18:06:31 <fugolini> #startmeeting
18:06:31 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 12 18:06:31 2009 UTC.  The chair is fugolini. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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18:06:39 <fugolini> #topic Roll call:
18:06:43 <fugolini> Francesco Ugolini
18:06:48 <susmit> Susmit Shannigrahi
18:07:32 <susmit> fugolini, wasn't talking about justification. Just worried about what happened to them. :)
18:07:43 <susmit> as a friend I mean ;)
18:08:22 <fugolini> sure, I've understood ;)
18:08:25 <fugolini> RodrigoPadula:
18:08:30 <fugolini> roll call time
18:09:01 <fugolini> #topic Agenda
18:09:11 <fugolini> 1) Summary on Elections and FAmSCo 09 Report status
18:09:11 <fugolini> 2) Regions: what this FAmSCo could do in its last weeks? Is there
18:09:11 <fugolini> something to report?
18:09:11 <fugolini> 3) Membership and Mentoring: something to suggest before the electoral period?
18:09:11 <fugolini> 4) t.b.d.
18:09:28 <fugolini> anything to suggest? (remove, add, change topics)
18:09:46 <susmit> nope...
18:10:21 <fugolini> just move with the first one
18:10:28 <fugolini> #topic Summary on Elections and FAmSCo 09 Report status
18:10:53 <susmit> Mine is not yet done. But will definitely submit.
18:11:26 <fugolini> good to know. You've got my support. (Joerg nomination too)
18:11:40 <Southern_Gentlem> ?
18:11:49 <fugolini> FAmSCo election
18:12:07 <susmit> fugolini, no, I was talking about the report
18:12:09 <fugolini> as ambassado you are invited to join the election
18:12:18 <fugolini> lool
18:12:19 <Southern_Gentlem> ?
18:12:29 <fugolini> Southern_Gentlem:
18:13:19 <Southern_Gentlem> is there anyplace that has the total FAmSCO meeting for the year and the attendance of the members
18:13:33 <fugolini> we are working on a report
18:13:36 <susmit> Southern_Gentlem, the famsco has decided to create a report of their activities for the last year. I have not finished my part yet, that was what I was saying.
18:13:48 <fugolini> particulary I'm working on that stuff (FAmSCo activity)
18:13:51 <Southern_Gentlem> susmit,  have np there
18:14:15 <Southern_Gentlem> susmit i am very happy with famsco
18:14:29 <fugolini> Southern_Gentlem: when it will be finalized we will send it to all Ambassadors
18:14:36 <Southern_Gentlem> but if there is someone not really attending then they need to be replaced
18:15:32 <fugolini> BTW, inode0 wrote in the list about the schedule. Along with this, Thorsten wrote about the questions to be asked to Candidates. Just read the last posts in Ambassadors List
18:15:55 <susmit> Southern_Gentlem, yes, propose in that effect to the famsco list,  we shall take it up, or the next famsco will.
18:16:38 <fugolini> I've been in contact with inode0 and, currently, we are working on FAmSCo Election Town Hall
18:16:45 <susmit> fugolini, I have added three questions myself. :)
18:17:02 <Southern_Gentlem> susmit you are already working on the report which that information should come out
18:17:26 <RodrigoPadula> !
18:17:34 <fugolini> I suggested to organize, along with the big Town Hall, some small ones during regional meetings. So APAC, EMEA, LATAM and NA are invited, if they want, to discuss about the candidates.
18:17:35 <susmit> Southern_Gentlem, no, attendance part is being worked on by fugolini, I am working on the APAC part.
18:18:08 <fugolini> Southern_Gentlem: each member of FAmSCo has it's own piece of work in the report. This year we took this decision!
18:18:10 <fugolini> RodrigoPadula:
18:18:15 <RodrigoPadula> We had a lot of cancelled meetings
18:18:34 <RodrigoPadula> many times the decisions and plans was done useing the mail list
18:18:51 <susmit> RodrigoPadula, particularly towards the last months, yes.
18:19:04 <RodrigoPadula> so, I don't know if the meetings will be a good parameter
18:19:15 <RodrigoPadula> eof
18:19:18 * inode0 suggests that is less transparent to the rest of the community
18:19:30 <susmit> inode0, +1
18:19:42 <tatica> !
18:19:45 <fugolini> The good parameter is the activity in FAmSCo. Nothing more.
18:19:52 <RodrigoPadula> +1
18:19:57 <tatica> you could also run a forum
18:20:22 <fugolini> tatica: feel free to suggest it as a talking point for Town Halls too
18:20:34 <inode0> Can you not have most of your discussions on a public mailing list where the community can follow along?
18:20:39 <tatica> fugolini, ok, thx
18:20:46 <susmit> tatica, a forum for 6 people? kind of overkill, isn't it? There is the wiki.
18:20:58 <tatica> maybe, but maybe not
18:21:09 <tatica> could work like a publick task/goals/projects manager
18:21:15 <RodrigoPadula> forum dont work for thiese issues
18:21:27 <fugolini> BTW, FAmSCo is different from Regions. FAmSCo activity is the activity that involved directly FAmSCo (Budget, Membership, Mentoring, Global Events and Coordination of regionala ctivities)
18:21:49 <susmit> tatica, well, the problem wan't the tools. The problem was members getitng busy with other activities. :)
18:22:09 <RodrigoPadula> mail list is more produtive
18:22:24 <inode0> fugolini: and that makes IRC meetings often less effective than mailing lists - I would just like the mailing list to be open when possible
18:22:30 <fugolini> Can we come back to the main topic. Or just ask to add a one more topic
18:22:44 <susmit> fugolini, sure. sorry.
18:22:59 <fugolini> inode0: famsco list due to privacy/other issues can't be open.
18:23:17 <inode0> fugolini: but most of what ends up there can be surely
18:23:40 <susmit> inode0, believe me, not much end up there.
18:23:47 <fugolini> sure, the problem having two lists will be complicate
18:23:53 <fugolini> susmit: yeah :)
18:24:00 <inode0> then where are these mailing list discussions happening? :)
18:24:23 <fugolini> what?
18:24:38 <RodrigoPadula> Fedora Board are responsible by the big decisions
18:24:56 <susmit> inode0, which discussions? I don't think I get you.
18:25:34 <fugolini> Can we get back with the topic and move this discussion later? I'm confused, seriously.
18:25:40 <susmit> so I am.
18:26:06 <susmit> EOF for me.
18:26:17 <fugolini> Just bring back what I said before, just because I'm sure we all lost them.
18:26:27 <fugolini> (20:15:38) fugolini: I've been in contact with inode0 and, currently, we are working on FAmSCo Election Town Hall
18:26:32 <fugolini> (20:16:33) fugolini: I suggested to organize, along with the big Town Hall, some small ones during regional meetings. So APAC, EMEA, LATAM and NA are invited, if they want, to discuss about the candidates.
18:27:12 <fugolini> #action Add in the Regional Meeting agendas a space to discuss about canidate.
18:27:25 <susmit> fugolini, I shall update the APAC.
18:27:31 <fugolini> #action Keep track of the Town Hall discussion.
18:27:40 <fugolini> susmit: thanks
18:27:45 <susmit> #action susmit updates APAC about meeting.
18:28:03 <fugolini> I invite all regions. I hope someone will read the logs. They are a usefull tool, if read.
18:28:28 <inode0> ?
18:28:36 <fugolini> inode0
18:28:58 <susmit> fugolini, I am thinking of a patch to meetbot for sending the logs to mailing lists as well. ;)
18:29:01 <inode0> I would like to see if the candidates can actually attend all these meetings before we schedule them
18:29:15 <inode0> Having only one or two might not work well
18:29:57 <fugolini> inode0: regional meetings aren't Town Hall. Just having 10 minutes to say who are the candidates, what are the priorities and something like this
18:30:28 <inode0> ok
18:30:28 <fugolini> inode0: I hope I have clearified the point in my last mail.
18:30:49 <fugolini> Just one Town Hall. Sure, it would be something as complicate as nosense
18:31:03 <fugolini> inode0: anything to report from the elections side?
18:31:09 <fugolini> *anything new
18:31:09 <inode0> ok, that is good (two town halls are good too)
18:31:38 <inode0> I'd just like to encourage everyone to promote more activity this year
18:31:58 <inode0> See if we can generate some great questions and get 50+ to attend the town hall meetings
18:32:20 <fugolini> it would be great
18:32:30 <inode0> so encourage ambassadors everywhere to spread the word
18:32:36 <inode0> EOF
18:32:41 <fugolini> During the last meeting I invited all local leaders to promote these elections
18:33:02 <fugolini> BTW
18:33:47 <fugolini> #action Invite Local Contacts (APAC, EMEA, NA, LATAM) promoting these elections.
18:34:07 <fugolini> From an election POV that's all, at least from my side.
18:34:12 <fugolini> Something you want to add?
18:34:20 <susmit> nope
18:34:23 <fugolini> Now, we have the second part of this topic
18:34:26 <fugolini> FAmSCo Report
18:34:35 <fugolini> What's the status?
18:34:41 <susmit> I updated about this earlier.
18:35:00 <susmit> eof.
18:35:21 <fugolini> Sincerely I haven't take care of it yet (i'm working on elections and release events), but sure I'll start writing soon
18:35:29 <RodrigoPadula> I will send the Latam report next week
18:35:33 <fugolini> great
18:35:56 <fugolini> Just let me bring the to-do list
18:36:36 <fugolini> we have three missing areas, that were not fullfilled with a name.
18:36:37 <fugolini> :
18:36:38 <fugolini> - Events: who want to cover it?
18:36:38 <fugolini> - Budget: Max?
18:36:47 <fugolini> - EMEA: Thomas?
18:36:57 <fugolini> ops, sorry 4.
18:36:58 <fugolini> - NA: David ?
18:37:29 <fugolini> I think it would be important to know if they would do something
18:38:40 <fugolini> since these 3 main areas are really important. Especially Events/Budget, that is something more technical and will require a lot of work to process data (many contents are wiki based, and last year it took me 2 days to make sums and so on)
18:39:06 <fugolini> I haven't .ods or any other useful data sheet to use to make this job easy
18:39:26 <fugolini> but if nobody will take care of it, I'll need the christmas holiday to work on them
18:39:35 <fugolini> eof
18:39:39 <fugolini> Anything to say?
18:39:47 <susmit> fugolini, if nobody steps up, I shall help you a bit. :)
18:39:57 <fugolini> thank you
18:40:03 <RodrigoPadula> !
18:40:17 <fugolini> RodrigoPadula:
18:40:33 <RodrigoPadula> about events, I think we have to use a system to manage it
18:40:46 <RodrigoPadula> is very complitated to keet the wiki updated
18:40:56 <RodrigoPadula> and to get informations from there
18:41:08 <fugolini> that's what I suggested in during meetings and in mailing list since february
18:41:15 <fugolini> RodrigoPadula: absolutely
18:41:16 <RodrigoPadula> yes
18:41:35 <fugolini> that's why I asked, naturally the answer was clear: who work on that platform?
18:41:39 <fugolini> we have TRAC
18:41:50 <susmit> RodrigoPadula, this is the 11th time (just joking) I am saying this. Test the calendering system, test the calendering system.
18:41:55 <fugolini> but we have started using it only since june
18:42:05 <susmit> http://publictest16.fedoraproject.org/webaccess/
18:42:35 <susmit> that will make the scheduling very easy,
18:42:57 <RodrigoPadula> +1
18:43:06 <fugolini> #action Work on a calendaring system for Events, in order to have a usefull way to work with data.
18:43:39 <RodrigoPadula> Zimbra can be a good thing to use in Fedora Project, I guess
18:43:45 <susmit> fugolini, this has been set up and lying idle for over a month because nobody tested it.
18:44:03 <RodrigoPadula> how can I access it ?
18:44:14 <fugolini> just keep it as a note, someone may find it interesting
18:45:10 <fugolini> anything to add on this topic?
18:46:03 <fugolini> I suggested since time has gone faster than I expected, to talk about one topic. Which do you prefer from the agenda or from the other ones that came from the discussion?
18:46:05 <susmit> RodrigoPadula, zimbra has some licencing problem I guess, I don't remember very well
18:46:05 <susmit> have a look at .ticket1197
18:46:05 <susmit> .ticket 1197
18:46:06 <susmit> whatever
18:46:10 <zodbot> susmit: #1197 (Lets find a calendar server.) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1197
18:46:12 <susmit> RodrigoPadula, it is infra ticket 1197.
18:46:16 <susmit> eof
18:46:46 <fugolini> So?
18:47:02 <fugolini> #topic General discussion
18:47:14 <fugolini> Have you something to add to the discussion?
18:47:19 <susmit> nope
18:47:23 <fugolini> RodrigoPadula:
18:47:28 <RodrigoPadula> nope
18:47:35 <fugolini> Ok, I liked the points discussed and moved
18:47:54 <fugolini> thanks inode0 tatica Southern_Gentlem for the interesting point
18:47:56 <fugolini> *s
18:48:06 <tatica> np
18:48:10 <tatica> I have a question
18:48:12 <fugolini> I think we can adjourn the meeting. Can we?
18:48:15 <fugolini> ta
18:48:15 * tatica sorry about her delay
18:48:18 <fugolini> tatica:
18:48:23 <tatica> lol ta<tab> :P
18:48:30 <susmit> :)
18:48:50 <fugolini> tell us :)
18:48:56 <tatica> might that event calendar have a rss that could feed automatic a "tab/div/anything" on our wiki?
18:49:16 <tatica> so if you fill a form, those data could be updated on a main public calendar
18:49:41 <fugolini> tatica: that's why we asked Mel about Fedora Insight.
18:49:41 <susmit> tatica, we can not work on it unless it is evaluated by the community first. But the thing you mention should be easy.
18:49:59 <fugolini> susmit: you are right.
18:50:17 <RodrigoPadula> it's more tech issue than a FAMSCO issue
18:50:25 <tatica> can you explain me better what "evaluated by the community" means?
18:50:32 <tatica> sorry, I need a little bit of more context :S
18:50:50 <fugolini> I hope next FAmSCo could work on Fedora Insight and Community Portal, as suggested by many emails I wrote suring the last months.
18:50:57 <susmit> tatica, if that suits the needs of the community.
18:51:10 <tatica> ah oka, thx susmit
18:51:16 <RodrigoPadula> we can talk with MOKSA's guys too
18:51:32 <RodrigoPadula> to develop something simple to add to our community portal
18:51:46 <tatica> wiki is an excelent tool
18:51:56 <tatica> but we should have more plugins to make it better
18:52:00 <fugolini> RodrigoPadula: fedora insight is moksha
18:52:00 <fugolini> lol
18:52:05 <RodrigoPadula> yes
18:52:14 <RodrigoPadula> yes but to get informations from wiki is very complicated
18:52:32 <RodrigoPadula> and now we have a lot of ambassadors around the world adding events and updating the wiki page everyday
18:52:42 <tatica> I think is just an organization issue RodrigoPadula
18:52:43 <RodrigoPadula> so, it's very complicated to use manually
18:52:47 <fugolini> After we decided to start the relations, I got in contact with Mel and currently the calendar is installed
18:52:59 <fugolini> *have decided
18:53:01 <tatica> like I said, we could make a form and let that fill wiky easily
18:53:11 <tatica> is just an idea
18:53:22 <fugolini> sure, just passion and someone who want to volunteer :)
18:53:28 <RodrigoPadula> the biggest problem is to get informations
18:53:31 <RodrigoPadula> not only to add
18:53:33 <fugolini> ke
18:53:39 <susmit> fugolini, I am already working on it. Have no worry.
18:53:48 <RodrigoPadula> to do a report, like we are working now
18:53:49 <fugolini> great ;)
18:53:50 <susmit> I have tested 20 soultions for this. ;)
18:53:53 <tatica> then is something to fix on the search form
18:54:06 <RodrigoPadula> is very complecated to read and find/extract all informations from there
18:54:10 <tatica> nushio work on searchs for proyectofedora wiki
18:54:14 <fugolini> RodrigoPadula: sure
18:54:21 <tatica> he made a fork on that media-wiki
18:54:57 <RodrigoPadula> wiki is goog to create collaborative content but isn't good to manage some types of contents
18:55:08 <susmit> RodrigoPadula, right.
18:55:18 <RodrigoPadula> *good
18:55:37 <RodrigoPadula> we need a CMS or a system to do it for us
18:55:54 <susmit> anyway, is there anything else to discuss? or we call it a day?
18:55:57 <RodrigoPadula> I will try the system informed by susmit
18:56:01 <RodrigoPadula> I think it will work
18:56:11 <RodrigoPadula> eof
18:56:30 <fugolini> Anything to add?
18:56:37 <susmit> none from my side.
18:56:43 <RodrigoPadula> nope
18:56:48 <fugolini> Great
18:57:00 <fugolini> Thank you sirs.
18:57:02 <susmit> fugolini, thanks for leading the meeting.
18:57:10 <fugolini> Hope we will meet soon again
18:57:14 <fugolini> #endmeeting