15:00:57 <jlaska> #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting
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15:01:03 <jlaska> #meetingname fedora-qa
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15:01:10 <jlaska> #topic Gathering in the lobby ...
15:01:23 <adamw> yo
15:01:29 * kparal yoyo
15:02:04 <jlaska> adamw: kparal: yoyo ma
15:02:11 <adamw> ed wood
15:02:14 <jlaska> :)
15:02:22 <jlaska> mkrizek are you in class right now?
15:02:26 * kparal sees mkrizek: you can't hide
15:03:02 <kparal> yes, he should be in a class now
15:03:10 * mkrizek is here
15:03:15 <jlaska> welcome
15:03:34 <jlaska> wwoods, robatino or jskladan lurking?
15:03:50 * wwoods lurrrrk
15:04:31 <jlaska> alrighty, let's get started, and hopefully others will join later
15:04:40 <jlaska> #link meeting agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-October/094777.html
15:04:48 <jlaska> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
15:05:11 <jlaska> I only had 1 item on the list
15:05:20 <jlaska> #info jlaska to check-in on https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/135
15:05:48 <jlaska> I've reached out to anaconda-devel-list@ for input/thoughts on whether this would make a good Fedora 15 topic
15:05:55 <jlaska> feel free to contribute at https://www.redhat.com/archives/anaconda-devel-list/2010-October/msg00187.html
15:06:01 <jlaska> anything else from last week/
15:06:53 <jlaska> alright ... moving on
15:06:57 <jlaska> #topic F-14-Final status
15:07:24 <jlaska> I've tried to list the highlights, next steps and upcoming milestones on the wiki https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20101018#F-14-Final_Test_status
15:07:35 <jlaska> adamw: do you want to walk us through?
15:07:59 <adamw> sure...
15:08:00 <jlaska> #action jlaska will send an updated F14Blocker ON_QA bug list to test@ later today
15:08:04 <adamw> so, we're near the end of TC1 testing now
15:08:45 <adamw> we have near-complete installation and desktop test matrices and the results are pretty good
15:08:46 <adamw> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_14_Final_TC1_Install
15:08:59 <adamw> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_14_Final_TC1_Desktop
15:09:21 * jlaska has an F12->F14 i386 preupgrade test inprogress ... but looking good
15:09:44 <adamw> the list of unmodified release blockers is fairly small - see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=538277&hide_resolved=1
15:10:25 * jlaska sees a few new graphics related bugs on the list
15:11:05 <adamw> yeah, they'll need looking at
15:11:18 <adamw> they may well be single-system X fails in which case we won't take them as blockers
15:11:48 <jlaska> right on, I'll scrub those after the meeting, may need some input from you
15:11:56 <adamw> i'll post in them soon
15:12:26 <jlaska> adamw: okay, thanks
15:12:27 <adamw> so the next step is to spin rc1; to do that we must have no open blockers, and we're scheduled to have it tomorrow
15:12:34 <adamw> so we need to clear up the few remaining open blockers today
15:12:51 <jlaska> I've scheduled some blocker annoyance time over lunch, would you like to join me? :)
15:14:05 <adamw> sure
15:14:21 <jlaska> alright, I'll ping you after the meeting today ... say 11am PDT (2pm EDT)?
15:14:25 <adamw> k
15:14:59 <jlaska> there has been really good discussion of blockers, use cases and tests on the list (test@) this release, that's really great to see
15:16:09 <jlaska> adamw: alright, what else is on the #topic radar for us?
15:16:44 * jlaska adds a plug ...
15:17:20 <jlaska> there have been some great additions to the F14 QA retrospective page, please keep them coming as you discover noteworthy events (good or bad) -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_QA_Retrospective
15:17:24 <jlaska> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_QA_Retrospective
15:17:36 * jlaska never remembers if meetbot does the #link automatically or not
15:18:30 <adamw> i think it does
15:18:39 <jlaska> alright ... then
15:18:46 <jlaska> quick reminders before moving on ...
15:19:01 <jlaska> #info I believe rhe will send a recap of the TC1 testing
15:19:13 <jlaska> #info Stay tuned for RC1 announcement (as noted earlier)
15:19:24 <jlaska> #info Oct 22 - F14Blocker review meeting planned
15:19:31 <jlaska> #info Oct 26 - F-14 Go/No Go meeting
15:19:48 <jlaska> #topic F14 Test Days
15:20:15 <jlaska> the only follow-up I had here was with regards to the OpenLDAP/NSS event last week
15:20:30 <jlaska> #info kparal posted a recap of the event on test-announce@ (http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test-announce/2010-October/000154.html)
15:20:46 <jlaska> kparal: anything else to add for this event?
15:21:15 <kparal> it was a hard topic, so the attendance was not really high, as expected
15:21:31 <kparal> but still the developers were glad they organized it
15:22:18 <kparal> as a side note, I updated https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/Live_Image guide, it should work once again. I also solved some problems in spin-kickstarts together with bruno wolf III
15:22:21 <jlaska> that's good, yes, it was definitely a focused topic
15:22:44 <jlaska> kparal: oh nice, I'll check out that updated page, thanks
15:22:58 <kparal> jlaska: you already did, you fixed my syntax :)
15:23:14 <jlaska> kparal: I should stop doing wiki while sleeping!
15:23:24 <kparal> that's all for the test day I think
15:23:26 <jlaska> kparal: oh, the {{FedoraVersion}} stuff
15:23:29 <jlaska> kparal: okay thanks
15:23:43 <jlaska> some follow-up #info's ...
15:23:51 <jlaska> #info No additional F-14 test days scheduled
15:24:04 <jlaska> #info Now accepting F-15 test day requests
15:24:33 <adamw> aypu
15:24:36 <adamw> ayup, even
15:25:01 <jlaska> alright, everyone start doing 'the robot', because here comes ...
15:25:03 <jlaska> #topic AutoQA package acceptance update
15:25:35 * kparal drums
15:25:43 <kparal> oh, am I on stage? :)
15:25:50 <jlaska> wwoods or kparal, want to walk through the 'next steps' we collected last week (see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20101018#AutoQA_Package_Acceptance_update)
15:26:05 <jlaska> and of course, feel free to add new exciting topics!
15:26:39 <wwoods> My bit is brief:
15:26:39 <kparal> I followed wwoods' blogposts, I read two of them. any more are planned, will?
15:27:05 <wwoods> yeah - there's a part 3 I'm working on that is turning kind of rambly
15:27:15 <kparal> I think I'd like to see some practical examples before creating the test case
15:27:23 <jlaska> wwoods: you could be like harry potter, and break up part three into multiple parts :)
15:27:24 <wwoods> practical examples of what?
15:27:48 <kparal> wwoods: of using depcheck, detecting errors, etc. so I can provide detailed guidelines in the test case
15:27:59 <jlaska> #info wwoods working on final depcheck blog post
15:28:35 <jlaska> #info kparal planning to define wiki test case using instructions from wwoods depcheck blog posts
15:29:07 <wwoods> ah - the third part mostly tries to spell out some things that depcheck doesn't handle, and some things we might want to do in the QA Infrastructure in the future
15:29:15 <wwoods> to make the test able to enforce the policy
15:29:38 <wwoods> adding some concrete examples of depcheck use might be a good idea to illustrate the first thing
15:29:53 <wwoods> so thanks for the idea~!
15:29:57 <kparal> ok, great
15:30:04 <kparal> looking forward to the third blogpost
15:30:07 <wwoods> the other thing I did last week: fixed up the mash code in the depcheck test
15:30:28 <wwoods> so it's actually mashing properly - at least in the unit tests
15:30:47 <jlaska> cool, that knocks out another follow-up
15:31:06 <wwoods> (the details of how multilib does its thing are worth a whole series of blog posts)
15:31:26 <jlaska> #info wwoods updated mash code in the depcheck test to properly mash and create multilib repos
15:32:22 <kparal> ok, and we have this one issue also knocked out: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/474
15:32:31 <jlaska> yay, thanks FESCO :)
15:32:38 <kparal> FESCo agreed that upgradepath should not consider updates-testing for now
15:32:55 <kparal> great news - less work for us :)
15:32:59 <jlaska> definitely
15:33:15 <jlaska> #info FESCO agreed that upgradepath should not consider updates-testing for now
15:33:39 <jlaska> what's left for jskladan's topic -- the resultsdb patchset?
15:33:52 <jlaska> is that just pending review ... or is there more work to be done there?
15:34:01 <kparal> I can't really speak for that
15:35:12 <jlaska> I thought jskladan was waiting for confirmation to push his branch into master
15:35:29 <jlaska> but I see feedback from wwoods on that patchset from last month
15:35:38 <jlaska> apologies if I'm missing a newer mail on the topic
15:35:55 <kparal> let's ask jskladan later on
15:35:57 <jlaska> okay
15:36:52 <kparal> last week I believe we also recevied some reviewed initscripts checkers from mkrizek
15:37:12 <jlaska> and I think they're in master now too, which is awesome
15:37:20 <jlaska> more initscript verification when we do our next autoqa build
15:37:31 <kparal> yes, mkrizek pushed them and jskladan pushed some more that were already waiting
15:37:41 <kparal> so we now have support for many more packages
15:37:54 <jlaska> #info mkrizek reviewed additional initscript tests, and jskladan pushed changes into master
15:37:59 <jlaska> that's exciting
15:38:02 <jlaska> nice work mkrizek
15:38:13 <mkrizek> I pushed two of them and two more are waiting to be approved from jskladan
15:38:41 <jlaska> alright, anything else you guys want to mention here?
15:39:15 <jlaska> otherwise, I vote we put the cone of silence around wwoods' cube so he can have uninterrupted blogging time :)
15:39:16 <kparal> that's about it I guess. last and this week it's mainly about TC/RC testing
15:39:37 <kparal> wwoods: your blogpost are great, keep it up :)
15:39:47 * jlaska agrees
15:40:11 <jlaska> #topic F-14-NTH (Nice to have) proposal status
15:40:30 <jlaska> adamw: I've had this on the list from last week, although I suspect we agreed stop tracking this
15:40:45 <jlaska> would you like to hold off checking in on this until post F-14?
15:40:48 <adamw> yeah, basically it's just waiting for me to find time to make the changes official
15:40:52 <adamw> there's not much to check in on
15:40:57 <jlaska> okay
15:41:09 <jlaska> if the flux capacitor shows up at your door ... we'll revisit this :)
15:41:22 <jlaska> #topic Open discussion <your topic here>
15:41:37 <jlaska> okay folks ... anything we didn't discuss/debate/review?
15:42:37 <jlaska> Okay, if no thoughts ... I'll close this out in 2:30
15:43:32 <jlaska> ending meeting in 00:01:30 ...
15:43:48 * jlaska needs to get short-delay fuses
15:44:31 <jlaska> 30 seconds ...
15:45:05 <jlaska> thanks all!
15:45:27 <jlaska> keep up the great testing work this week, and stay tuned to the list for RC1 availability
15:45:30 <jlaska> #endmeeting