14:01:53 <Kevin_Kofler> #startmeeting KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-09-15
14:01:53 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Sep 15 14:01:53 2009 UTC.  The chair is Kevin_Kofler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:02:52 <Kevin_Kofler> #chair than rdieter ltinkl jreznik SMParrish svahl mathstuf
14:02:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler SMParrish jreznik ltinkl mathstuf rdieter svahl than
14:03:06 <Kevin_Kofler> So, who's present?
14:03:13 <rdieter> here (for ~15 minutes)
14:03:21 * svahl is here
14:03:23 <SMParrish> here
14:03:38 <Kevin_Kofler> We have only 1 agenda item, is there anything else to discuss?
14:03:39 <rdieter> than said he had to leave office early today, would miss meeting
14:03:55 <mathstuf> here
14:03:59 <Kevin_Kofler> Should we continue the Phonon discussion we started on #fedora-kde?
14:04:01 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: phonon fun ? :)
14:04:22 <Kevin_Kofler> Before or after the other topic?
14:04:31 <rdieter> if there's nothing better to do anyway, with than absent, not sure if there's any definitive decisions to be had
14:04:47 <rdieter> phonon can go last
14:04:59 <Kevin_Kofler> OK
14:05:18 <Kevin_Kofler> I have another item: post-4.3.1 fixes.
14:06:05 <Kevin_Kofler> Well, let's start, if you can think of anything else, we can add it later.
14:06:11 <Kevin_Kofler> #topic Live images dependencies: breaking libcanberra-gtk2 dependency
14:06:19 <Kevin_Kofler> #link http://fpaste.org/Mq7P/
14:06:21 <mathstuf> i think i have some info on this
14:06:33 <mathstuf> when i was upgrading my F10 box to F11
14:06:43 <svahl> the problem here is that libcanberra-gtk2 needs gdm which also needs libcanberra-gtk2
14:06:54 <mathstuf> xulrunner was getting pulled in (this is headless)
14:07:02 * thomasj late here
14:07:14 <svahl> and with firstboot requires libcanberra-gtk2 due to metacity we have some gnome apps again
14:07:15 <rdieter> step 1: file bug(s), ping maintainers
14:07:24 <Kevin_Kofler> Ouch, this is a real mess.
14:07:30 <mathstuf> libsoup pulls in libproxy which has recently-split Requires: on libproxy-mozjs
14:07:34 <mathstuf> fun ensues from there
14:07:35 <Kevin_Kofler> We need this stuff out of the KDE spin, like yesterday.
14:07:43 <Kevin_Kofler> xulrunner and other huge stuff.
14:07:47 <mathstuf> libsoup could be removed without issue
14:07:47 <Kevin_Kofler> And we don't want GDM, either.
14:08:01 <mathstuf> so i think -libsoup in the ks file should help
14:08:06 <svahl> but where to start? gdm?
14:08:28 <Kevin_Kofler> I think libcanberra-gtk2 dragging in GDM is definitely not acceptable.
14:08:39 <rdieter> libcanberra-gtk2 would be a start, I think, go from there
14:08:45 <Kevin_Kofler> It's probably the most broken link in the chain.
14:08:49 * jreznik is here, sorry a little alte
14:09:04 <svahl> Kevin_Kofler: libsoup is needed by evolution-data-server which is pulled in by gdm (indirectly)
14:09:10 <Kevin_Kofler> Firstboot requiring metacity is a longstanding beef of mine, we really need to fix it so it can use KWin as well.
14:09:24 <Kevin_Kofler> But a library requiring a display manager? WTF?
14:09:48 <mathstuf> what pulls in evolution then?
14:10:17 <svahl> gdm -> gnome-session -> control-center -> e-d-s
14:10:45 <rdieter> hrm... svahl .. may be worth posting to fedora-devel for advice as well (referencing the too-be-filed bug)
14:11:06 <svahl> rdieter: ok
14:11:24 <svahl> I'll file a bug against libcanberra-gtk2 after the meeting then
14:11:28 <Kevin_Kofler> Looks like libcanberra-gtk2 requires gdm just for directory ownership because of one file:
14:11:30 <Kevin_Kofler> %{_datadir}/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow/libcanberra-ready-sound.desktop
14:11:35 <Kevin_Kofler> This is definitely broken.
14:11:43 <Kevin_Kofler> They need to coown the directories.
14:11:45 <rdieter> ouchie, indeed
14:12:12 <Kevin_Kofler> This was changed on Sep 11 in version 0.17.
14:12:19 <jreznik> yep
14:12:23 <Kevin_Kofler> I'm considering just fixing it.
14:12:41 <jreznik> better to fill the bug and fix it - let them know
14:13:49 <rdieter> once the impact of the change is made clear, I'm sure a solution satisfactory to all will be found
14:14:37 <Kevin_Kofler> Hopefully not the "file moving trigger" hack which got flamed about on the fedora-devel-list recently. ;-)
14:14:54 <Kevin_Kofler> I think multi-ownership is the only sane solution there.
14:15:02 <rdieter> agreed
14:15:32 <rdieter> or something like ... gnome-filesystem
14:15:32 <Kevin_Kofler> Well, a gnome-filesystem package could help, too. ;-)
14:15:38 <rdieter> ditto
14:16:08 <rdieter> jinx, ok gotta run to my appointment, bye for now
14:16:51 <Kevin_Kofler> #info libcanberra-gtk2 requires gdm as of version 0.17 (2009-09-11), this drags in other GNOME stuff and xulrunner.
14:17:06 <Kevin_Kofler> #info The dependency is just for directory ownership, a better solution is needed.
14:17:23 <Kevin_Kofler> So who's going to file the bug?
14:17:46 <svahl> I'll do it
14:17:52 <Kevin_Kofler> OK
14:18:08 <Kevin_Kofler> #action svahl to file a bug against libcanberra-gtk2 to stop requiring gdm.
14:18:26 <Kevin_Kofler> #topic post-4.3.1 fixes
14:18:54 <Kevin_Kofler> So 4.3.1 is now (finally!) out to stable, but we have some new bugfixes pending which we'll be pushing separately.
14:19:13 <jreznik> great
14:19:36 <Kevin_Kofler> I think so far we have 2 kdenetwork fixes and 1 kdepim fix, another kdepim fix was requested on the fedora-kde ML.
14:20:22 <jreznik> task manager fix is no go as it's leaking... it's just oneliner not deleting tasks...
14:20:57 <Kevin_Kofler> Where was that one?
14:21:30 <Kevin_Kofler> So far, no post-4.3.1 updates have been filed.
14:21:34 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: I sent it yesterday on IRC, one colleague asked me
14:21:46 <ltinkl> I'll file the kdepim one
14:21:53 <jreznik> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=200255
14:21:54 <buggbot> Bug 200255: normal, NOR, ---, plasma-bugs kde org, NEW, plasma-taskbar: manually arranged entries move back after changing desktops / task groups
14:21:56 <Kevin_Kofler> ltinkl: Please wait.
14:22:03 <Kevin_Kofler> There's the second fix too!
14:22:11 <ltinkl> Kevin_Kofler: which one?
14:22:18 <Kevin_Kofler> We should submit an update for the kdenetwork fixes, for kdepim we should pull in the second fix, then submit it.
14:22:34 <Kevin_Kofler> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206024
14:22:35 <buggbot> Bug 206024: crash, NOR, ---, kdepim-bugs kde org, RESOLVED FIXED, Crash when autocompleting LDAP address (KPIM::AddresseeLineEdit::slotLDAPSearchData)
14:23:10 <Kevin_Kofler> Crash, 4.3.1 regression, got pointed out on the fedora-kde ML yesterday.
14:23:31 <ltinkl> Kevin_Kofler: OK, I'll take care of this one as well
14:23:57 <Kevin_Kofler> OK, let me log things to the protocol:
14:24:06 <Kevin_Kofler> #info 4.3.1 is now out to stable.
14:24:26 <Kevin_Kofler> #action ltinkl will take care of kdepim (adding a second bugfix, submitting the update).
14:25:01 <Kevin_Kofler> That leaves kdenetwork, I believe rdieter built it for all distros, but no update is submitted so far.
14:26:27 <Kevin_Kofler> I can submit the update, should we go directly to stable with that?
14:26:48 <Kevin_Kofler> kdenetwork has:
14:26:49 <Kevin_Kofler> - kopete/bonjour patch
14:26:49 <Kevin_Kofler> - krfb produces garbled display (#523131, kde#162493)
14:27:05 <Kevin_Kofler> But I can also queue it for testing and push to stable after it hit testing.
14:28:49 <Kevin_Kofler> #action Kevin_Kofler to file kdenetwork update.
14:28:57 <Kevin_Kofler> #topic future of Phonon
14:29:10 <Kevin_Kofler> So that's the hot topic of the moment. ;-)
14:30:37 <jreznik> I think we should let this topic again - we miss than & rdieter...
14:31:12 <jreznik> but I think we should target on solution - and it's not which one, but ask upstream, that we actually need only ONE
14:31:44 <ltinkl> yup, first ask upstream, phonon & Qt devs
14:32:08 * SMParrish agrees
14:32:28 <Kevin_Kofler> #agreed topic deferred to next week, after getting upstream feedback and with the key KDE SIG people (hopefully) present
14:32:38 <Kevin_Kofler> #topic Open Discussion
14:32:47 <Kevin_Kofler> So that was it for the agenda. :-)
14:32:50 <Kevin_Kofler> Anything else to discuss?
14:33:08 <jreznik> f12 snapshot 2
14:33:15 <SMParrish> for those running rawhide a new kpackagekit will be built today and needs some testing
14:33:36 <jreznik> SMParrish: thanks, I'll try it tomorrow
14:33:47 <svahl> libcanberra-gtk2 bug was already filed: bug #522998
14:33:48 <buggbot> Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=522998 medium, medium, ---, lpoetter, NEW, remove libcanberra-gtk2 dependency on gdm
14:34:01 <jreznik> I tried snapshot - it's missing constantine-kde-theme
14:34:22 <jreznik> we should test all publicaly available isos before they should go wild
14:34:32 <Kevin_Kofler> Ugh, missing dependency somewhere?
14:35:09 <jreznik> svahl: could you check if constantine-kde-theme is dragged to live cd?
14:35:56 <svahl> jreznik: on my images from today it is present: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SebastianVahl/CurrentPackageList
14:36:32 * jreznik is going to check what's wrong on snapshot live cd
14:37:01 <Kevin_Kofler> kdenetwork updates filed: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/kdenetwork
14:37:20 <Kevin_Kofler> (queued for testing for now, none of the fixes is that urgent)
14:40:17 <mathstuf> im off, class soon
14:41:58 <Kevin_Kofler> Oh, can anybody please review this one? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523355
14:41:59 <buggbot> Bug 523355: medium, medium, ---, nobody, NEW, Review Request: kio_gopher - Gopher KIO slave for Konqueror
14:42:04 <Kevin_Kofler> Should be a fairly easy review. :-)
14:42:24 <Kevin_Kofler> rpmlint actually has 0 complaints. ;-)
14:43:09 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: I take it
14:43:52 <Kevin_Kofler> Thanks. :-)
14:43:59 <Kevin_Kofler> And another task: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=520954
14:44:00 <buggbot> Bug 520954: medium, low, ---, than, ASSIGNED, kdeedu embeds python-mwclient and it's broken
14:44:08 <Kevin_Kofler> We need python-mwclient packaged ASAP.
14:44:15 <Kevin_Kofler> It should be fairly easy to package.
14:44:32 <Kevin_Kofler> The bundled copy in kdeedu is both a guideline violation and broken.
14:46:10 <SMParrish> I can take a look at it
14:47:23 <Kevin_Kofler> #action jreznik will review kio_gopher.
14:47:38 <Kevin_Kofler> #action SMParrish will take a look at packaging python-mwclient.
14:48:16 <Kevin_Kofler> Oh, and I forgot to log this one:
14:48:23 <Kevin_Kofler> #action jreznik is going to check what's wrong on the snapshot live CD
14:49:04 <Kevin_Kofler> Anything else?
14:50:21 <Kevin_Kofler> Closing meeting in 1 minute.
14:51:54 <Kevin_Kofler> #endmeeting