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01:00:08 <StabbyMc> Hi everyone
01:00:18 <StabbyMc> Looks like it'll be a short meeting tonight so let's get rolling
01:00:18 <djf_jeff> hi
01:00:24 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora Ambassadors NA Meeting
01:00:30 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora Ambassadors NA Meeting - Announcements
01:00:37 <StabbyMc> So anyone have announcements?
01:00:51 <mock> i bought bacon tonight
01:01:16 <StabbyMc> Yea bacon!
01:01:20 <StabbyMc> Anyone else?
01:01:32 <djf_jeff> I just want to take the time to thanks spevack for the laptop for the Canadian Event box, I really appreciate it
01:01:34 <jsmith> FUDCon Tempe announced yesterday
01:02:42 <StabbyMc> It's on the Events page, yea!
01:02:53 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora Ambassadors NA Meeting - Events
01:03:00 <StabbyMc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents
01:03:21 <StabbyMc> So the closest event I see is LinuxCon, which is owned by spot.
01:03:35 <StabbyMc> I'm guessing he has whatever he needs for booth and sponsorship.
01:04:15 <StabbyMc> VileGent, herlo, you guys cool with your events so far?
01:05:15 <StabbyMc> Okie dokie.
01:05:24 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora Ambassadors NA Meeting - Budget Review
01:05:29 <StabbyMc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Budget
01:05:44 <StabbyMc> spevack, you around for budget stuff?
01:05:59 <StabbyMc> Also this is where we should discuss any need for budgeted items.
01:06:00 <inode0> we should change that link to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_budget maybe
01:06:22 <StabbyMc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_budget
01:06:45 <ke4qqq> or just redirect
01:06:55 <inode0> tonight was supposed to be quaid and lcafiero_afk telling us what they need, are they here?
01:07:37 <ke4qqq> what they need for??
01:08:17 <StabbyMc> inode0: you mentioned maybe needing a bunch of stickers, what's up with that?
01:09:22 <inode0> yes, we might but I don't don't really know today what we might need
01:09:36 <inode0> do you recall the cost/# we got last time?
01:09:48 <StabbyMc> One second, I'll look it up.
01:10:44 <StabbyMc> $675 + shipping for 3000
01:11:46 <inode0> well if we have 3000 of them we should be good - someone may need to send me a few hundred later
01:11:59 <StabbyMc> inode0: I don't know that we have 3000 anymore.
01:12:01 <inode0> I'll update when I know
01:12:17 <StabbyMc> Mine are almost gone, maybe 50?
01:12:21 <inode0> I'm sure we don't but there must be a lot
01:13:09 <inode0> anyway, all I can do is bring it up again when needed - or if we know we want more we can just re-order
01:13:26 <StabbyMc> kk
01:13:29 <inode0> let's just re-order when convenient for you?
01:13:51 <inode0> those are great and we'll definitely use them
01:13:53 <ke4qqq> +1 for re-order when convenient
01:14:02 <ke4qqq> not like we are planning on changing logo anytime soon
01:14:14 <StabbyMc> mchua: what's the NA budget look like, can it take an additional $700 for stickers this quarter?
01:14:27 <inode0> don't ask, we have money
01:14:46 <herlo> hi all
01:14:51 <StabbyMc> Okie dokie, it shall be done.
01:15:00 * herlo forgot the meeting was happening :/
01:15:04 <mchua> StabbyMc: I... don't know, I thought y'all had a place to keep track of budget?
01:15:19 * mchua doesn't stay atop Ambassadorial budgetary matters, is really just a credit card minion here.
01:15:33 <inode0> I can mention we also are reordering t-shirts - about 100 will go to Southern_Gentlem & OLF, the rest to spread around
01:15:49 <inode0> mchua: we are good with budget understanding, don't worry
01:15:56 <mchua> w00t
01:16:13 <mchua> Oh, can I request the creation of men's S or women's shirts?
01:16:35 <mchua> Since... people my size do show up to the events we go to, and even if there aren't many of us it would be nice to have something for them?
01:16:35 <StabbyMc> mchua: the long sleeve button up comes in any size you want and in womens :-)
01:16:38 <ke4qqq> mchua: we do - and we are very understanding that max's card is burning a hole in his pocket
01:16:40 <mchua> Yay!
01:16:45 <inode0> you can request but I think that will be a fail this time since I think the order went out yesterday
01:16:57 <djf_jeff> Can I request some shirts? I would like to have some to put in the event box and for my own events
01:16:59 <inode0> the only addition was some 2XL
01:16:59 <mchua> No worries. :) I didn't have a particular event in mind, it's just something I'd love to see in orders in general.
01:17:14 <inode0> mchua: I'll keep that request in mind for next order
01:17:23 * mchua nods, thanks!
01:17:33 <ke4qqq> djf_jeff: is it easier for us to just pay to have them made there?
01:17:46 <mchua> Oh, and note for LinuxCon that we've got F13 liveCDs (and possibly some DVDs) left over from OSCON coming up for that.
01:18:04 <djf_jeff> ke4qqq: maybe, I should look up the price
01:18:10 <inode0> spot reported having a box too
01:18:16 <StabbyMc> mchua: you know that the shirts can shrink up to a size after washing, is that still too big?
01:18:20 <inode0> djf_jeff: we can send you some I'm sure
01:18:26 <djf_jeff> but I will surely go to Raleigh again in September, maybe pick them up there
01:18:33 <crossbytes> did someone get usb drives and how much were they and what size and did it include logo?
01:18:34 <inode0> that works too
01:18:56 <inode0> crossbytes: I think the answer is no
01:19:00 <ke4qqq> djf_jeff: they are REALLY bulky - when they get shipped to me they come in a box larger than a large desktop pc shipping box. almost the size of the event box.
01:19:18 <crossbytes> we had Live CD's left over from OSCON?
01:19:19 <mchua> StabbyMc: Yep, still too big.
01:19:20 <ke4qqq> crossbytes: lots of people talked about it - to my knowledge no one has done any follow up work on it.
01:19:32 <inode0> 2GB USB with logo run around $10 iirc
01:19:42 <djf_jeff> ke4qqq: do you have a rough estimate how do they cost to make? just to have a reference when asking price here
01:19:43 <mchua> crossbytes: SO many CDs left over from OSCON. What LinuxCon is getting is the leftovers ianweller and I didn't manage to give away. It's... a decent pile.
01:20:03 <ke4qqq> djf_jeff: ~5USD when our quantity is 280+
01:20:15 <mchua> I mean, not terribly much, but... about a cubic foot, I think.
01:20:26 <inode0> I got quotes on custom USB sticks from the supplier used at the Summit
01:20:31 <inode0> Expensive
01:20:33 <djf_jeff> ke4qqq: good, I will check for some quotes around here to see if it could be cheaper
01:20:53 <ke4qqq> cool - let us know, otherwise we can ship you some
01:20:56 <crossbytes> OSCON Portland?
01:21:27 <inode0> I have one other item that sort of falls in here
01:21:46 * inode0 waits for the floor
01:21:51 * ke4qqq listens to inode0
01:22:19 <inode0> there was recently some discussion about swag, contributors, etc. on f-a-b
01:22:41 <inode0> one of the suggestions, which we've considered in the past, was to get custom lanyards
01:23:07 <inode0> we normally reject them because they are a bit of a mess to get made and most people only wear them once
01:23:34 <inode0> thought: make nice custom fedora lanyards to give to contributors attending FUDCon tempe
01:24:02 <inode0> we expect these contributors will attend multiple conferences and will wear this fedora gear to all of them
01:24:16 <inode0> as a way of showing their fedora allegience
01:25:10 <inode0> nice ones appear to me to run under $3 each - I'd like to make maybe 250 - with half going to FUDCon and the other half to be used by ambassadors however we think best
01:25:25 <crossbytes> +1 for Fedora Ambassador custom lanyards
01:25:30 <dnhodgson> +1
01:25:57 <ke4qqq> inode0: is there a benefit to getting them made in larger quantity for fudcon emea
01:26:00 <ke4qqq> as well
01:26:06 <herlo> +1 ke4qqq
01:26:25 <inode0> I'd have to go back and look
01:26:37 <inode0> isn't that next month?
01:26:44 <inode0> I don't think they can be made that fast
01:26:49 <ke4qqq> think it's end of next month
01:27:21 <inode0> they have a 4 or 5 week delivery lag normally and I don't have approved artwork or anything yet
01:27:37 <ke4qqq> ahhh ok
01:27:59 <inode0> but I'll check on where the cost breaks are and how much they are
01:28:16 <inode0> they weren't going to be huge though
01:28:29 <herlo> do it quickly :)
01:28:41 <inode0> do what quickly?
01:28:48 <herlo> cost breaks
01:28:52 <herlo> and purchasing
01:29:09 <inode0> give me the artwork tonight and I'll do it all quickly
01:29:19 <herlo> inode0: for lanyards?
01:29:24 <inode0> otherwise I'm going to be waiting on the artwork
01:29:31 <herlo> wouldn't it just be the blue color with a white fedora and the logo?
01:29:39 <herlo> or vice versa?
01:29:44 <herlo> seems easy enough to me
01:29:51 <inode0> then you do it
01:29:56 <herlo> no
01:30:00 * inode0 is finished
01:30:04 <herlo> I was giving a suggestion
01:30:38 <StabbyMc> Any other budgetary itemy things?
01:31:11 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora Ambassadors NA Meeting - Unfinished Business
01:31:25 <StabbyMc> Any unfinished business?
01:31:30 <herlo> StabbyMc: is this the same thing as 'open floor'?
01:31:34 <herlo> if not, I'll wait
01:31:48 <StabbyMc> herlo: no its for things that are outstanding I think.
01:31:59 <herlo> k
01:32:00 * herlo waits
01:32:02 <StabbyMc> I think I'll take it off the agenda though and just go to open floor.
01:32:08 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora Ambassadors NA Meeting - Open Floor
01:32:14 <herlo> whee!
01:32:15 * StabbyMc yeilds to herlo
01:32:20 <herlo> or yields?
01:32:28 * herlo is so pedantic tonight, sorry
01:32:29 <herlo> anyway
01:32:46 <herlo> I know that inode0 has heard this idea and mchua came up with it, but I think we need to implement this idea sometime sono
01:32:52 <herlo> or soon
01:33:03 <herlo> Fedora takes the RHCE
01:33:24 <herlo> the idea being that we get together a FAD of sorts, to help Fedoran's study and then take the RHCE
01:33:32 <herlo> once a quarter or something like that
01:34:07 <herlo> have RH/Fedora foot the bill for 5-7 exams depending on demand.  I think there's a good possibility of some sort of good discount on the exam...
01:34:18 <StabbyMc> herlo: we're going to have to get permission from GLS, and I have a feeling they'll be stingy.
01:34:27 <herlo> and if played right, they can use it for promotion
01:34:30 <ke4qqq> so who is gonna own this?
01:34:33 <herlo> StabbyMc: permission for what??
01:34:42 <StabbyMc> giving exams with no rev.
01:34:45 <herlo> to study for the exam??
01:34:53 <StabbyMc> No for giving it.
01:34:59 <herlo> rev == revenue?
01:35:07 <herlo> StabbyMc: ^^
01:35:10 <StabbyMc> Ya.
01:35:12 <herlo> okay
01:35:21 <herlo> StabbyMc: yeah, that's the part where we'll have to see how it goes
01:35:26 * herlo plans to own it btw, ke4qqq
01:35:35 <ke4qqq> cool
01:35:35 <StabbyMc> herlo: I can help too if needed.
01:35:38 <herlo> I'm thinking we can work something out either way..
01:35:40 <herlo> StabbyMc: awesome!
01:35:51 <crossbytes> would this be for contributors or users and if users should that not fall as part of the Fedora Scholarship maybe?
01:36:17 <herlo> contributors, and there would be criterion
01:36:22 <herlo> well criteria
01:36:33 <herlo> not sure how that's all going to work yet, but yeah, like the scholarship
01:36:38 <StabbyMc> herlo: one of the issues may be that Fedora skills aren't always backwards compatible to RHEL.
01:36:53 <herlo> crossbytes: I don't think it's something that's a Fedora Scholarship per se
01:37:01 <herlo> StabbyMc: indeed, whcih is why the study sessions are vital
01:37:40 <herlo> for now, that's all I've got, just wanted to get feedback here and will check in periodically as we develop the program
01:37:47 <herlo> sounds like there is definitely some interest in this idea
01:37:53 <crossbytes> wow this sound great would love to learn more is there a wiki?
01:38:00 * herlo thanks mchua for the idea and ianweller for telling me about her idea
01:38:16 <herlo> crossbytes: not yet, we can meet offline and create something probably
01:38:55 * herlo is finished on that topic and done with any open floor stuff he had to bring up
01:39:27 <crossbytes> sounds good but I am busy till after the 8th my daughter is getting married 08/09/10
01:40:02 <herlo> crossbytes: no worries
01:40:13 <herlo> crossbytes: I don't plan to have it going too soon, so that shoudl be fine
01:40:58 <crossbytes> i will e mail you or you me this sounds like a great project to work on.
01:41:08 <herlo> cool
01:41:28 <herlo> crossbytes: sounds like with you and StabbyMc, we should knock this out quickly
01:42:06 <StabbyMc> Ok, any other Open Floor?
01:42:50 <StabbyMc> Alright, that's meeting.
01:42:54 <StabbyMc> #endmeeting