +1
04:41:15 <tuanta> +1
04:41:57 <dramsey> Like inode0 as well as Red who were RHCEs of the Year before...
04:42:29 <dramsey> Other ideas?
04:42:30 <dramsey> Other thoughts or next topic?
04:42:39 <asmartgoat> Open Floor :)
04:42:47 <dramsey> #topic Open Floor
04:43:09 <dramsey> asmartgoat, did you see Kaio's e-mail on the address needed for your XO and swag?
04:43:21 <azneita> i'd like to get your thoughts about the topics kaio and i discussed in brisbane
04:43:32 <asmartgoat> Yes, dramsey :)
04:43:42 <dramsey> Good.
04:43:58 <dramsey> Is there a URL for the topics, azneita?
04:44:10 <azneita> http://kaio.net/blog/ - scroll down
04:44:10 <dramsey> Like APAC Box...correct?
04:44:17 <dramsey> Perfect!
04:44:28 <tuanta> I have a question: who is keeping the XOs now?
04:44:38 <azneita> kaio will presnt some of the ideas we bounced around at tonight's famsco meeting
04:44:47 <tuanta> kaio or asmartgoat?
04:44:54 <azneita> i have one, kaio has yours
04:45:11 <tuanta> ok, I will send my shipping address to kaio
04:45:32 <azneita> the two XOs are with kaio - (asmartgoat's and tuanta's)
04:45:45 <asmartgoat> I don't mind not having one, but i'll need it for some major lug events, and LCA 2012 in ballarat!!! :)
04:46:43 <tuanta> it would be great to me when I have anything from Fedora
04:46:44 <azneita> send your shipping address to kaio and he'll ship them to you + some swag
04:47:05 <tuanta> Vietnamese LUGs will see Fedora Community brighter :)
04:47:13 <azneita> +1
04:47:17 <dramsey> +1
04:47:19 <dramsey> azneita, do you know which version is on the XO?
04:47:47 <azneita> i believe their the original ones
04:47:56 <azneita> *they're
04:47:57 <dramsey> Cool.
04:48:11 <asmartgoat> Correct, the xo-1
04:48:11 <azneita> i'm still messing with the developer key
04:48:12 <asmartgoat> :)
04:48:21 <tuanta> :)
04:48:44 <azneita> have you guys checked, kaio's blog?
04:49:16 <azneita> we basically discussed three things - apac media, funding, and reimbursemnet
04:49:16 <asmartgoat> Why?
04:49:44 <dramsey> Yup, I like the cake.
04:49:46 <azneita> so we can provide input to kaio for tonight's famsco meeting
04:49:53 <azneita> :)
04:50:02 <dramsey> There were some topics discussed at the FAD which are very important for APAC, correct azneita?
04:50:20 <azneita> we actually saved the logo part :)
04:50:32 <tuanta> :)
04:50:33 <dramsey> Those topics are noted in Kaio's blog and will be presented by Kaio at the FAmSCo, correct?
04:50:38 <azneita> yep
04:50:43 <dramsey> Frozen, the logo?
04:50:46 <dramsey> muhahaha
04:50:54 <azneita> it's frozen cake
04:51:06 <tuanta> really :)
04:51:26 <asmartgoat> cool :)
04:51:40 <azneita> one thing we discussed is using fedora-apac trac for requests
04:51:43 <asmartgoat> Oh well. next year. :)
04:52:19 <azneita> and famsco trac is for famsco tickets
04:52:31 <tuanta> +1 azneita
04:52:57 <dramsey> Understood.
04:53:15 <dramsey> azneita, do you need our feedback/comments on the topics http://kaio.net/blog/?p=193
04:53:32 <dramsey> For example, *prior* to Kaio's FAmSCo meeting?
04:53:33 <azneita> i believe it'll help :)
04:53:40 <dramsey> I believe so, too.
04:54:01 <dramsey> Do you want to talk to the topics a bit now?  We still have a few minutes.  What do you all think?
04:54:20 <azneita> funding through other channels beside paypal
04:54:21 <dramsey> I may provide feedback now and I am sure Tuan has ideas, too
04:54:31 <dramsey> Okay, you mean for reimbursements?
04:55:05 <azneita> yep and for advance payments too - like apac wear
04:55:23 <azneita> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_@_Brisbane_2011_notes -- feel free to provide feedback on this too
04:55:56 <dramsey> I think reimbursements for APAC is important...like take care of azneita and kagesenshi for travel..
04:56:34 <tuanta> PayPal is enough to me. it's available in Vietnam
04:56:34 <dramsey> azneita, starting at the Fedora APAC 2011 Planning?
04:56:53 <azneita> we can start bouncing around ideas to help other ambassadors who will likely be in the same position in the future
04:56:57 <tuanta> I just need to speed up the reimbursement decision process
04:58:09 <azneita> +1 tuanta and we sort of floated the idea of an expected time frame for action
04:58:22 <tuanta> +1 azneita
04:58:26 <dramsey> +1
04:58:44 <azneita> something like optimistic, pessimistic, realistic expectations
04:59:11 <dramsey> There is always room to improve processes...take care of the people.
04:59:14 <dramsey> How about Building up local ambassadors ... Request for Materials and Regular Release Materials ???
04:59:41 <asmartgoat> sorry guys, we are having a pretty bad storm here. flooding, power cuts and all, moving to 3g irc :)
04:59:58 <dramsey> Understood.
05:00:01 <KageSenshi> dramsey, +1
05:00:07 <azneita> +1 asmartgoat
05:00:46 <azneita> i believe the challenge is articulating our feedback to famsco and offering how we can help
05:02:02 <dramsey> #idea APAC Ambassadors to review https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_@_Brisbane_2011_notes and http://kaio.net/blog/ to provide feedback
05:02:05 <dramsey> Sound right?
05:02:17 <azneita> thanks dramsey
05:02:29 <azneita> and that's all for me
05:02:42 <azneita> i hope we can still pull off apac wear for bckurera
05:02:47 <dramsey> How about APAC Wear and APACK Box as well as Talks???
05:02:52 <dramsey> Yes!
05:02:58 <dramsey> +1 azneita
05:03:12 <azneita> apack box, the most difficult part is due for shipping
05:03:16 <dramsey> APACK Boxes https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Box#What_the_APACK_boxes_will_contain
05:03:30 <dramsey> looking for ideas on how to ship between ambassadors?
05:03:37 <azneita> and so local contacts will start building up their respective boxes
05:03:57 <azneita> i believe the boxes will stay on their locales for now
05:04:21 <azneita> like for in the philippines, we'll hand off the box amongst our event coordinators
05:04:47 <asmartgoat> Lets just get one up for now for the big events.
05:04:59 <asmartgoat> Kaio, you awake/alive
05:05:04 <asmartgoat> :) ?
05:05:27 <asmartgoat> he's not here :)
05:05:47 <azneita> i believe we can make three working now - philippines, australia, and vietnam
05:05:49 <asmartgoat> well, we need to get one up and running and as we get more, they should be regioned off
05:05:56 <dramsey> azneita, there was a substantial amount of swag leftover, correct.  So sort of the beginnings of APACK box.
05:06:16 <azneita> +1 dramsey and kaio is sorting them out i believe
05:06:28 <KageSenshi> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MalaysianTeam/EventBox < ours already have these
05:06:35 <azneita> i brought 200 LiveCDs home myself
05:06:45 <dramsey> +1 KageSenshi, thank you sharing!
05:07:14 <dramsey> So in my mind, the XOs and their swag are the essence of APACK box beginning, does than sound right?.
05:07:29 <azneita> yup
05:07:32 <dramsey> Do you think we need to ask for more things?  Probably right?
05:07:43 <dramsey> You guys call what you need.
05:07:45 <dramsey> :)
05:08:27 <azneita> +1 dramsey
05:08:32 <dramsey> Reading your notes - "...local ambassadors will put together said boxes and ask for funding/reimbursement thru fedora-apac trac..."
05:08:45 <dramsey> Thank you, I understand.
05:08:55 <dramsey> Good thoughts!  Other thoughts or ideas?
05:09:35 <dramsey> :p  Looking at the Fedora Cake at http://kaio.net/blog/ is making me hungry...  :P
05:09:42 <KageSenshi> XD
05:09:53 <dramsey> Is this a wrap up for meeting?
05:10:31 <azneita> i think it's a +1
05:10:35 <dramsey> :D  Thank you all for attending!  :D
05:10:45 <dramsey> Counting down...last chance...
05:10:47 <azneita> i hope to get my report up before the weekend ends
05:10:47 <tuanta> :)
05:10:47 <dramsey> 5
05:10:55 <dramsey> +1 azneita
05:10:56 <tuanta> 4
05:10:56 <dramsey> 4
05:10:58 <dramsey> 3
05:11:00 <dramsey> 2
05:11:01 <dramsey> 1
05:11:03 <dramsey> 0.5
05:11:05 <dramsey> bye
05:11:06 <dramsey> #endmeeting