15:00:06 <nils> #startmeeting modularity_wg
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15:00:06 <nils> #meetingtopic Weekly Meeting of the Modularity Working Group
15:00:20 <nils> #topic Roll Call
15:00:28 <nils> .hello nphilipp
15:00:29 <zodbot> nils: nphilipp 'Nils Philippsen' <nphilipp@redhat.com>
15:01:22 <asamalik> .hello2
15:01:23 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com>
15:01:35 <contyk> .hello psabata
15:01:36 <zodbot> contyk: psabata 'Petr Šabata' <psabata@redhat.com>
15:02:10 <nils> #topic Agenda
15:02:28 <nils> #info #112 Discussion: Module lifecycles
15:02:36 <nils> #info 115 Discussion: Stream branch ownership for packages & modules
15:02:46 <nils> #undo
15:02:46 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by nils at 15:02:36 : 115 Discussion: Stream branch ownership for packages & modules
15:02:50 <nils> #info #115 Discussion: Stream branch ownership for packages & modules
15:03:01 <nils> #info #119 Modularity WG Charter (contd.)
15:03:09 <nils> #info #45 Clarify which kind of issues should be reported here
15:03:33 <nils> anything else not yet on the agenda which is too big/important for open floor?
15:04:06 <asamalik> nothing from my side
15:04:10 <nils> good
15:04:16 <asamalik> thanks :D
15:04:30 <nils> :D
15:04:37 <nils> #topic #112 Discussion: Module lifecycles
15:04:37 <nils> #link https://pagure.io/modularity/issue/112
15:04:37 <nils> #link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2027
15:04:58 <nils> This is a followup from before the holidays and I don't expect much has changed.
15:05:09 <asamalik> so this has been discussed at the FESCo meeting yesterday, and they'll take one more week to read through the proposal properly after the holidays
15:05:10 <contyk> we decided to give FESCo another week to fully familiarize themselves with the problem and the proposal
15:05:17 <contyk> ;)
15:05:22 <nils> hah!
15:05:44 <asamalik> haha
15:05:47 <nils> #info postponed
15:05:57 <nils> #topic #115 Discussion: Stream branch ownership for packages & modules
15:05:58 <nils> #link https://pagure.io/modularity/issue/115
15:05:58 <nils> #link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2028
15:06:03 * asamalik waits for contyk this time
15:06:04 <stickster> Ah, holidays
15:06:04 <nils> I guess this will be similar.
15:06:16 <contyk> indeed
15:06:21 <nils> At least the tickets look like it :)
15:06:24 <nils> ok
15:06:25 <asamalik> that's right :)
15:06:28 <nils> #info postponed
15:06:38 <nils> This is speed I could get used to!
15:06:48 <nils> #topic #119 Modularity WG Charter (contd.)
15:06:48 <nils> #link https://pagure.io/modularity/issue/119
15:07:06 <asamalik> nils: we could have even automated the meeting!!!
15:07:18 <contyk> nilsbot
15:07:26 <nils> So, unlike the previous two this one doesn't involve FESCo, but for similar reasons I'd postpone it.
15:07:34 <nils> contyk, hah!
15:08:07 <asamalik> .modularity 119
15:08:08 <zodbot> asamalik: Issue #119: Modularity WG Charter (contd.) - modularity - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/modularity/issue/119
15:08:10 <nils> Just, in this case, to give us time (looks meaningfully around) to read/comment/vote in the ticket.
15:08:14 * asamalik feels so much cooler now
15:08:25 <nils> you should, you should :)
15:08:46 <nils> ok, next
15:08:50 * contyk promises to look
15:08:53 <asamalik> nils: I thought we have last time?
15:08:58 <asamalik> or is this a review?
15:09:59 <nils> asamalik, IIRC we said that the proposal was too new (<1 week), so to give people time to vote, wait until after the break. Only, as breaks are, nothing happened during the break. *shrugs*
15:10:28 <nils> So I'd postpone it as the other two, for the same reasons.
15:10:46 <nils> #info postponed
15:11:04 <nils> #topic #45 Clarify which kind of issues should be reported here
15:11:04 <nils> #link https://pagure.io/modularity/issue/45
15:11:41 <nils> This actually is new on the agenda (I forgot to schedule it for last meeting) even though the ticket is quite old.
15:13:01 <asamalik> it mentions Boltron and our old docs site :)
15:13:02 <nils> The initial comment refers to specific things (Boltron) which aren't up to date but the gist seems to be: what should be reported against the modularity project on Pagure, and what should go elsewhere.
15:13:29 <nils> asamalik, yes it does :D
15:13:42 <asamalik> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/modularity/community/project-tracking/
15:13:59 <asamalik> that link should have an answer :)
15:14:07 <contyk> +1
15:14:15 <stickster> What are the "elsewheres" in this case?
15:14:39 <stickster> Ah, the kanban mentioned in link above.
15:14:43 <nils> stickster, anything involving more specific projects
15:14:49 <nils> not everything is "generic modularity"
15:15:08 <nils> something needs to go to DNF, other stuff should be filed against MBS/fm-orchestrator, ...
15:15:23 <nils> in the past this tracker was used as a dumping ground for all things modularity
15:16:36 <nils> asamalik, that only covers technical things and I'd argue that we don't want to give "the world" a blank cheque to write cards in our Kanban :)
15:17:19 <nils> So, bugs and feature requests would go in the tracker but the former isn't usually stuff we have to discuss in the WG, or is it?
15:17:22 <contyk> they can't anyway
15:17:25 * asamalik is a bit confused
15:17:53 <nils> asamalik, let me rephrase, pointing people to the project tracking page in docs won't help most of them
15:18:24 <asamalik> nils: project tracking is for our team and for reporting
15:18:26 <nils> 90% of it is how we organize our work, and only the link to the tracker is valid to the public
15:18:42 <asamalik> and for transparency of course — anyone can have a look
15:18:58 <nils> (as far as "where should I dump this or that issue with modularity" is concerned)
15:19:07 <asamalik> but it's read-only for people outside our group
15:19:34 <nils> Yeah, but transparency is a whole other topic. Let's keep to "what is this tracker for?"
15:20:25 <nils> I'd say it's 1) for things that need to be discussed between WG members, say feature requests or important bugs. Is there anything else that has a place in our tracker?
15:20:32 <asamalik> as the page says, the tracker is for "User feedback such as bugs, ideas, questions. Influencing the project from outside."
15:21:42 <asamalik> that covers anything such as processes, architecture stuff that is not a single tool, etc.
15:22:02 <asamalik> of course if you have a DNF bug report it to DNF bugzilla, etc
15:22:32 <asamalik> and of course, those bugs, ideas, questions, etc. can be topics for this very meeting
15:22:36 <nils> Yeah, perhaps we should mention what it's not for, too, spell out the distinction.
15:23:42 <asamalik> I thought that was quite clear but maybe I'm just thinking that because I wrote it so I know what it is about? :-)
15:24:55 <nils> I'll assume there are some people who will benefit from having that spelled out :)
15:25:21 <nils> I'll add it to my plate, you can review.
15:26:13 <asamalik> I'm a fan of using as little text as possible, but sure, if you feel like there's something missing, let's add it.
15:26:59 <asamalik> but we haven't had any problem of people using the tracker badly, so I'm not sure what we're fixing right now
15:27:08 <nils> I'm thinking of people who need a little more nudging to get off in the right direction. ;)
15:27:17 * contyk got distracted
15:27:57 <contyk> I'd rather leave it as it is
15:28:13 <nils> e.g. #121 should go to MBS, not our tracker
15:28:13 <contyk> if we get people reporting issues that should go elsewhere, we might reconsider
15:28:31 <contyk> it happens every now and then, in every group -- just point them to the right place and close it
15:28:52 <nils> ok
15:29:16 <asamalik> right, I'd rather have a few people using this as a backup instead of not filing anything because they had no idea what to do
15:29:32 <nils> #action nils update issue #45 with a summary and close it
15:29:34 <asamalik> we can always point them to the right direction
15:29:48 <nils> that's it from the agenda
15:29:53 <nils> anything for open floor?
15:30:04 <stickster> contyk++
15:30:04 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for psabata changed to 10 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
15:30:04 * asamalik has nothing
15:30:15 <stickster> look who's got cookies!
15:30:21 <asamalik> cookie party!!!
15:30:39 <contyk> I hope they're low carb
15:30:54 <nils> cookies. low carb. choose one.
15:31:15 <nils> anyway, that seems to be it for today
15:31:22 <nils> Thanks everybody!
15:31:26 <nils> #endmeeting