16:00:32 <dtometzki> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2021-05-06)
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16:00:32 <dtometzki> #meetingname infrastructure
16:00:32 <dtometzki> #chair nirik smooge siddharthvipul mobrien zlopez pingou bodanel dtometzki
16:00:32 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
16:00:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: bodanel dtometzki mobrien nirik pingou siddharthvipul smooge zlopez
16:00:32 <dtometzki> #info Agenda is at: https://board.net/p/fedora-infra
16:00:32 <dtometzki> #info About our team: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/cpe/
16:00:33 <dtometzki> #topic aloha
16:00:45 <dtometzki> .hello
16:00:45 <zodbot> dtometzki: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
16:00:52 <jednorozec> .hello humaton
16:00:53 <zodbot> jednorozec: humaton 'Tomáš Hrčka' <thrcka@redhat.com>
16:00:55 <bodanel> ./hello
16:00:58 <bodanel> .hello
16:01:02 <zodbot> bodanel: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
16:01:04 <dtometzki> .hi
16:01:05 <zodbot> dtometzki: dtometzki 'Damian Tometzki' <linux@tometzki.de>
16:01:14 <Zlopez[m]> .hello zlopez
16:01:15 <zodbot> Zlopez[m]: zlopez 'Michal Konečný' <michal.konecny@psmail.xyz>
16:01:19 <nirik> morning
16:01:20 <bodanel> .hello bodanel
16:01:20 <zodbot> bodanel: bodanel 'Bogdan Benea' <benea_bogdan@yahoo.com>
16:01:26 <mobrien> .hi
16:01:26 <zodbot> mobrien: mobrien 'Mark O'Brien' <markobri@redhat.com>
16:01:53 <dtometzki> welcome all to our meeting
16:02:22 <ayustae> hello
16:02:25 <mboddu> .hello mohanboddu
16:02:25 <zodbot> mboddu: mohanboddu 'Mohan Boddu' <mboddu@bhujji.com>
16:03:04 <samyak-jn> .hello jnsamyak
16:03:04 <zodbot> samyak-jn: jnsamyak 'Samyak Jain' <samyak.jn11@gmail.com>
16:04:04 <dtometzki> #topic New folks introductions
16:04:04 <dtometzki> #info This is a place where people who are interested in Fedora Infrastructure can introduce themselves
16:04:04 <dtometzki> #info Getting Started Guide: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted
16:04:04 <siddharthvipul> .hello siddharthvipul1
16:04:05 <zodbot> siddharthvipul: siddharthvipul1 'Vipul Siddharth' <siddharthvipul1@gmail.com>
16:04:58 <dtometzki> for all new faces please give us a short introduce of your self and skills ?
16:06:19 <dtometzki> Any new face around?
16:07:47 <dtometzki> No the we will go forward to our next topic in 1 minute
16:07:51 <dtometzki> then
16:09:21 <dtometzki> #topic Next chair
16:09:21 <dtometzki> #info magic eight ball says:
16:09:21 <dtometzki> #info chair 2021-05-13 - jnsamyak
16:09:21 <dtometzki> #info chair 2021-05-20 - ???
16:09:21 <dtometzki> #info chair 2021-05-27 - ???
16:09:50 <dtometzki> We are pretty covered, does anybody wants to take the show at 2021-05-20 or 2021-05-27 ?
16:10:29 <bodanel> put me for 20\
16:10:32 <nirik> I can do 5/20...
16:10:36 <nirik> ha. or 27
16:11:18 <dtometzki> all stick up their finger :-)
16:11:55 <bodanel> me for 20 nirik for 27
16:12:02 <nirik> +1
16:12:06 <dtometzki> #info chair 2021-05-20 - nirik
16:12:21 <dtometzki> #info chair 2021-05-27 - dtometzki
16:12:31 <dtometzki> is it ok for all ?
16:12:35 <bodanel> sure
16:12:45 <nirik> sure. works for me.
16:12:51 <dtometzki> cool
16:13:38 <dtometzki> the we go to our next topic
16:13:43 <dtometzki> #topic announcements and information
16:13:43 <dtometzki> #info CPE Infra&Releng EU-hours team has a Monday through Thursday 30 minute meeting going through tickets at 1030 Europe/paris in #centos-meeting
16:13:43 <dtometzki> #info CPE Infra&Releng NA-hours team has a Monday through Thursday 30 minute meeting going through tickets at 1800 UTC in #fedora-meeting-3
16:13:43 <dtometzki> #info work is being done on getting COPR proper powerPC systems
16:13:43 <dtometzki> #info CPE is hiring! https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/community-platform-engineering-is-hiring/
16:13:48 <dtometzki> #info nest with Fedora CFP is open! https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/announcing-dates-cfp-for-nest-with-fedora/ (Aug 5th-8th)
16:14:25 <mobrien> #info mobrien is away 2021-05-10 to 2021-06-20
16:14:29 <dtometzki> any additional announcements or information ?
16:16:24 <dtometzki> ok then lets go to the next topic
16:16:30 <dtometzki> #topic Oncall
16:16:30 <dtometzki> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Oncall
16:16:30 <dtometzki> #info jednorozec is on call for 2021-04-29 to 2021-05-06
16:16:30 <dtometzki> #info dtometzki is on call for 2021-05-06 to 2021-05-13
16:16:30 <dtometzki> #info darknao is on call for 2021-05-13 to 2021-05-20
16:16:31 <dtometzki> #info ??? is on call for 2021-05-20 to 2021-05-27
16:16:38 <bodanel> put me
16:16:54 <bodanel> it's time I take the bull by the horns
16:17:12 <dtometzki> #info bodanel is on call for 2021-05-20 to 2021-05-27
16:17:41 <dtometzki> jednorozec, you are available ?
16:17:46 <jednorozec> yup
16:17:53 <jednorozec> I got one ping during last week
16:18:17 <jednorozec> just some package ownership change
16:18:27 <jednorozec> self serviced by the maintainer
16:18:41 <jednorozec> and that was it.
16:19:08 <dtometzki> any additional info from other peoples?
16:20:37 <dtometzki> nirik, now a topic for you :-)
16:20:41 <dtometzki> #topic Monitoring discussion [nirik]
16:20:41 <dtometzki> #info https://nagios.fedoraproject.org/nagios
16:20:41 <dtometzki> #info Go over existing out items and fix
16:20:49 <nirik> yeah...
16:21:10 <nirik> not much change since last week. Just known stuff down and known small things to clean up
16:21:20 <nirik> we can just move on this week...
16:21:47 <dtometzki> ok many thanks
16:21:56 <dtometzki> #topic Learning topic
16:21:57 <dtometzki> #info fedora docs [mobrien] on 2021-05-06
16:22:08 <mobrien> me already :)
16:22:15 <dtometzki> mobrien, now is your time
16:22:41 <mobrien> I'm not as prepared as I'd like to be as I forgot I was doing this till late today but lets go for it
16:23:00 <mobrien> In Fedora we have docs in multiple places for different things
16:23:16 <mobrien> There is a running theme through these docs that they may be slightly out of date, we try to keep up but there is a lot as you can imagine
16:23:44 <mobrien> First off we have the wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure
16:24:09 <mobrien> This has a lot of information about fedora but as with wikis in general it is difficult to search and not well indexed
16:24:53 <mobrien> You may be familiar with some of the pages such as getting started and general infrastructure but the fedora council and fesco are also active on the wiki to name a few
16:25:22 <mobrien> Next, we have Standard Operating procedures for infra sysamdins
16:25:22 <mobrien> https://fedora-infra-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/sysadmin-guide/index.html
16:26:06 <mobrien> These are usually the first port of call if you are trying to fix a problem and you are unsure of what to do, they will often have a solution
16:26:40 <mobrien> And for Developers wishing to contibute we have
16:26:40 <mobrien> https://fedora-infra-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/dev-guide/index.html
16:27:25 <dtometzki> the Docs staging environment hasn't been built up since the data center move last year. Have you on this some information ?
16:27:32 <mobrien> This is a summary of some our services and things like preferred code style etc..
16:27:43 <nirik> dtometzki: huh, it should have been...
16:28:09 <dtometzki> nirik you mean its up ?
16:28:19 <darknao> the doc building project on openshift staging has not been deployed last time i checked
16:29:03 <samyak-jn> So I might have less info here, isn't it good to have these two docs indexed within https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure?
16:29:04 <nirik> huh, weird. I can do so...
16:30:04 <mobrien> Good suggestion freenode_jnsamyak[m] and I will come a little more to that in a moment
16:30:25 <dtometzki> it isnt the topic now but i got a task to bring both teams infra and the docs team to reenable this
16:31:40 <mobrien> dtometzki: thanks for bringing it to our attention. Would you mind raising an infra ticket for it
16:31:56 * nirik just deployed docsbuilding in stg.
16:32:12 <mobrien> We also have release engineering docs: https://docs.pagure.org/releng/
16:32:14 <dtometzki> yes i will do it
16:32:17 <mobrien> thanks nirik
16:32:32 <mobrien> The above docs are all hosted in git repos in pagure
16:32:32 <mobrien> The Developer Guide and Sysadmin SOPs are here:
16:32:32 <mobrien> https://pagure.io/infra-docs
16:32:36 <nirik> dtometzki: it should update soon. ;)
16:32:42 <darknao> thanks nirik
16:33:09 <nirik> mobrien: we also have: https://pagure.io/fedora-infra/howtos/
16:33:16 <mobrien> These docs need to be built before they go live but feel free to raise PR's against that repo
16:33:41 <dtometzki> bcotton, told me Adam Šamalík (asamalik) on the docs team knows the most about the build pipleine, so he can probably say what's needed.
16:33:41 <mobrien> Yes as nirik mentioned. There is one other special case which contains daily admin howto tasks generally tasks that aren't really big enough for an SOP and usually require high level privileges
16:34:45 <mobrien> Which brings me to https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/9892
16:35:02 <mobrien> We would like to move all these to land on docs.fedoraproject.org
16:35:02 <mobrien> There would be a new section on the main page called infrastructure and release engineering
16:35:25 <mobrien> It would contain all the developer guide, sysadmin sops, releng docs and as much as possible from the wiki.
16:35:25 <mobrien> This is a large undertaking as the docs would need to be updated as they are imported and removed from their old place.
16:36:12 <mobrien> Personally I think the howtos can stay where they are but that is also open to change
16:36:45 <mobrien> pbokoc, who is our main docs guy kindly put this together a while back on the process of putting docs on docs.fp.o https://hackmd.io/cVV89YDHRVGC0Zf-gdMlBQ
16:37:44 <mobrien> So that is the info I have prepared, I have one other thing I would like to get to but I think this is a good point to pause for questions if anyone has any?
16:39:22 <dtometzki> And who is the team behind the topic  move all these to land on docs.fedoraproject.org ?
16:40:41 <mobrien> So that will be a long running task with a rotating cast, I will probably be the main point of contact for it so if you would like to help out on it you can contact me
16:41:09 <mobrien> It is something that will happen over time as it is a very large undertaking
16:41:55 <samyak-jn> mobrien[m]
16:41:55 <samyak-jn> So the first step being creation of repository named Infrastructure and release engineering and then transferring relevant docs right?
16:42:03 <bodanel> can we help with some easy tasks ?
16:42:18 <dtometzki> mobrien do you know about the new PgM team who bcotton is starting with the work ?
16:42:38 <mobrien> We have a repo that we can use https://pagure.io/infra-docs-fpo/tree/master
16:42:40 <dtometzki> perhaps we can help you here
16:42:42 <samyak-jn> Can we add steps somewhere (maybe start a discussion by filing a ticket or something) so we can all have track and help accordingly?
16:42:46 <mobrien> dtometzki: I am unaware of that
16:43:26 <mobrien> whats involved
16:43:51 <samyak-jn> <mobrien[m] "We have a repo that we can use h"> Oh okay!
16:44:28 <mobrien> freenode_jnsamyak[m]: as the project is only just kicking off you can put any comments/suggestions in this ticket and I will try help you out https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/9892
16:44:48 <samyak-jn> <mobrien[m] "freenode_jnsamyak[m]: as the pro"> Okay, thanks!
16:44:58 <samyak-jn> This will help
16:45:02 <nb> .hi
16:45:02 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nick@bebout.net>
16:45:10 <dtometzki> hi nb
16:45:29 <dtometzki> ok let us go forward to the next topic
16:45:33 <mobrien> So the process would be something like take a doc, convert it to asciidoc which is necessary for docs.fp.o then ensure the info is up to date then commit it to the new repo
16:46:57 <nirik> and first determine if a doc is obsolete/needs updating. ;)
16:47:41 <dtometzki> but it is good for learning
16:47:42 <mobrien> If you notice that a doc is obsolete, raise a PR against the old repo to just remove it
16:48:18 <mobrien> It is a great opportunity to learn as you go through them
16:48:27 <dtometzki> yeah
16:48:33 <samyak-jn> Yea, +1
16:49:02 <dtometzki> if anyone is intrested please contact mobrien
16:49:15 <mobrien> +1
16:49:18 <nirik> looking forward to better docs!
16:49:33 <nb> yes, this will be nice
16:50:03 <mobrien> Hopefully it will make contributing easier as well
16:50:11 <samyak-jn> mobrien[m] I'll go through the discussion once again and will ping you or may be will add a comment to issue itself ;)
16:50:30 <mobrien> Great! look forward to it and thanks
16:50:38 <dtometzki> many thanks mobrien for the information
16:50:56 <samyak-jn> +1
16:51:08 <bodanel> really good info
16:51:14 <dtometzki> i think we go forward because the time is running today
16:51:22 <bodanel> lets go
16:51:24 <dtometzki> #topic Ideas for upcoming learning topics
16:52:35 <dtometzki> any ideas for the next meeting ?
16:52:36 <nirik> I'm happy to talk on many things, but would like to know more what people want to hear about.
16:53:27 <dtometzki> nirik, could you explain the ansible infra ?
16:53:38 <nirik> sure!
16:53:54 <bodanel> dtometzki++
16:53:54 <zodbot> bodanel: Karma for dtometzki changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:53:55 <ayustae> +1
16:54:01 <nirik> just how it works and how to contribute? happy to.
16:54:08 <nirik> sign me up for next time for that
16:54:10 <dtometzki> yes
16:54:14 <samyak-jn> Oh yess, that will be gooood, I recently got started with ansible it will be awesome 🔥
16:54:51 <mobrien> There was an ansible talk on 2021-01-28 so maybe have a read of that and it may give some ideas of questions for nirik
16:55:27 <nirik> yep. Always happy to revisit things too... they do change... and it's nice having someone there to answer questions.
16:55:55 <dtometzki> #info ansible how it works and how to contribute [nirik] on 2021-05-13
16:56:02 <samyak-jn> <mobrien[m] "There was an ansible talk on 202"> Hehe, thanks for this will check!! Do we have a link to that now?
16:56:06 <bodanel> do you use ansible collections ?
16:56:25 <nirik> bodanel: we haven't in the past, but are just starting to now... ;)
16:56:34 <mobrien> freenode_jnsamyak[m]: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/infrastructure/infrastructure.2021-01-28-16.02.log.html
16:56:50 <samyak-jn> Thank you :")
16:57:07 <dtometzki> ok lets come to the next topic
16:57:14 <bodanel> could you please talk just a bit about those? THey are new to me and they seem interesting
16:57:42 <dtometzki> #topic informal video meeting for infrastructure contributors
16:57:42 <dtometzki> #info jitsi meeting more information from [nirik]
16:57:44 <nirik> can do. :)
16:58:03 <mobrien> Here is a link we can use for the jitsi meeting https://meet.jit.si/infrastructuremeetup
16:58:07 <nirik> will make the talk have new info too.
16:58:17 <nirik> oh, I already made one at: https://meet.jit.si/FedoraInfraCasualMeetup
16:58:28 <mobrien> Ok we will use nirik link
16:58:29 <nirik> but we can move to the other one, I don't care. ;)
16:59:06 <nirik> join us...
16:59:23 <dtometzki> ok lets go with https://meet.jit.si/infrastructuremeetup
16:59:24 <mobrien> me and nirik are here
16:59:35 <samyak-jn> Just a sec joining
17:00:08 <nirik> so we can close out here and meet at https://meet.jit.si/FedoraInfraCasualMeetup for some casual discussion...
17:00:32 <nirik> sorry for the confusion. ;(
17:00:52 <nirik> ok, lets move to the other.
17:04:27 <siddharthvipul> I hate that I have to miss the Infra Casual meetup :*
17:04:35 <siddharthvipul> s/:*/:(
17:04:51 <siddharthvipul> Busy with Council F2F
17:05:06 <Zlopez[m]> Do we want to close this one?
17:06:29 <mobrien> Can I do it?
17:06:36 <mobrien> #endmeeting