23:00:44 <Sparks> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
23:00:44 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Sep 29 23:00:44 2010 UTC.  The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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23:00:44 <Sparks> #meetingname Fedora Docs
23:00:44 <Sparks> #topic Roll Call
23:00:44 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
23:00:56 * Gearoid is here
23:01:15 * rbergeron waves hai
23:01:17 * jjmcd 
23:01:45 * Sparks is here
23:03:49 <Sparks> Okay, let's get started.
23:04:03 <Sparks> #topic Follow up on last week's action items
23:04:15 <Sparks> #action Sparks to set default ticket holder to Docs list to allow everyone ability to see new tickets
23:04:37 <Sparks> I'll do that tonight.
23:04:46 <Sparks> jjmcd to document the process of translating non-English source guides
23:05:05 <jjmcd> still a couple of weeks out.  as i said past few weeks, that one is a ways down the list
23:05:16 <Sparks> #action jjmcd to document the process of translating non-English source guides
23:05:18 <jjmcd> But we are getting some experience
23:05:27 <Sparks> *  nb will look into providing a way for infra to create the l10n drafts
23:05:30 <Sparks> Opps
23:05:34 <Sparks> nb will look into providing a way for infra to create the l10n drafts
23:05:40 <nb> i still need to get with jjmcd
23:05:47 <Sparks> #action nb will look into providing a way for infra to create the l10n drafts
23:05:48 <nb> we will be using a publictest server
23:06:05 <Sparks> Okay
23:06:11 <Sparks> #topic Release Notes
23:06:21 <jjmcd> Hey there's rudi
23:06:21 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Notes_schedule
23:06:23 * rudi is belatedly here
23:06:25 <nb> it's just a matter of getting the appropriate people sponsored into the appropriate groups, and then creating the cron script
23:06:48 <jjmcd> I had the F14 beta on docs.fp.o yesterday, but I see today they are disappeared!
23:07:30 <Sparks> jjmcd: Really?
23:07:34 <jjmcd> yeah
23:07:37 * Sparks thought he saw them earlier
23:08:01 <jjmcd> I was talking with nb about an error i got trying to make them show up when they appeared
23:08:26 <Sparks> Hmmm
23:09:07 <jjmcd> no commits since then - very odd
23:09:15 <Sparks> jjmcd sent a message out to the list earlier today...
23:10:03 <Sparks> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2010-September/012695.html
23:10:30 <Sparks> so we'll need some help over the next few days/weeks
23:11:58 <Sparks> #info jjmcd will be away for a few weeks and won't be available as much as he usually is
23:12:19 <Sparks> jjmcd: I'll respond to your message and take some of the tasks
23:12:29 <jjmcd> cool
23:12:42 <Sparks> I'll also encourage others to take some tasks as well.
23:12:46 <jjmcd> I think you are the likely candidate for the notify ones
23:12:48 <Sparks> jjmcd: Got anything?
23:12:54 <Sparks> yeah
23:12:55 <jjmcd> But the wiki updates lots of folks could do
23:13:07 <jjmcd> heh
23:13:20 <jjmcd> The F14 release notes are there, just not on the menu
23:13:24 <jjmcd> go figure
23:14:01 <jjmcd> If I'm not back for making the RPM, the process is documented
23:14:21 <jjmcd> There is good odds I will have little or no Internet for extended periods, tho
23:14:55 <jjmcd> Nothing outstanding is especially hard
23:15:09 <Sparks> Okay
23:15:17 <Sparks> Anyone have anything?
23:15:44 <jjmcd> Good opportunity tho for someone else to practice at the rpm
23:15:56 <jjmcd> We could stand to update the beta rpm with more languages
23:16:40 <Sparks> Okay
23:16:53 <Sparks> You might send that out to the list
23:18:04 <Sparks> Okay, anything else before we move on?
23:18:48 <Sparks> #topic Guide Status
23:19:07 <Sparks> #info Sparks is branching the Security Guide now!
23:19:35 <Sparks> Anyone have anything they want to discuss with regards to their guide?
23:19:45 <Gearoid> Accessibility Guide was branched yesterday
23:20:06 <Sparks> #info Accessibility Guide was branched yesterday
23:20:24 <Sparks> Gearoid: Awesome!  Was jjmcd able to help you out with git?
23:20:47 <Gearoid> Yeah, jjmcd and rudi helped a lot, thanks guys! :)
23:20:50 <rudi> Branching of IG going on today
23:21:04 <rudi> (still having trouble with some tricky L10N merges)
23:21:22 <Sparks> rudi: Did you see the message on the list about a possible bug in the IG?
23:21:34 <rudi> Yeah; I'll get to it today hopefully
23:21:43 <rudi> I don't know the answer offhand without rereading those sections
23:21:55 <rudi> (in the F14 version, which isn't available yet, so may already be fixed)
23:22:03 <Sparks> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2010-September/012697.html
23:22:20 <Sparks> rudi: cool.
23:22:39 <Sparks> #info Installation Guide branching today
23:23:14 <Sparks> Anyone else?
23:23:37 <Sparks> Gearoid: Do you need any help getting the pot files fixed and submitted to transifex?
23:23:47 <Gearoid> done!
23:24:09 <jjmcd> Gearoid rocks!
23:24:32 <Gearoid> so do rudi and jjmcd!
23:24:54 <Sparks> Awesome!
23:25:42 <Sparks> Anyone/anything else?
23:26:37 <Sparks> Okay, moving on.
23:27:00 <Sparks> I'll mention...
23:27:03 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Publishing_draft_documentation
23:27:15 <Sparks> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
23:27:22 <Sparks> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
23:27:38 <Sparks> #info 87 open bugs
23:29:03 <Sparks> I'll just mention that we should keep up with the bugs... make sure the folks that file the tickets get timely feedback.
23:29:27 <Sparks> #topic Open floor discussion
23:29:35 <Sparks> Anyone have anything?
23:30:17 <bethlynn> sorry I'm late
23:30:18 * jjmcd notes that the release notes are there SOMETIMES !
23:30:30 <Sparks> bethlynn: Welcome!
23:30:47 <Sparks> jjmcd: That's... odd.  Maybe you should take that to Infra
23:31:05 <bethlynn> I have a question regarding the release notes
23:31:12 <jjmcd> Looks like even most of the time (I would have bet on 1/6th of the time)
23:31:21 <bethlynn> how late would you say the software is frozen in fedora?
23:31:39 <jjmcd> The software or the dox?
23:31:55 <bethlynn> pending any show stoppers, can I expect all of the software of the beta to be there
23:31:56 <bethlynn> ?
23:32:01 <jjmcd> Feature freeze comed pretty early
23:32:06 <jjmcd> comes
23:32:10 <bethlynn> for the beat writing purposed
23:32:20 <jjmcd> Yeah, RC should look like beta, feature wise
23:32:42 <jjmcd> If I recall, feature freeze is actually a while before beta
23:33:09 <jjmcd> But the actual version numbers of things, they change right up until release as bugs get located
23:33:37 <jjmcd> We had an issue like that this time, in fact
23:33:52 <jjmcd> We were pretty sure we would have systemd, but then the rug got pulled
23:34:44 <jjmcd> So for beat writing, beta is pretty safe
23:35:03 <jjmcd> Problem is, we try to get most of the writing done before beta :-(
23:37:24 <bethlynn> yeah, sorry, I didn't have time to work on the gnome beat that I signed up to write yet
23:38:12 <bethlynn> it also makes me wonder, is it safe to say its too late for LibreOffice?
23:39:04 <jjmcd> I think it was too late for that probably 3 months ago
23:39:13 <jjmcd> But, rules were made to be broken ;-)
23:39:31 <Sparks> Okay, anything else?
23:41:31 <Sparks> Okay, thanks everyone for coming out!
23:41:54 <Sparks> Please watch the Docs list and make sure everything gets done!
23:42:00 <Sparks> #endmeeting