20:05:05 <mchua> #startmeeting
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20:05:14 <mchua> Hey everyone! (Welcome, AamirBhutto!)
20:05:22 <mchua> Apparently my clocks are all a few minutes late. :)
20:05:25 <mchua> #topic roll call
20:05:34 <mchua> Who's here, while we wait for others to trickle in?
20:05:41 <asamaras> hi all
20:05:47 <AamirBhutto> Hi mchua
20:05:50 <mchua> Hey, asamaras - good to see you again.
20:06:06 <mchua> Welcome, AamirBhutto!
20:06:08 * rbergeron is here
20:06:12 <mchua> Aw, wonderer isn't around.
20:06:13 <AamirBhutto> Thanks
20:06:16 <mchua> PhrkOnLsh, did you make it back in time?
20:06:40 <rbergeron> i think he's en route now
20:06:53 <mchua> Ok. This should be a pretty quick meeting.
20:06:57 <mchua> Agenda items:
20:07:09 <mchua> * Infrastructure projects update - Insight, Limesurvey, fedora-tour
20:07:21 <mchua> * Marketing research
20:07:30 <mchua> * FAD update
20:07:45 <mchua> ...I believe that's it unless someone has something they want to bring up.
20:07:59 <mchua> And then we can pop to our normal channel and figure out how to get AamirBhutto started. ;)
20:08:17 * rbergeron nods
20:08:27 * AamirBhutto is watching & listening.
20:08:34 <mchua> AamirBhutto: if you have questions, pop in with them anytime, it's not an interruption at all.
20:08:38 <mchua> #topic Infrastructure projects update
20:08:50 <mchua> #info Insight sandbox testing in a few hours, we *might* go to staging tonight.
20:08:57 <mchua> If the sandbox goes well, that is.
20:09:01 <rbergeron> WOO HOO
20:09:12 <mchua> you'll see me hollering in #fedora-mktg and various channels (mostly #fedora-admin) about it tonight.
20:09:30 <mchua> #info Limesurvey seems to not have moved forward since last week, need to nudge.
20:09:39 <rbergeron> yes, i'm not sure who to nudge there
20:09:42 <AamirBhutto> sure thanks mchua
20:09:44 <mchua> Sparks mostly, I think.
20:09:52 * rbergeron did add the ticket info to the market research page, just as an fyi
20:09:53 <mchua> We'll do fedora-tour when Ryan gets back.
20:09:56 <mchua> #topic Marketing research
20:09:59 <mchua> rbergeron: take it away.
20:10:08 <rbergeron> okay!
20:10:14 <rbergeron> so we have the results in from the FUDCON Survey.
20:10:36 <rbergeron> Mostly positive stuff, of course there are some nitpicky little things, and LOTS of feedback.
20:10:53 <rbergeron> So I've been putting it into what is becoming the Mother of All OO Presentations,
20:11:17 <rbergeron> and I'm probably ... 85% done.  Most of the work was sorting out all the comments for reading and so forth.
20:11:32 <mchua> rbergeron: Anything we can learn from in terms of setting up similar surveys?
20:11:47 <rbergeron> So HOPEFULLY, with a little bit of luck and a new Wii game for the kids this afternoon, I can get the slides out and posted tonight. :)
20:12:03 <sparks> AamirBhutto: Yeah, it's all me on the Limesurvey thing.
20:12:05 <mchua> rbergeron: I'm wondering what policy we want to set in terms of who can see what data, too - though that's a topic for broader discussion on-list.
20:12:06 <rbergeron> mchua: I think we would probably benefit in the future from having a little bit more time to look at details of the survey.
20:12:10 * mchua nods.
20:12:33 <asamaras> +1
20:12:36 <rbergeron> things liek, noting which questions can and can't have multiple answers, or which questions can have "no answer" and still allow the user to move forwards.
20:12:54 <rbergeron> about half the respondents were people who DID NOT attend fudcon;
20:13:05 <rbergeron> i think about 61 or 63 (can't remember offhand) were either attendees,
20:13:17 <rbergeron> or had planned on attending but couldn't get there because of travel issues or illness.
20:13:31 <mchua> Wow. That's a great split.
20:13:47 <rbergeron> so I had hoped for some better response numbers, maybe this is something we can advertise more in advance perhaps during the conference.
20:13:47 <asamaras> total number of participants?
20:14:10 <rbergeron> yarrrr. /me looks for that window
20:14:22 <rbergeron> I want to say 130, with 119 of those people actually completing the survey.
20:14:38 <asamaras> not bad sample
20:14:42 <AamirBhutto> sparks!
20:14:46 <mchua> Well, given that we had ~200 attendees at FUDCon (plus or minus 0 at any given time) that's not bad.
20:14:58 * rbergeron nods.
20:15:00 <mchua> sparks: anything we can do to help, other than find you a reviewer for https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=549604 ?
20:15:01 <buggbot> Bug 549604: medium, medium, ---, nobody, NEW, Review Request: domxml-php4-php5 - XML transition from PHP4 domxml to PHP5 dom module
20:15:15 <rbergeron> approximately 1/3 of attendees participated in the survey.
20:15:19 <rbergeron> i guess we could say. :)
20:15:33 <mchua> rbergeron: yeah, i think advertising the survey during fudcon next time will help.
20:15:37 <rbergeron> and feedback has predominantly been:
20:15:38 <rbergeron> "awesome"
20:15:43 <sparks> mchua: Give me a minute and I'll have a wiki page for you to look at.
20:15:45 <rbergeron> "wtb better wireless at hotel and venue"
20:15:46 <mchua> #info next time, advertise fudcon survey at fudcon (have it up before fudcon)
20:15:48 <rbergeron> and
20:16:04 <rbergeron> "can we plz have streaming video for fudcon live and people posting slides somewhere central"
20:16:26 <asamaras> well I secnod that :)
20:16:26 <rbergeron> but there is a ton of comments in the comment fields,
20:16:30 <rbergeron> most of which is very good.
20:17:02 <rbergeron> with more than half of the respondents giving feedback on what can be imrproved, what did they like best fill-in-your-own answer fields.
20:17:10 <mchua> Ok. We're having the Events FAD in a bit over 2 weeks, so I'm hoping we can sprint through a lot of the to-do list that comes from these results that weekend.
20:17:15 <rbergeron> and by very good I mean.... useful, not just, "great job."
20:17:26 <mchua> Awesome.
20:17:36 <rbergeron> yes, I'm hoping to have it to you guys wayyyy before then.
20:17:43 <mchua> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010 - will tackle feedback from FUDCon survey
20:17:49 <mchua> rbergeron, thou rockest
20:17:50 <rbergeron> And I've got a basic screen to pdf print of the results as well.
20:18:00 <PhrkOnLsh> re
20:18:03 <rbergeron> for those who want to look at something less pretty than what i make :)
20:18:07 * PhrkOnLsh scrolls back
20:18:21 <mchua> PhrkOnLsh: wait 'till rbergeron is done with survey stuff, then you have the floor for tour
20:18:48 <rbergeron> i think that about sums it up. i think this was a good test run in terms of "what we should think about for our next survey in terms of setting it up"
20:19:21 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron to document "what could we do better on the next survey"
20:19:51 <mchua> And hopefully for the next round we'll have our own version of limesurvey up to take it.
20:19:52 <rbergeron> and that's all, unless anyone has querstions.
20:20:00 <mchua> rbergeron: what's the next survey? ;)
20:20:03 <rbergeron> mchua: definitely, i hope.
20:20:52 <rbergeron> mchua: well, I think that is something we can tackle defining in the next week's meeting, but basically, getting a grip on who our fedora community consists of, demographically, and what they are doing, and what their satisfaction levels are in a number of areas.
20:21:09 <mchua> hot diggety.
20:21:11 <rbergeron> and hopefully we can pull in from some of the project teams to get a few qustions that they would like answered.
20:21:20 <mchua> that'll certainly help with what poelcat is trying to do with goals.
20:21:23 <rbergeron> but like i said: next week. one at a time :)
20:21:30 <rbergeron> mchua: indeed, i hope so
20:21:43 <mchua> okeydokey.
20:21:47 <rbergeron> and it will also help us out come marketing FAD
20:21:59 <rbergeron> not just on strategy day either :)
20:22:15 * mchua has no more questions, this is *awesome.* Mad props to rbergeron for all her hard work and leadership here.
20:22:20 <PhrkOnLsh> +1 mchua
20:22:37 <asamaras> +1
20:22:47 <AamirBhutto> +1
20:22:49 <mchua> PhrkOnLsh: you want to take a minute and update us on fedora-tour?
20:22:50 <rbergeron> thank you, thank you. flowers can be sent to my room in LAS VEGAS THIS WEEKEND WOO HOO
20:22:54 * rbergeron grins
20:22:58 <mchua> *FLOWERS*
20:23:07 <PhrkOnLsh> well, is subfusc here?
20:23:17 <PhrkOnLsh> no
20:23:22 <rbergeron> he is on fedora-mktg :)
20:23:24 <PhrkOnLsh> well, he's a memeber of the devel team now
20:23:25 * AamirBhutto just wanted to know if +1 is complement or just numbers ;)
20:23:50 <mchua> AamirBhutto: +1 means "I agree"
20:23:52 <PhrkOnLsh> so, yeah, Subfusc is one of the fedora-tour developers now
20:23:59 <mchua> #topic fedora-tour
20:24:02 <PhrkOnLsh> AamirBhutto: it's an agree-- yes
20:24:09 <AamirBhutto> Thanks.
20:24:20 <AamirBhutto> In here we use to rate is as Grade ! :P
20:24:39 <PhrkOnLsh> Subfusc has been doing some work on how the interals of fedora-tour should work with a UML diagram of it, and just generally keeping our code from being crappy :)
20:24:48 <PhrkOnLsh> Subfusc: can you #link a link to that UML?
20:24:59 <Subfusc> PhrkOnLsh: sure
20:25:00 <PhrkOnLsh> I (as usual) don't have it offhand, and can't find you revision in gitweb
20:25:48 <PhrkOnLsh> so, yeah, Subfusc gets awesomepoints for joining us :)
20:26:16 <mchua> PhrkOnLsh: what's the next milestone you're shooting for?
20:26:20 <PhrkOnLsh> I've been out of development for the last week or two because of too much real-life stress, but I'm getting back into things. Not sure what franciscod has been up to
20:26:22 <Subfusc> http://tinyurl.com/ycver7a <-- UML
20:26:30 <PhrkOnLsh> #link http://tinyurl.com/ycver7a
20:27:16 <PhrkOnLsh> mchua: Subfusc and I probably need to discuss on that for a little bit. He seems to be a lot better at the whole planning thing than I am. I saw two reisions were pushed of his, but I havne't had the chance to look at them yet
20:27:28 <Subfusc> is franciscod around?
20:27:46 <mchua> Not on IRC atm, nope.
20:27:49 <Subfusc> I see he has updated on his splash, but i havent heard from him about the UML
20:27:51 <PhrkOnLsh> No, probably asleep, it's 1:45am there
20:28:12 <mchua> Subfusc, PhrkOnLsh, think you folks can send an update email to the list (or to planet, and email the link to list) sometime before our next meeting?
20:28:19 <PhrkOnLsh> yes, of course
20:28:22 <mchua> I think it was something people were excited about and they may be wondering what's up
20:28:26 <mchua> ok, thanks!
20:28:28 <mchua> I'll note that down
20:28:38 <PhrkOnLsh> #action Subfusc PhrkOnLsh send update to list/planet on fedora-tour
20:28:44 <mchua> there ya go :)
20:28:50 <PhrkOnLsh> :)
20:28:52 <mchua> Ok, last topic today
20:29:18 <mchua> (today is a sort of standard status-update meeting, we'll get to interesting sprint-stuff again in the next couple meetings ;)
20:29:22 <mchua> #topic FAD
20:29:34 <mchua> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010
20:29:34 <mchua> #info travel is rapidly getting booked, another week or two and we should have everyone.
20:29:37 <mchua> #info RH Marketing/Brand/PR folks have been invited and at least a couple are coming - they're generally excited and impressed (and intrigued) by what we're doing; we've managed to gear up a *lot* of momentum in a very short amount of time.
20:29:41 <mchua> #info current to-do is setting up the agenda and gearing up for it (using the FAD as a turbo-acceleration patch, for those of you who play video games), so that will be happening on-list.
20:29:45 <mchua> That's about it, if you'd like to participate either in-person or remotely, respond to the list pings for participation. ;)
20:29:50 <mchua> And that's all I have unless folks have questions or other topics.
20:30:13 * rbergeron has nada
20:30:13 <mchua> asamaras, do you want to say a word about user stories?
20:30:29 <PhrkOnLsh> mchua: heard from mommaPhrkOnLsh?
20:31:00 <asamaras> the user stories for the time are limited to those I wrote (in terms of content)
20:31:27 <asamaras> I still work on attracting more persons to write some of teir own
20:31:36 <mchua> PhrkOnLsh: not since my email to her last night
20:31:40 <asamaras> but the general page is fine
20:31:53 <mchua> asamaras: Ok - if you want us to take next week's meeting or the one after as a sprint to help you with writing those, let us know.
20:32:03 <PhrkOnLsh> k
20:32:03 <EvilBob> asamaras: send an email to bjensen@fedoraproject.org with the details I can help spread the word
20:32:07 <mchua> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_stories
20:32:09 <mchua> for reference
20:32:11 <asamaras> The More The Merrier
20:33:01 <asamaras> I think I will put up a couple more and try to intrigue developers to write their own
20:33:04 <sparks> mchua: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Things_to_do_to_finish_Limesurvey
20:33:29 <mchua> sparks: rockin'.
20:33:49 <mchua> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Things_to_do_to_finish_Limesurvey
20:34:13 <mchua> #action mchua look at Limesurvey-finishin' link and try to nudge help
20:34:34 <mchua> asamaras: sounds good - we can talk about scheduling a sprint session sometime this week after you put up a few more examples.
20:34:46 <asamaras> yep
20:35:10 <asamaras> I still work on diffrent writing patterns so that
20:35:15 <mchua> #action asamaras and mchua schedule sprint session for user stories
20:35:27 <asamaras> the new stories can have a lasic layout
20:35:35 <asamaras> *basic*
20:35:49 * mchua nods
20:36:18 <mchua> asamaras: sounds good - thanks for taking the lead on this. I think they'll be particularly awesome for Fedora Insight materials.
20:36:25 <mchua> Okeydokey. Anything else?
20:36:45 <mchua> I'd like to wrap early and head back to #fedora-mktg so everyone can get back to work, and we can get AamirBhutto started on something. ;)
20:37:00 <asamaras> ok
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20:37:20 <PhrkOnLsh> yay
20:37:21 <mchua> #endmeeting