19:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting FESCO (2010-03-30)
19:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname fesco
19:00:01 <nirik> #chair dgilmore notting nirik skvidal Kevin_Kofler ajax pjones cwickert mjg59
19:00:01 <nirik> #topic init process
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19:00:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler ajax cwickert dgilmore mjg59 nirik notting pjones skvidal
19:00:10 <mjg59> Afternoon
19:00:17 <pjones> greetings, starfighter
19:00:20 * skvidal is here
19:00:25 <Kevin_Kofler> Present.
19:00:30 <skvidal> pjones: wow, that's a blast
19:00:35 * nirik is ready to face Zur and the Kodan armada.
19:00:38 <skvidal> I need to see if they have that on dvd
19:00:42 <pjones> they do.
19:00:56 * nirik notes we are missing cwickert and notting in channel.
19:01:04 <skvidal> notting is on vacation
19:01:18 <skvidal> so I think he's unlikely to be hopping in from his cruiseship
19:01:19 <pjones> skvidal: there's even a 25th anniversary edition
19:01:53 <nirik> ajax / dgilmore: around?
19:02:04 <skvidal> pjones: looking to see if it is captioned,  too
19:02:46 <nirik> ok. I guess we do have quorum, so we can go ahead and get started...
19:03:02 <pjones> skvidal: Subtitles: English, French, Spanish
19:03:26 <skvidal> pjones: interesting - the one on netflix only says french
19:03:28 <pjones> skvidal: collector's widescreen edition seems to be english and french only
19:03:34 <skvidal> ah ha
19:03:40 <skvidal> okay - so, back to the meeting :)
19:03:42 * dgilmore is here
19:03:52 <nirik> ok, first some followups / status updates.
19:04:02 <nirik> #topic #347 tor is not compliant with Fedora guidelines
19:04:08 <nirik> .fesco 347
19:04:09 <zodbot> nirik: #347 (tor is not compliant with Fedora guidelines) - FESCo - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/347
19:04:29 <nirik> The tor maintainer has made correct changes for rawhide/devel... but doesn't want to push those to stable releases.
19:05:09 <nirik> I can try and talk him into it further, I think he mis-understands what we are asking for...
19:05:14 <Kevin_Kofler> Those changes should be pushed to F11/F12/F13 ASAP as they fix some reported bugs, in addition to making the package (hopefully) compliant to our guidelines.
19:06:08 <nirik> I think he's thinking we want the entire init script re-writen with no lsb stuff, but really all we want is chkconfig instead of init_install or whatever crazy lsb thing it's using.
19:06:17 <skvidal> okay two questions
19:06:46 <skvidal> 1. compelling him to do backport b/c of a policy issue seems like a bad choice - thinking about all the pkgs out there that aren't compliant
19:07:01 <skvidal> 2. if this is a high-impact item can any provenpackager hit them?
19:07:08 <nirik> #info bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=532373
19:07:20 <skvidal> nirik: I've been reading the bug
19:07:56 <nirik> Yeah, I agree with both. I think it would be good to fix... but of course it needs testing to confirm it's not going to break things...
19:09:08 <skvidal> nirik: and I'm still a little fuzzy on how this is high-impact
19:09:39 <nirik> I was suggesting to him that he push this as part of any other update that needs doing in the statble releases...
19:10:39 <nirik> so, 1) wait a week and I will talk to them, 2) ask a provenpackager to just do it, 3) just close this and let stable releases wait?
19:10:49 <skvidal> I'm for 1 and 2
19:10:51 <skvidal> actually
19:10:53 <skvidal> so something like
19:11:10 <skvidal> 1. wait a week and talk to them - and float the idea of 2. some provenpackager doing it
19:11:21 <Kevin_Kofler> +1 to that.
19:11:23 <dgilmore> skvidal: that wins
19:11:43 <nirik> sounds fine to me.
19:11:51 <nirik> would you like to update the bug? Or should I?
19:12:00 <skvidal> the bug or the ticket?
19:12:14 <nirik> either I guess.
19:12:33 <pjones> sure, why not?
19:12:42 <ajax> (i'm here)
19:12:56 <pjones> ajax: was that intended as a vote? ;)
19:13:01 <ajax> not really.
19:13:41 <ajax> but skvidal's idea sounds sane
19:13:51 * skvidal will update the ticket and bug
19:14:00 <nirik> #agreed Will ask maintainer to please push the update to other releases, and look at getting a provenpackager to do the update if nothing happens in a week
19:14:12 <nirik> #action skvidal will update ticket/bug for tor
19:14:20 <nirik> #topic #351 Create a policy for updates
19:14:35 <nirik> I have some info here, but think we might be best just defering a week for when notting is back.
19:14:49 <skvidal> +1 to defer for notting
19:14:53 <pjones> +1
19:14:58 <ajax> +1
19:14:59 <nirik> Basically the changes in pkgdb/bodhi shouldn't be very hard... abadger1999 doesn't have much time to work on it so we may need to get someone to do patches there.
19:15:02 <skvidal> the world ain't gonna change in a week
19:15:25 <Kevin_Kofler> defer +1
19:15:27 <nirik> notting was working on figuring the critpath loading stuff.
19:15:37 <nirik> #agreed Will defer this another week.
19:15:44 <nirik> #topic #356 'distribution' vs 'general' in bugzilla
19:15:56 <nirik> This is just pending hearing about sorting it to the top of the list.
19:16:06 <nirik> no word back on that yet that I know of.
19:16:10 <nirik> .fesco 356
19:16:11 <zodbot> nirik: #356 ('distribution' vs 'general' in bugzilla) - FESCo - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/356
19:16:20 <Kevin_Kofler> So defer & move on. :-)
19:16:28 <pjones> yep
19:16:30 <nirik> yep. Just informational.
19:16:39 <pjones> notting was looking in to that, IIRC.
19:16:44 <pjones> so, you know, defer for notting
19:16:49 <nirik> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=576320
19:17:07 <nirik> #agreed defer to hear back from bug
19:17:17 <nirik> #topic #359 Exception request for Virt Bridged Networking feature
19:17:20 <nirik> .fesco 359
19:17:25 <zodbot> nirik: #359 (Exception request for Virt Bridged Networking feature) - FESCo - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/359
19:17:40 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Shared_Network_Interface
19:17:58 <nirik> basically a done feature that was not added to the feature process on time.
19:18:27 <pjones> I don't see any good that can come of /not/ granting this.
19:18:35 <ajax> likewise
19:18:39 <mjg59> Yeah
19:18:47 <nirik> yeah, it's done, it's in, it should be touted.
19:18:56 * skvidal doesn't like the word 'tout'
19:19:01 <skvidal> but other than that - seems fine
19:19:15 <nirik> sad that NM integration isn't there tho
19:19:39 <pjones> there's always next time
19:20:06 <Kevin_Kofler> +1 to accepting this feature.
19:20:10 <nirik> ok, I think thats +6...
19:20:21 <nirik> #agreed Late Feature is accepted.
19:20:31 <nirik> #topic #361 Units policy
19:20:36 <nirik> .fesco 361
19:20:37 <zodbot> nirik: #361 (Units policy) - FESCo - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/361
19:20:48 <nirik> basically ubuntu has implemented some kind of units policy...
19:20:48 <pjones> I believe we should use units
19:20:59 <nirik> we have been asked if we want to do something similar or don't care.
19:21:17 <Kevin_Kofler> KDE has been following that for a while.
19:21:20 <pjones> I think MiB and whatnot are the stupidest thing that has happened since the advent of MS-DOS, and that's really saying something.
19:21:28 <pjones> (that's right, I think it's dumber than java.)
19:21:31 * skvidal wonders what it means for fesco to adopt this?
19:21:34 <dgilmore> I think we should be consistent.  however i think that most of the time people really don understand the differences between base2 and base10 numbers for the units
19:21:43 <ajax> as i said on the ticket: i don't think it's something we need to address.
19:21:46 <skvidal> pjones: +1 on MiB being silly as goose nuts
19:21:54 <Kevin_Kofler> MiB is correct.
19:22:02 <Kevin_Kofler> MB is a million bytes.
19:22:06 <nirik> upstream (at least one) is asking us...
19:22:09 <Kevin_Kofler> We need to stop the abuse of MB to mean MiB.
19:22:19 <pjones> Kevin_Kofler: nice retcon.
19:22:20 * skvidal falls into the doesn't give a crap category
19:22:34 <pjones> anyway, +1 for agreeing not to take this subject up.
19:22:37 <skvidal> though I'm pretty sure i'll never say MiB b/c it makes me think of Will Smith
19:22:43 <Kevin_Kofler> pjones: It has always been an abuse of "mega-" to use it for 1024².
19:22:55 <skvidal> and that makes me think of the song 'Miami' and I don't want that
19:22:59 <Kevin_Kofler> It's just that there wasn't a better term, there is now.
19:23:02 <ajax> nirik: "at least one"?
19:23:07 <pjones> Kevin_Kofler: if you can live with that fiction, I guess I'm happy for you.
19:23:36 <nirik> ajax: well, the person who filed the ticket said one of the packages they maintain asked them, so they were asking us.
19:24:10 <ajax> not to be impolite, but rahul tends to make mountains of molehills.
19:24:16 <pjones> k means kilo which in bytes means 1024.  M means Mega which is 1024 of those.  As the episcopals say, "as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be."
19:24:17 <Kevin_Kofler> I think we should be consistent with what KDE does and ban using kB/KB, MB, GB, TB for 1024^n and recommend the use of KiB, MiB, GiB, TiB everywhere.
19:24:40 <pjones> I think we should be consistent and ban KDE everywhere ;)
19:24:47 <Kevin_Kofler> Kilo means 1000, not 1024.
19:25:01 <ajax> children.  we're not being asked to define terms here.
19:25:02 <dgilmore> I personaly dont get the point of MiB etc
19:25:05 * skvidal thinks we should tilt at windmills
19:25:06 <pjones> in seriousness, though, I still vote for not taking this point up.
19:25:12 <Kevin_Kofler> And one reason why KDE uses the KiB etc. terms is that they're unambiguous.
19:25:15 <ajax> we're being asked whether fedora should have a policy about it.
19:25:15 <dgilmore> its not how its taught in schools
19:25:19 <Kevin_Kofler> When you read "KB", you don't know which it is.
19:25:24 <pjones> Kevin_Kofler: no, they're just differently ambiguous.
19:25:24 <mjg59> The Ubuntu units policy does not represent the usage anywhere else in the universe
19:25:31 <nirik> ok, so how many 'We should just not have an opinion' votes is that?
19:25:36 <Kevin_Kofler> When you read "KiB", you know for sure what is meant.
19:25:42 <pjones> Kevin_Kofler: no I don't.
19:25:56 <dgilmore> I dont either
19:25:58 <Kevin_Kofler> KiB is always 1024 bytes.
19:25:59 <mjg59> So I think us adopting it is unhelpful, and I don't think there's anything else to standardise on
19:26:01 <ajax> nirik: i count three ( me pjones skvidal )
19:26:07 <Kevin_Kofler> MiB 1024², GiB 1024³ etc.
19:26:11 <mjg59> If individual projects want to have their own style guides then that's good
19:26:20 <mjg59> But I'm +1 to us not caring
19:26:28 <dgilmore> i dont know what KiB is
19:26:31 <skvidal> that's 4 for not caring
19:26:31 <pjones> mjg59: we encourage all projects to come to their own opinion and stick with it?
19:26:31 <robatino> look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Mediakit_ISO_Size
19:26:43 <Kevin_Kofler> It's a bug if something is saying "MB" when it means MiB.
19:26:44 <skvidal> dgilmore: I think it has to do with the oracle of bacon and the presence of kevin bacon in a movie
19:26:46 <robatino> try writing that without the proper distinction between IEC and SI
19:26:52 <skvidal> Kevin in Bacon
19:26:56 <dgilmore> skvidal: likely
19:27:04 <Kevin_Kofler> It didn't matter in the past because it was just a few bytes more or less.
19:27:05 <mjg59> Kevin_Kofler: The entire storage industry is buggy, then
19:27:10 <pjones> Kevin_Kofler: as an upstream maintainer, there are several projects which I will not change to meet your bullshit rewording.
19:27:13 <mjg59> Kevin_Kofler: And it makes sense for us to be bug-for-bug compatible with them
19:27:14 <Kevin_Kofler> But with GiB vs. GB, it makes a HUGE difference.
19:27:20 <skvidal> mjg59: well, I agree with that statement
19:27:39 <Kevin_Kofler> pjones: Then your projects are broken and must be patched in Fedora.
19:27:50 <Kevin_Kofler> But really, you ought to fix this upstream too.
19:27:51 <pjones> Kevin_Kofler: good luck with that.
19:28:06 <skvidal> dgilmore: you +1 on not caring?
19:28:16 <Kevin_Kofler> -1 to not caring.
19:28:38 <dgilmore> skvidal: i dont care
19:28:45 <skvidal> you don't care if you don't care?
19:28:49 <Kevin_Kofler> We should enforce the KDE policy (or the Ubuntu one which is fairly close AFAICT).
19:28:52 <skvidal> b/c that's SUPER apathy! :)
19:28:56 <nirik> ok, so that would be 5 then...
19:29:17 <dgilmore> +1 on not caring
19:29:32 <Kevin_Kofler> It's the job of a distribution to be consistent.
19:29:43 <nirik> #agreed Fesco currently would rather upstream projects form their own policies than anything being enforced in Fedora at this time.
19:29:44 <dgilmore> skvidal: im in complete apathy
19:29:49 <mjg59> It's the job of a distribution to be sane
19:29:50 <Kevin_Kofler> I don't see why we should tolerate apps which don't follow established IEC standards and are inconsistent with what KDE shows.
19:30:06 <dgilmore> if i were to recommend anything it would be for banning MiB and freinds
19:30:14 <dgilmore> you can only wathc the movie so many times
19:30:15 <mjg59> Kevin_Kofler: You want us to mandate a standard that's incompatible with the entier storage industry?
19:30:25 <Kevin_Kofler> It's NOT incompatible!
19:30:30 <Kevin_Kofler> Quite the opposite.
19:30:32 <skvidal> dgilmore: and MiB 2 - they had neat guns - but it was worth it
19:30:40 <mjg59> Kevin_Kofler: Yes it is. Vendors label in MB but mean MiB
19:30:45 <ajax> pretty sure we're done here.
19:30:52 * nirik personally doesn't mind the MiB junk, but lets move on...
19:30:53 <Kevin_Kofler> It will stop us from claiming your 500 GB HDD only has some 400 + odds GB.
19:30:54 <mjg59> No, wait. I'm wrong.
19:30:55 <mjg59> Ignore me.
19:31:05 <nirik> #topic #360 Adjust FESCo Election Policy to match practices of combined elections.
19:31:06 <Kevin_Kofler> Instead it'll say 500 GB or 4xx GiB.
19:31:12 <nirik> .fesco 360
19:31:16 <zodbot> nirik: #360 (Adjust FESCo Election Policy to match practices of combined elections.) - FESCo - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/360
19:31:33 <dgilmore> +1 for adjusting
19:31:41 <dgilmore> its what we have been doing anyway
19:31:45 <mjg59> Yeah, this seems like a no brainer
19:31:49 <skvidal> +1 to adjusting
19:31:51 <ajax> approve/
19:32:06 <pjones> yeah
19:32:20 <nirik> +1 here, I think adjusting is fine...
19:32:26 <Kevin_Kofler> +1
19:32:40 <nirik> #agreed This Adjustment is approved
19:32:55 <nirik> #topic #362: Incomplete Fedora 13 Features
19:33:14 <nirik> we have a bunch of these... will go through each in turn I guess?
19:33:29 <dgilmore> yep
19:33:37 <mjg59> Well, gnome 2.30 can't be marked 100% until gnome 2.30 is released...
19:33:41 <nirik> #topic https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DesktopLiveImageTarget
19:34:02 <nirik> We approved this, we just need to get them to mark it 100% and finish cleaning it up.
19:34:35 <Kevin_Kofler> -1 to dropping, we just had this filed, it'd be completely silly for us to drop it. ;-)
19:34:51 <mjg59> Are there any of these features that we want to drop?
19:35:16 <pjones> multipath might be reasonable to move to f14 (well, to move parts of it there), but I'd just as soon wait on that decision.
19:35:28 <nirik> well, 'want to drop' I would say no... but there might be some that just don't seem to be done/ready.
19:35:34 <pjones> (in that I might be able to knock the whole thing out in a day or two if I can get a damn chance ;)
19:35:36 <cjb> (I'm here, happy to talk about btrfs whenever convenient.)
19:35:38 <nirik> shall we just backup and look at specific ones?
19:35:57 <nirik> .fesco 362
19:35:58 <zodbot> nirik: #362 (Incomplete Fedora 13 Features) - FESCo - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/362
19:36:21 <mjg59> It looks like the Python one has hit a snag and is being worked on
19:36:26 <nirik> Beta is in a week.
19:36:42 <nirik> Things not 100% by Beta should be dropped/retargeted for next release.
19:37:45 <Kevin_Kofler> IMHO, the only point at which we can really say that a feature didn't make it is when the last RC for the final release (the one which gets declared gold) is composed.
19:37:53 * nirik has asked mclasen to drop in and help give us status on things.
19:38:09 <nirik> hey mclasen
19:38:13 <mclasen> hey
19:38:38 <mclasen> I have been negligent of feature page duty...
19:38:44 <mclasen> to many distractions this cycle...
19:38:54 <nirik> no worries. :)
19:39:03 <nirik> .fesco 362
19:39:03 <zodbot> nirik: #362 (Incomplete Fedora 13 Features) - FESCo - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/362
19:39:11 <nirik> this ticket has the list of not 100% ones.
19:39:29 <nirik> #topic #362: Incomplete Fedora 13 Features
19:39:55 <nirik> How about we see if there are any that we should drop? does anyone see features that look like they are in danger of not making it?
19:40:17 <mjg59> cjb: Is the btrfs rollback support realistically going to make it?
19:40:55 <cjb> So, we aimed for three features:  kernel support for listing/setting snapshots, a yum plugin for creating new snapshots automatically, and a GUI for choosing which snapshot to boot into.
19:41:03 <ajax> btrfs is the only one that looks marginal to me.
19:41:20 <dgilmore> the intellij-idea one says its 100%
19:41:25 <cjb> The first two are 100%, and the GUI isn't ready yet because the others took too long.  Josef recommends just setting the feature as 100% and deferring the GUI to next release, which I'm inclined to agree with.
19:41:32 <cjb> (we still have a text UI, just not a GUI)
19:41:42 <Kevin_Kofler> Yeah, that makes sense.
19:41:42 <pjones> dgilmore: I think we've got about a week of lag between making that list and looking at it, so that's not surprising.
19:41:44 <mjg59> cjb: Ok
19:41:47 <nirik> cjb: sounds reasonable.
19:41:52 <dgilmore> cjb: that sounds fine
19:41:52 <mclasen> nirik: gnome 2.30 is 99% done, I need to do some 10 or so builds to get everything in
19:41:52 <cjb> cool, will do that, then.  thakns.
19:42:00 <mjg59> mclasen: The user admin dialog?
19:42:06 <nirik> mclasen: yeah, saw the 2.30 builds landing. ;) Cool.
19:42:21 <mclasen> user accounts dialog is also basically done for f13
19:42:28 <mjg59> mclasen: Ok, sounds good
19:42:28 <mclasen> halfline built the gdm part last week
19:42:37 <mclasen> and I landed a big code review of the service and dialog today
19:42:52 <mjg59> I suspect virtx2apic just needs a link to the documentation
19:42:59 <mjg59> So I don't think we need to drop anything right now
19:43:14 <Kevin_Kofler> I see 2 features not updated recently and not at 100%:
19:43:20 <mclasen> desktop live image size is largely walters' child at this point, and still a little fuzzy
19:43:21 * nirik looks at moblin and sugar
19:43:21 <Kevin_Kofler> Virtx2apic and YumLangpackPlugin
19:43:23 <dgilmore> moblin 2.2 i think we should wait and see what the fall out is
19:43:35 <Kevin_Kofler> Both are about 2 months out of date and the status doesn't contain any details.
19:43:36 * pjones steps out to use the restroom
19:44:00 * mclasen goes to update some of the feature pages
19:44:18 <Kevin_Kofler> I'm also a bit worried about the Moblin status as upstream is renaming the final release, so it looks like we'll have tons of rename reviews to deal with.
19:44:50 <Kevin_Kofler> The remaining features all look like they'll definitely make it.
19:45:26 * pjones returns
19:46:16 <nirik> I can bother the YumLangPackPlugin feature owner later tonight...
19:47:54 <nirik> I note that our next meeting is after Beta is out.
19:48:10 <nirik> so, shall we leave all these, and do another pass later in the week? or monday?
19:49:00 <nirik> thoughts?
19:49:19 <skvidal> do we have more to go through other than these?
19:49:21 <dgilmore> i think we should push for them to be updated and finished
19:49:33 <dgilmore> skvidal: i think these are it
19:49:38 <dgilmore> the resta are all done
19:49:46 <nirik> skvidal: for features? just these... the rest are 100%
19:49:58 <skvidal> nirik: no - I mean non-feature items for the meeting
19:50:02 <skvidal> do we have anything else to cover?
19:50:04 <ajax> i'm fine with the list as it is (YumLangPack followup would be nice)
19:50:08 <dgilmore> oh
19:50:19 <nirik> oh, sorry... just a FES update... and open floor.
19:50:42 <Kevin_Kofler> I think we shouldn't drop any of those features at this time.
19:51:09 <nirik> dgilmore: yeah, we should press them to update for sure... but should we drop anything now?
19:51:32 <dgilmore> nirik: i dont think so.
19:51:42 <Kevin_Kofler> But we should nag folks to provide status updates and to get things to 100% ASAP.
19:52:06 <nirik> It would be nice to be able to check before Beta goes out.
19:52:09 <Kevin_Kofler> (and if the stuff which is written there is not 100%, then they need to change the feature page to mention only what's done, as in the process)
19:52:41 <Kevin_Kofler> nirik: I don't see how that's relevant.
19:53:11 <Kevin_Kofler> So far it looks like all the features are done or almost done in the beta and will be done in the final release.
19:53:18 <nirik> Kevin_Kofler: because we are going to advertise these with the Beta release... and if they don't get finished and must be dropped, we should really not do that.
19:53:47 <Kevin_Kofler> Well, I don't see any of the features there which is so incomplete it cannot be advertised.
19:53:55 <nirik> yeah, probibly true.
19:54:14 <nirik> ok, I guess we all try and get things updated and just move on? Any further discussion on this topic?
19:54:24 <mjg59> Not from me
19:54:38 <ajax> nope.
19:54:43 <nirik> #topic FES update
19:54:50 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-engineering-services/report/6
19:54:52 <Kevin_Kofler> I do think the Yum Langpack Plugins and Virtx2apic features could use updating, and if not 100%, a more detailed report of what's missing (and possibly refocusing the feature).
19:55:09 <nirik> Nothing big here... some new unassigned tickets for interested folks tho.
19:55:17 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-engineering-services/ticket/15
19:55:29 <nirik> port syslinux isohybrid perl script to C
19:55:45 <nirik> otherwise tickets moving along... deps being fixed, etc.
19:56:15 <nirik> mmcgrath: anything to note from you this week on FES?
19:56:44 <mmcgrath> nirik: nope, we did a lot of work to determine that there's only a couple of pacakges causing issues at the moment.
19:56:55 <mmcgrath> which is good I suppose, once they're fixed rawhide should be in good shape again..
19:57:06 <nirik> excellent.
19:57:10 <mmcgrath> We got a few more volunteers to join up and they all have work at the moment, I have a couple more to look through.
19:57:27 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
19:57:34 <nirik> Anything for open floor?
19:57:38 <Kevin_Kofler> FYI: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-engineering-services/ticket/15#comment:1
19:58:40 <nirik> yeah, xfconf also has a perl binding (although we might be able to split it out and not ship it by default in the spin)
19:59:10 <nirik> ok, if nothing else, will close the meeting here in a minute.
19:59:53 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone!
20:00:07 <dgilmore> thanks nirik
20:00:09 <pjones> tt
20:00:11 <nirik> #endmeeting