17:00:58 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting Fedora Join 2018-08-21
17:00:58 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Aug 21 17:00:58 2018 UTC.
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17:01:34 <FranciscoD> #meetingname fedora-join
17:01:34 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-join'
17:01:51 <FranciscoD> #chair dhanesh95 x3mboy bt0 linuxmodder
17:01:51 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD bt0 dhanesh95 linuxmodder x3mboy
17:02:02 <FranciscoD> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Guide
17:02:23 <FranciscoD> #topic Roll call/introductions
17:02:44 <FranciscoD> #info Please introduce yourselves with a short summary of your interests in Fedora and otherwise
17:03:10 <FranciscoD> #info ankursinha (FranciscoD): packaging, neurofedora, fedora-join, ask fedora and other assorted SIGs/teams
17:03:23 * FranciscoD will wait here for a bit for everyone to get started
17:03:26 <dhanesh95> #info Dhanesh B. Sabane, UTC+5:30, CommOps, Join, Packaging, Python, Cats (lover)
17:04:35 * dhanesh95 didn't finish tagging all tickets.
17:05:40 <bt0> #info Alberto Rodriguez: Commops (member), Marketing (member), dotnet (Tester),Join(stalker), Cats(lover)
17:05:50 <bt0> .fas bt0dotninja
17:05:51 <zodbot> bt0: bt0dotninja 'Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez' <hotgalan@gmail.com>
17:06:03 <FranciscoD> Waiting another 2 minutes
17:07:58 <FranciscoD> Right, moving on
17:08:05 <FranciscoD> #topic Announcements
17:08:32 <FranciscoD> #info Fedora 29 has been branched: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/29/Schedule
17:08:58 <FranciscoD> #info Python 2 packages will be removed from F30: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Mass_Python_2_Package_Removal
17:09:18 <FranciscoD> #info Today is the Kernel Test Day: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/kernel_test_day_4-18/
17:09:28 <dhanesh95> Python 2's retirement date is getting closer.
17:09:36 <FranciscoD> #info Fedora program manager's report: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fpgm-report-2018-33/
17:09:38 <bt0> omg
17:09:45 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: https://pythonclock.org/
17:09:52 <FranciscoD> 1 year 4 months to go
17:10:25 <dhanesh95> Around the time Fedora 30 will be released. Nice planning! :P
17:10:28 <FranciscoD> I don't have any more announcements. Any one else?
17:10:51 <dhanesh95> Nothing from my side
17:11:32 <FranciscoD> oh, one more
17:11:44 <FranciscoD> #info Flock reports are on the planet: https://planet.fedoraproject.org
17:11:52 <FranciscoD> Now I'm done :D
17:12:16 <FranciscoD> Waiting a minute before moving to next topic
17:12:36 * dhanesh95 is eagerly waiting for the tickets.
17:12:54 <FranciscoD> OK, let's move on then
17:13:04 <FranciscoD> #topic Action items from last meeting
17:13:21 <FranciscoD> #info dhanesh95 FranciscoD possibly write commblog post detailing findings
17:13:29 <FranciscoD> I think we've a ticket for this now, right dhanesh95 ?
17:13:32 <dhanesh95> Whoops!
17:13:48 <FranciscoD> Here: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/55
17:14:07 <dhanesh95> Ahh yes. I was wanting to reply to that comment of yours.
17:14:18 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: should we aim to do this before the next meeting?
17:14:38 <dhanesh95> Yes. I'll write the draft. You can polish it later. Sounds good FranciscoD ?
17:14:44 <FranciscoD> +1
17:14:50 <dhanesh95> +1
17:14:52 <FranciscoD> #action dhanesh95 write commblog post on easyfix
17:15:07 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD help improve the draft (if at all needed)
17:15:12 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: that's also one ticket done ;)
17:15:43 <dhanesh95> Woot woot!
17:16:12 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD create pagure tickets for Easyfix commblog article: DONE: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/55
17:16:48 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD create pagure tickets for Easyfix improvements task : PENDING
17:16:56 <FranciscoD> I'll do this before the next meeting. Reassigning
17:17:01 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD create pagure tickets for Easyfix improvements task
17:17:31 <FranciscoD> #action sadin create wiki for wcidff: PENDING
17:17:53 <FranciscoD> #info related ticket here: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/56 where bt0 dropped a ping last week.
17:18:02 <FranciscoD> No response from sadin yet---what should we do?
17:18:25 * FranciscoD isn't sure how active sadin is at the moment
17:18:29 <FranciscoD> I haven't seen him around for a while
17:18:42 <bt0> umm, that's true
17:19:04 <FranciscoD> .seen sadin
17:19:04 <zodbot> FranciscoD: I have not seen sadin.
17:19:10 <FranciscoD> .any sadin
17:19:10 <zodbot> FranciscoD: I have not seen sadin.
17:19:18 <FranciscoD> hrm
17:19:19 <dhanesh95> .seen FranciscoD
17:19:19 <zodbot> dhanesh95: FranciscoD was last seen in #fedora-meeting-3 1 second ago: <FranciscoD> hrm
17:19:28 <dhanesh95> :P
17:19:47 <dhanesh95> How important is this to us?
17:20:12 <dhanesh95> If not so important, we can put it on hold and send a ping to sadin.
17:20:14 <FranciscoD> Not too much. I want to wait until the new community website is up
17:20:38 <dhanesh95> And also probably remove it from next-meeting
17:20:39 <FranciscoD> then wcidff may need a re-design to link with it better
17:20:56 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD remove next-meeting from https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/56 and re-ping sadin
17:21:24 <dhanesh95> +1
17:21:34 <bt0> +1
17:21:39 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD confirm if we're still waiting on use of new openshift in https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/6579
17:22:06 <FranciscoD> #info Yes, we are still waiting for the dev instance https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/6579#comment-526146
17:22:26 <FranciscoD> I've tagged all of you in that ticket. Please do take a look and give feedback if you can think of any
17:22:28 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD being extremely efficient today! Completing actions in the meeting itself. :P
17:22:36 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD confirm if we're still waiting on use of new openshift in https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/6579: DONE
17:23:26 <FranciscoD> #info linuxmodder clean up free-media related wiki pages
17:23:36 <FranciscoD> linuxmodder: has been working on this, but it's quite a big task
17:24:03 <bt0> it's a huge task
17:24:07 <FranciscoD> #info Related ticket for Free-media wiki gardening: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/53
17:24:27 <FranciscoD> Should we remove it from "next-meeting" and continue whatever discussion we need to do on the ticket? It's a long term task
17:24:54 <dhanesh95> +1
17:24:56 <bt0> +1
17:25:24 <FranciscoD> Done
17:25:36 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD add bt0 to fedora-join group on pagure: DONE
17:25:48 <FranciscoD> #info bt0 will work the easyfix related tickets from the commops side
17:26:01 <FranciscoD> bt0: what are you working on wrt this?
17:26:20 <FranciscoD> I think reviewing the comm blog post was one task, right?
17:27:00 <bt0> yep
17:27:32 <bt0> i will take the related tickets from the commops side
17:27:47 <bt0> (all of then)
17:27:56 <FranciscoD> OK. I reckon they'll get discussed at the commops meetings anyway, so we can mark this as "inprogress/done"
17:28:14 <FranciscoD> #info bt0 will work the easyfix related tickets from the commops side: IN-PROGRESS in CommOps
17:28:26 <FranciscoD> The other three tasks are about sending out logs etc---all done
17:28:28 <FranciscoD> bt0++
17:28:39 <FranciscoD> .thank bt0
17:28:39 <zodbot> FranciscoD thinks bt0 is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to bt0++ also)
17:28:49 <bt0> :)
17:29:07 <FranciscoD> OK, that's that topic done! Now the fun stuff: tickets! :D
17:29:17 <FranciscoD> #topic Tickets review!
17:29:31 <FranciscoD> #info We're looking at these: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issues?status=Open&tags=next-meeting
17:29:31 * dhanesh95 gears up
17:29:50 <FranciscoD> I'll start with this one, since we've already looked at it:
17:30:28 <FranciscoD> #info Skipping https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/55 "Write commblog explaining how easyfix works": REVIEWED
17:30:54 <FranciscoD> #info https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/45 "Temporary member: dukebarman"
17:31:28 <FranciscoD> #info dukebarman sponsored to -join FAS group on April 21 (21/04/18): so that's 4 months now
17:31:50 <FranciscoD> Should we ping dukebarman to see what they've been up to?
17:32:05 <FranciscoD> #info The idea was to give them temporary membership so that they could edit the wiki etc
17:32:14 <FranciscoD> .fasinfo dukebarman
17:32:15 <zodbot> FranciscoD: User: dukebarman, Name: None, email: dukebarman@protonmail.com, Creation: 2018-02-23, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: None, Locale: None, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
17:32:18 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Unapproved Groups: security-team qa
17:32:21 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Approved Groups: fedora-join cla_done cla_fpca
17:32:40 <dhanesh95> .seen dukebarman
17:32:40 <zodbot> dhanesh95: I have not seen dukebarman.
17:33:04 <bt0> let me check (quickly)
17:33:32 * bt0 is doing commops metrics magic
17:33:44 * dhanesh95 hopes to learn some magic too
17:36:40 <FranciscoD> not much from datagrepper
17:36:48 * FranciscoD used this: http get https://apps.fedoraproject.org/datagrepper/raw delta==10368000 user==dukebarman
17:37:53 <FranciscoD> bt0: can you comment on the ticket with any activity info, and we'll follow it up there?
17:38:00 <bt0> i upload the graph in telegram, all his activities since 2018-01-01
17:38:06 <bt0> sure
17:38:11 <FranciscoD> ah, looking at telegram too
17:38:52 <FranciscoD> let's do it on the ticket then
17:38:57 <bt0> let me update the ticket
17:39:11 <FranciscoD> #info bt0 provide activity metrics for dukebarman on the ticket and we follow it up there
17:39:40 <FranciscoD> #info https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/40 Make classroom management team to help classroom lead
17:39:56 <FranciscoD> I think we're already doing this now. skamath has been gone a while, so we dont have an active lead anyway
17:40:03 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: bt0 : close this as "done"?
17:40:15 <dhanesh95> +1
17:40:19 <bt0> +1
17:40:29 <FranciscoD> I do want to make sure that we have a few people so that if one person goes MIA like skamath , the whole initiative doesn't fall apart
17:40:40 <FranciscoD> which is what usually happens to volunteer teams
17:41:00 <FranciscoD> so please everyone, if you find a topic and instructor for it, go ahead and organise a session
17:41:02 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: I'm still available whenever possible
17:41:15 <FranciscoD> #info please actively look for new sessions and instructors for the classroom program
17:41:23 <dhanesh95> +1
17:42:00 <FranciscoD> #info https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/39 : Use Signal instead of Telegram
17:42:18 <bt0> +1 for close
17:42:23 <FranciscoD> Low priority. Signal doesn't seem to be supporting supergroups etc anytime soon, so this is to be closed
17:42:36 <dhanesh95> Close as won't fix
17:42:41 <FranciscoD> #agreed Close #39 as wont fix
17:43:19 <FranciscoD> #info https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/35 Fedora classroom year in review post
17:43:47 <FranciscoD> It's a bit late for this now IMO. We're not using surveys to collect info on classroom sessions, so we should do this for this release (F28)
17:43:56 <FranciscoD> close as invalid, with a note to do it for this release?
17:44:17 <FranciscoD> (Also shows the importance of not having a single point of faiure)
17:44:17 <dhanesh95> +1
17:44:25 <FranciscoD> s/faiure/failure/
17:44:44 <FranciscoD> #agreed Close #35 as won't fix
17:44:55 <bt0> yeah
17:45:40 <FranciscoD> #info https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/58: [Suggestion] Update Fedora Project Topic on Quora (Derived from Mktg)
17:45:59 <FranciscoD> This is a really new one. As I've commented, I'm not clear on what -join should do here.
17:46:25 <FranciscoD> We're stretched already, and supporting a troubleshooting platform is not really related to our objectives IMO
17:47:33 <FranciscoD> Also as I've commented, I think redirecting people to Ask Fedora (where most newbie questions have already been answered) would be my preferred solution to this
17:47:46 * dhanesh95 is finding it difficult to make a decision on this one
17:47:56 <bt0> I think we need close as invalid
17:48:03 <FranciscoD> as opposed to trying to support another platform that does not have sufficient community presence
17:48:34 <FranciscoD> nor a high number of questions when compared to our current community channels
17:48:37 <bt0> maybe we can update the image or something like that but our main Q&A platform is ask
17:49:38 <dhanesh95> Sounds fair.
17:49:50 <FranciscoD> My primary concern with doing anything is that it'll give people the impression that we're on Quora actively
17:50:20 <FranciscoD> currently, anyone that looks at it sort of understands that the Fedora community isn't active on quora
17:50:47 <FranciscoD> https://www.quora.com/topic/Fedora-Project-1 -> 0 questions from 2018?
17:51:06 <dhanesh95> I just read the comments on the tickets and you have a valid point FranciscoD
17:51:22 <dhanesh95> I think we should close this as Invalid
17:51:30 <FranciscoD> Close as invalid, the justification being that Quora just isn't active enough to support?
17:51:44 <bt0> +1
17:51:57 <dhanesh95> And Join SIG is not the right team to take this up
17:52:11 <bt0> +1 for that too
17:53:19 <FranciscoD> #info https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/34 "Shall we promote easyfix more"?
17:53:41 <FranciscoD> We need to work on this. It's too vague a question.
17:53:46 <FranciscoD> Bump it up the priority list?
17:54:08 <FranciscoD> I'll assign it to myself and come up with actionble ideas by next meeting
17:54:36 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: we already did identify the items in an etherpad, didn't we?
17:54:49 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: Yes we did.
17:54:57 <FranciscoD> Ah, it's still here. Phew!
17:54:59 <FranciscoD> https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/Easyfix-tasks
17:55:08 <dhanesh95> Yayy!
17:55:21 <bt0> :D
17:56:00 <FranciscoD> I've taken this up, I'll get some stuff done by the next meeting
17:56:04 <FranciscoD> Leaving as tagged
17:56:44 <FranciscoD> #info https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/33: badge series for instructors
17:57:11 <FranciscoD> ah, we already have badges, but skamath was supposed to check how they're to be awarded
17:57:15 <FranciscoD> https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/33#comment-492513
17:57:30 <FranciscoD> Does anyone want to look into this, and maybe document it on the classroom wiki page?
17:58:07 * FranciscoD doesn't know how badges are awarded manually
17:58:17 <FranciscoD> Oh, and we're at 58 past, so this will be today's last ticket
17:58:23 * dhanesh95 doesn't know how it works
17:58:51 <dhanesh95> bt0:
17:58:59 <dhanesh95> Do you have any idea about badges?
17:59:03 <bt0> maybe we can talk with the instructors and ask for enter to #fedora-classroom
17:59:06 <FranciscoD> I've unassigned skamath from it, to start with
17:59:27 <bt0> when you chair a meeting in fedora-classroom
17:59:37 <bt0> you get the instructor badge
17:59:52 <FranciscoD> ah, hrm, but what when they do sessions on jitsi/bluejeans? We'll have to award them manually then
18:00:09 <FranciscoD> ideally, we should also be awarding badges to attendees, but we'll work on that later
18:00:20 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD update tickets
18:00:25 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD send logs to list
18:00:26 <bt0> sure, let me handle this with the fedora-badges team
18:00:34 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD update next-meeting page
18:00:40 <FranciscoD> bt0: awesome, I'll assign it to you then
18:01:23 <bt0> sure
18:01:27 <FranciscoD> Leaving it tagged as next-meeting so we can check next time
18:01:50 <FranciscoD> OK, I think we'll close now. We're 1 minute past anyway
18:01:58 <FranciscoD> #topic Open floor
18:01:59 <dhanesh95> +1
18:02:06 <FranciscoD> If there's anything urgent that needs mentioning?
18:02:13 * FranciscoD doesn't have anything
18:02:20 <dhanesh95> Nothing from my side
18:02:43 <bt0> not from me
18:02:46 <FranciscoD> Awesome
18:02:54 <FranciscoD> #info Thanks bt0 , dhanesh95 for coming! :)
18:02:57 <FranciscoD> #endmeeting