20:01:42 <kital> #startmeeting 20:01:42 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jan 27 20:01:42 2010 UTC. The chair is kital. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:01:42 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:01:48 <kital> roll call 20:01:53 <heffer> Felix Kaechele 20:01:54 <cmpahar> .cmpahar 20:02:05 <spevack> .fas mspevack 20:02:06 <zodbot> spevack: mspevack 'Max Spevack' <mspevack@redhat.com> 20:02:11 <cmpahar> .fas cmpahar 20:02:12 <zodbot> cmpahar: cmpahar 'Christos Bacharakis' <cmpahar@gmail.com> 20:02:12 <kital> JoergSimon 20:02:18 <liknus> .fas liknus 20:02:18 <zodbot> liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' <ppapadeas@gmail.com> 20:02:19 <rsc> .fas Robert Scheck 20:02:22 <zodbot> rsc: robert 'Robert Scheck' <redhat@linuxnetz.de> 20:02:26 <cwickert> .fas cwickert 20:02:26 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com> 20:02:44 <liknus> thanks kital for taking over for this meeting :) 20:02:47 <zoltanh7211> .fas zoltanh721 20:02:48 <zodbot> zoltanh7211: zoltanh721 'Hoppár Zoltán' <hopparz@gmail.com> 20:02:52 <GeroldKa> hi 20:02:54 <GeroldKa> am I late? 20:02:56 <kital> ok liknus asked me 5 minutes before to take over so please forgive if i am a bit unorganized 20:02:58 <spevack> just starting 20:03:02 <liknus> not at all GeroldKa :) 20:03:07 <adil452100_> hello everybody 20:03:15 <zoltanh7211> hi guys 20:03:15 <kital> GeroldKa: still rollcall 20:03:31 <spevack> kital: when rollcall is over, I have a few things to share if that's ok 20:03:37 <cwickert> adil452100: please say your name, this is the purpose of the rollcall 20:03:38 <GeroldKa> Gerold Kassube 20:03:48 <kital> sure spevack 20:03:55 <red_alert> Sandro Mathys 20:04:03 <liknus> kital give me chair with #chair for changinf topics etc 20:04:13 <kital> chair liknus 20:04:17 <kital> #chair liknus 20:04:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: kital liknus 20:04:23 <liknus> thanks 20:04:23 <kital> #chair spevack 20:04:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: kital liknus spevack 20:04:30 <adil452100_> Adil Lebbat 20:04:31 <liknus> #topic RollCall 20:05:09 <kital> ok i would say spevack take the floor for the announcements 20:05:15 <liknus> #meetingtopic EMEA Ambassadors Meeting 20:05:26 <spevack> ok. Hi everyone! 20:05:28 <spevack> A few things from me. 20:05:29 <liknus> #topic Announcements 20:05:57 <spevack> First of all -- I am sitting in a chair right now outside my boss's office, and I expect that at about :15 past the hour, he will need to talk to me for about 20 minutes, so I may disappear in a bit. 20:06:11 <spevack> I apologize for that. Something came up today and this is the only time. 20:06:22 <spevack> Next 20:06:40 <spevack> the Case Badges are somewhere in Red Hat's building here. I'm going to find them and bring them with me to FOSDEM. 20:06:50 <spevack> Third 20:06:57 <spevack> I want to talk for a moment about FOSDEM. 20:07:00 * spevack finds his blog post 20:07:37 <cwickert> #link http://spevack.livejournal.com/96254.html 20:08:09 <spevack> right 20:08:11 <spevack> that's it 20:08:15 <spevack> Next Friday 20:08:20 <spevack> I want to basically have a mini-FAD. 20:08:26 <spevack> because it's before FOSDEM starts 20:08:44 <spevack> And I'm remember the first time I came to FOSDEM, when we all spent an afternoon in a restauarant and talked about a lot of issues. 20:08:58 <spevack> With 20+ EMEA contributors all coming to Brussels, I hope to re-capture some of that feeling. 20:09:36 <spevack> I have my own ideas for what some discussion topics should be -- FUDCon EMEA 2010, Swag, etc. -- but I want to hear what you guys think, and if people will be available on Friday before the social event. 20:09:40 <GeroldKa> only with Steak Tatar 20:09:40 <spevack> 20:09:41 <spevack> Last thing 20:09:44 <kital> spevack: which restaurant 20:09:46 <kital> ? 20:09:58 <spevack> kital: Frederic and I are still finalizing it. We'll let everyone know :) 20:10:23 <kital> ok ;) 20:10:26 <spevack> this weekend we are having a Fedora Activity Day in Raleigh. I think folks in EMEA will be interested in some of the logs, and that we will talk about it when we discuss FUDCon EMEA next week 20:10:31 * spevack finds thta link 20:10:36 <liknus> #action liknus creates a wiki section on FAD FOSDEM agenda 20:10:37 <spevack> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010 20:10:58 <spevack> the last thing I want to say 20:12:29 <spevack> and this is something that GeroldKa pointed out to me, and that I have known in my heart for a few months as well -- since I am now back in the USA and not in EMEA anymore, I know that my attention for some of the EMEA-related issues has been less than it was in 2009. I want to make sure at FOSDEM that when we talk about the needs of the EMEA community, you are honest with me about the places where I'm too slow, and we either figure out a ... 20:12:36 <spevack> ... way for me to help someone else do the task, or yell at me a lot :) 20:12:38 <spevack> EOF 20:12:58 <kital> thanks spevack! 20:13:00 * spevack reminds folks that he will get pulled away from his keyboard at any time. 20:13:03 <spevack> So, carry on! 20:13:07 <kital> ;) 20:13:17 <kital> ok questions to spevack? 20:13:30 <liknus> Any news from FamSCO kital ? 20:13:45 <kital> #topic FAmSCo update 20:14:12 <spevack> famsco -- we had good meetings so far in 2010 20:14:14 <spevack> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_meetings 20:14:26 <spevack> this is what we are working on for next week's meeting. 20:14:27 <spevack> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda 20:14:31 <kital> as some of you may have read famsco works on the process to get in touch with the ambassadors 20:14:40 <spevack> kital can say the rest :) 20:14:44 <kital> thanks spevack 20:15:23 <kital> we work on the feedback we have got from all of you 20:15:39 <kital> so we will establish a monthly report along these template 20:15:45 <spevack> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_tasks 20:15:46 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/ReportTemplate 20:16:17 <kital> and also clarified the roles every famsco member takes in famsco https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_tasks 20:16:23 <kital> ah thanks spevack 20:16:32 <kital> you read my mind? 20:16:33 <kital> ;) 20:16:55 <kital> as you also know we have new election rules 20:16:57 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_election_rules 20:17:32 <kital> we will also have the first townhall in the next 14 days along with the monthly famsco report 20:17:35 <spevack> I think the question that I would like to ask is this: It's only the first month of 2010, but have we improved communication from FAMSCO to ambassadors-list, and are we doing the right things? 20:18:04 <spevack> kital: in fact, we cleaned up all FAMSCO wiki pages -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassadors_Steering_Committee 20:18:07 <cwickert> it think it's too early to answer that question 20:18:33 <kital> spevack: yes 20:18:53 * inode0 was very happy by the things this famsco did right off the bat 20:19:19 <kital> Another important task we started to focus in the last meeting is a event workflow 20:19:54 <kital> we will update you about this process as well as about mentoring improvements we plan 20:20:01 * spevack has to go into his meeting now 20:20:13 <kital> thanks spevack for your support! 20:20:26 <kital> have fun! 20:20:38 <kital> questions to famsco? 20:20:43 <cwickert> ! 20:20:51 <kital> cwickert: 20:20:58 <cwickert> one point where communication is really broken is FAMSCO's trac instance not being public for ambassadors 20:21:23 <cwickert> I mean, we get the FAMSCO meeting logs and the links to trac, but we cannot read the tickets 20:21:29 * inode0 agrees with that 20:21:36 <cwickert> this is a bad joke, not even FESCOs trac is hidden 20:21:46 <kital> the tickets are only open for the creator and famsco 20:21:47 <kital> right 20:22:00 <kital> thanks for bringing this up 20:22:25 <cwickert> but there are things that affect me, for example kital opens a ticket on a topic I brought up, nut I cannot se the progress 20:22:32 <cwickert> s/nut/but 20:23:13 <kital> good topic for next famsco meeting 20:23:18 <kital> we will discuss it 20:23:31 <cwickert> I agree there might bit tickets with personal information or other sensitive data that need to be protected, but the large majority of tickets should bue public. 20:23:32 <cwickert> eof 20:24:00 <kital> cwickert: fesco has not to deal with money and sentiments along with money 20:24:19 <kital> but we have definitely to discuss this 20:24:26 <cwickert> ok, thanks 20:24:28 <kital> i tend to open it 20:24:38 <kital> but want to have other pov first 20:24:50 <GeroldKa> ? 20:25:03 <kital> GeroldKa: 20:25:07 <GeroldKa> kital> cwickert: fesco has not to deal with money and sentiments along with money 20:25:22 <GeroldKa> afaik is "money" always a open point to everyone 20:25:29 <GeroldKa> isn't it? 20:25:29 <cwickert> +1 20:25:34 <GeroldKa> eof 20:25:34 <red_alert> +1 20:26:08 <kital> ok can we move on? 20:26:27 <zoltanh7211> continue kital 20:26:47 <kital> #topic Events 20:26:58 <kital> more to Fosdem? 20:27:33 <zoltanh7211> about swag 20:28:04 <kital> zoltanh7211: 20:28:15 <zoltanh7211> we will see lxde and xfce discs, and other stuff? Status? 20:28:54 <kital> https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/11 20:29:34 <kital> cwickert more updates to this which are not in the wiki? 20:30:00 <cwickert> everything is in the ticket or in spevack's head 20:30:08 <zoltanh7211> thx 20:30:09 <cwickert> I have no idea about the latest status 20:30:14 <kital> s/wiki/ticket 20:30:17 <kital> ;) 20:30:34 <cwickert> the problem seems to be the artwork and the number of disks 20:31:05 <kital> will you keep tracking it? 20:31:08 <kital> cwickert: ? 20:31:08 <cwickert> spevack said, that he cannot guarantee for the artwork because it needs to be done fast 20:31:22 * sspreitzer is late 20:31:25 <cwickert> I am not that optimistic to be honest 20:32:02 <cwickert> IMO it is more important to get proper labeled official media for the whole EMEA region than just a bunch for FOSDEM 20:32:06 <kital> #action cwickert ask spevack for clarification related to lxde/xfce media time, count ... 20:32:23 <sspreitzer> ! 20:32:27 <sspreitzer> may I add a note? 20:32:28 <cwickert> ok, for people interested, please read the details in the ticket 20:32:33 <kital> sspreitzer: hi, any news to media 20:32:38 <sspreitzer> yes 20:32:39 <kital> sure sspreitzer 20:33:05 <sspreitzer> I wanted to clearify the process and get in contact the media company to handle the things directly 20:33:06 <sspreitzer> but 20:33:14 <sspreitzer> i emaild max spevack 2 times 20:33:22 <sspreitzer> and did not get a reply 20:33:29 <sspreitzer> im stuck, sorry :( 20:33:56 <cwickert> sspreitzer: the latest plan from max was that he produces them in the US and brings them to FOSDEM. but this would only be a small number and most likely without proper labeling 20:34:07 <cwickert> and IMHO this is a half-backed thing 20:34:08 <kital> sspreitzer: what do you need from spevack to proceed? 20:34:40 <sspreitzer> kital, an introduction to the media company, and a briefing with RH (spevack or alssandra) about the process 20:34:57 <bochecha> how about every local groupproduces its own media ? 20:34:58 <sspreitzer> so I can in future order the stuff for fedorpoject without RH 20:35:14 <kital> bochecha: that is the plan 20:35:28 <cwickert> bochecha: what is "local"? every region? 20:35:37 <bochecha> cwickert, we produce our own media in France 20:35:53 <bochecha> this way, we can only blame ourselves if we're late or don't have the spins we wanted 20:35:58 <cwickert> and do they look the same or are they different 20:36:16 <bochecha> we take the design made by the art team 20:36:20 <kital> GeroldKa: could Fedora EMEA e.V. help to give us more independence in producing media 20:36:30 <kital> as we have with t-shirts and other stuff 20:36:38 <kital> how coud that be handled? 20:36:46 <GeroldKa> I think in generall yes 20:36:53 <cwickert> kital: I don't think it's a budget problem, I think it's an organization problem 20:36:56 <GeroldKa> it's part of our main targets 20:37:00 <bochecha> IMHO, that's the onl sane way to do, avoids shipping costs, avoid delays,... 20:37:00 <kital> cwickert: right 20:37:02 <sspreitzer> cwickert, +1 20:37:14 <zoltanh7211> I have also suggested to use an HU company here, so maybe we could gain more discs 20:37:23 <bochecha> and we don't spend lots of nights talking about how we can organize to do this 20:37:25 <bochecha> just do it :) 20:37:34 <sspreitzer> yes zoltanh7211, thats the next step 20:37:40 <sspreitzer> :) 20:37:40 <kital> so we need an entity which gives us the ability for independ ordering 20:37:59 <sspreitzer> kital, pardon? 20:38:00 <cwickert> bochecha: if you can do it, go ahead, I already did the artwork 20:38:13 <bochecha> cwickert, we already did it ;) 20:38:24 <sspreitzer> I have an idea 20:38:33 <bochecha> cwickert, we had our 1000 F12 gnome liveCDs by the beginning of december 20:38:41 <sspreitzer> we open a wiki page with producers and media tracking 20:38:53 <cwickert> bochecha: spins media? what artwork? 20:38:55 <sspreitzer> maybe we can organize it by the wiki page? 20:39:14 <bochecha> cwickert, artwork on the wiki 20:39:25 <kital> ok people can we please follow meeting guidelines 20:39:33 <heffer> ! 20:39:40 <kital> first sspreitzer 20:39:54 <lfoppiano> hi guys, sorry for the delay...I get home only now from the office :( 20:40:09 * pingou around 20:40:19 <sspreitzer> ok kiltal 20:40:32 <sspreitzer> the thing is, I am now confused 20:40:37 <kital> sspreitzer if we order as Fedora EMEA e.V. we do not need RH 20:40:51 <sspreitzer> thats ok 20:40:53 <sspreitzer> BUT 20:40:59 <kital> but we have to plan the budget for EMEA e.V. then 20:41:02 <sspreitzer> the thing im askling for 3 months now is 20:41:17 <sspreitzer> WHICH media company is our producer? 20:41:26 <GeroldKa> ! 20:41:36 <sspreitzer> does it change every production order? 20:41:41 <sspreitzer> GeroldKa, ? 20:41:48 <GeroldKa> the company is in the same building as RH Munich office in Dornach 20:41:58 <sspreitzer> GeroldKa, the office was 20:41:59 <kital> GeroldKa: go ahead 20:42:09 <sspreitzer> GeroldKa, but i know the building 20:42:19 <sspreitzer> GeroldKa, the munich RH office is in Grasbrunn now 20:42:20 <GeroldKa> then we need zo ask Alessandra 20:42:37 <GeroldKa> afaik she knows the name 20:42:42 <sspreitzer> thats all ok 20:42:52 <sspreitzer> so noone can ask my answer 20:42:58 <kital> sspreitzer: if we take over the responsibility to take over this task we can choose on our own 20:43:26 <kital> sspreitzer: there is no official producer - 20:43:28 <sspreitzer> kital, that was the decision 20:43:38 <sspreitzer> kital, which has been made in decembre 20:44:14 <sspreitzer> kital, it was committed we are going to order by the company in munich and max would introduce me 20:44:21 <sspreitzer> do i can instantly order with them 20:44:33 <sspreitzer> and general case it in the fedora project 20:44:43 <sspreitzer> now we are talking this over again and again 20:44:48 <kital> if max is the blocker right now and it is necessary to introduce you not 20:45:50 <kital> ok lets clarify after the meeting so we can continue 20:45:50 <sspreitzer> ok? 20:45:53 <sspreitzer> whats the meeting for then? 20:46:04 <sspreitzer> dont get me wrong. sry. 20:46:09 <sspreitzer> go ahead, thank you. 20:46:43 <kital> sspreitzer: we have other tasks we want to follow - we can discuss as soon as we have an open floor 20:46:57 <kital> right now there is no solution because spevack is not around 20:47:06 <kital> i can not give you the money 20:47:34 <kital> so what we can do is lament that someone does not answer email 20:48:06 <kital> the only solution on long term establish a process to produce it on our own 20:48:12 <kital> ok for you? 20:48:42 <kital> ok we are still in events 20:48:46 <sspreitzer> perfect if it is ok for the people 20:49:03 <kital> zoltanh7211: any more to add from 'Fedora Cafe' - Fedora Activity Day Hungary 20:49:11 <kital> awesome report 20:49:12 <kital> ! 20:49:23 <zoltanh7211> thx kital 20:49:26 <lfoppiano> ! 20:49:40 <kital> lfoppiano: 20:49:56 <lfoppiano> anybody has comment / observation about our event in Cerea? 20:50:07 <lfoppiano> we did it on 16/17 Jan 20:50:20 <kital> yes super pics 20:50:24 <kital> http://blog.foppiano.org/2010/01/20/cerea-fair-report-jan-2010/ 20:50:36 <lfoppiano> we had a boot in a fair in Cerea that counded around 25000 participants in the two days 20:50:53 <zoltanh7211> kital - nothing more - guys are looking for me, and asking to meet as we could, so something is moving 20:50:53 <sspreitzer> wow, impressive 20:51:26 <lfoppiano> EOF 20:51:41 <zoltanh7211> lfoppiano: truly congrats guys - I hope I could arrange similar here too 20:51:59 <kital> next event Linux-Informationstag 20:52:03 <kital> cwickert: ? 20:52:33 <kital> do you need something (besides this media-desaster)? 20:54:12 <kital> nest event Cebit 20:54:18 <kital> s/nest/next 20:54:28 <kital> no Event Owner 20:54:43 <kital> anyone interested in this? 20:55:04 <heffer> maybe sdziallas can do this? 20:55:09 <sspreitzer> thats the biggest Consumer Technology fair in germany 20:55:12 <heffer> he's local to Hannover 20:55:23 <kital> sdziallas: are you around? 20:55:29 * sdziallas hullos 20:55:42 <heffer> unfortunately I will not be around for CeBIT and CLT :( 20:56:00 <sdziallas> from what I know we'd be too late for this (and I might get into trouble with CeBIT since I should be writing exams at some point). 20:56:19 <sdziallas> LinuxMagazin has already awarded free booths, so we're out there. 20:56:46 <heffer> Owning an Event is not that hard though. If you like help you a bit. 20:56:52 <cwickert> ! 20:56:58 <kital> cwickert: 20:57:03 <cwickert> sorry, I was afk 20:57:23 <cwickert> there is not much we need for the event, I will open a ticket in the swag trac 20:57:32 <kital> ok thanks cwickert 20:57:37 <cwickert> but most is already taken care of, don't worry 20:57:47 <cwickert> EOF 20:57:49 <kital> perfect 20:58:13 <kital> sdziallas: if you attend CEBIT just make a bit marketing ;) 20:58:49 <kital> ok 3 minutes left 20:58:57 <kital> #topic open floor 20:59:09 <sdziallas> kital: last time, I was at the Gnome booth, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to do it this year, too (Abitur's approaching, heh). 20:59:29 <kital> sdziallas: if you do make noise about it ;) 21:00:03 <sdziallas> kital: sure thing! ;) 21:00:27 <sspreitzer> ! 21:00:30 <kital> sspreitzer: 21:00:50 <sspreitzer> I wrote an official inquiry to german public broadcasting 21:01:11 <sspreitzer> no answer yet 21:01:23 <sspreitzer> I dont think they take it serious 21:01:28 <kital> what entity is this ? TV 21:01:36 <sspreitzer> radio and tv 21:01:46 <kital> "Öffentlich-Rechtlich" - public sector tv 21:01:49 <kital> ? 21:01:51 <sspreitzer> yes 21:02:15 <sspreitzer> i commercialed arround with foreign office linux approach 21:02:23 <sspreitzer> and city of munich linux 21:02:26 <sspreitzer> and so on 21:02:39 <kital> cool sspreitzer -> zoltanh7211: any news to the commercial that you created? 21:02:51 <lfoppiano> ! 21:02:59 <kital> could you solve the issues zoltanh7211 ? 21:03:01 <kital> lfoppiano: 21:03:06 <zoltanh7211> I'm on it, and the release video is on the way too 21:03:12 <sspreitzer> :D 21:03:20 <kital> zoltanh7211: can not wait to see it 21:03:28 <zoltanh7211> I have gained access to the nasa's video repository 21:03:31 <lfoppiano> I printed a big banner with "fedora" written on it, I'll bring to FOSDEM to try it... 21:03:42 <lfoppiano> I sent a photo I thin in ambassador list 21:03:43 <sspreitzer> lfoppiano, good 21:03:47 <kital> it is open floor - no need for following meeting guidelines 21:03:55 <zoltanh7211> So, we got free movieclips at our disposal 21:04:10 <lfoppiano> ok 21:04:19 <kital> zoltanh7211: what will be the licence ? cc-by-sa 21:04:20 <kital> ? 21:04:25 <sspreitzer> So I will call the official press of the public broadcasting and beg for more attention 21:04:28 <lfoppiano> http://lfoppiano.fedorapeople.org/IMAG0173.jpg 21:04:30 <kital> lfoppiano: i saw it - very huge 21:04:43 <sspreitzer> hopefully we can get some attention 21:04:44 <lfoppiano> it's 180 x something (I don't remember) 21:04:58 <zoltanh7211> We could add our licence - the nasa clips aren't marked 21:05:00 <lfoppiano> but I think at fosdem it might make the difference ;-) 21:05:12 <lfoppiano> if people likes we can consider the idea to print a series of it 21:05:21 <lfoppiano> it will be cheep 21:05:21 <zoltanh7211> Free to use 21:05:49 <sspreitzer> Can you make one for my car? I drive much 21:05:50 <sspreitzer> :D 21:05:58 <kital> zoltanh7211: we have to be sure that we can use it along out fedora content licences 21:06:23 <kital> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Content_Licenses 21:06:43 <kital> s/out/our 21:06:44 <zoltanh7211> I have the contact, and the mail from the nasa - so we could use it 21:06:46 <sspreitzer> next thing is an idea I have 21:07:03 <sspreitzer> what do you guys think of to get additional funders for us 21:07:13 <sspreitzer> to be a bit more independant to RH 21:07:18 <zoltanh7211> but if we have any question, then I could add several mail addresses 21:07:21 <heffer> sspreitzer, that is never a bad idea 21:07:35 <lfoppiano> guys I missed the part about fosdem 21:07:39 <kital> GeroldKa is the right place for them! 21:07:46 <lfoppiano> when is going to start the ambassador meeting? 21:08:11 <heffer> lfoppiano, it is ongoing 21:08:12 <kital> lfoppiano: meeting minutes will be created 21:08:20 <kital> no place yet 21:08:23 <lfoppiano> ok 21:08:31 <sspreitzer> GeroldKa, can we have a chat after the meeting? 21:09:28 <kital> ok we are over the time 21:09:44 <heffer> lfoppiano, log is here: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-27/fedora-meeting.2010-01-27-20.01.log.txt 21:10:00 <kital> #endmeeting