15:06:29 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting Fedora Join 2017-06-05
15:06:29 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jun  5 15:06:29 2017 UTC.  The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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15:06:29 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_join_2017-06-05'
15:06:34 <FranciscoD> #meetingname fedora-join
15:06:34 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-join'
15:06:58 <FranciscoD> #chair skamath dhanesh95 linuxmodder jwf
15:06:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD dhanesh95 jwf linuxmodder skamath
15:07:13 <FranciscoD> #topic Agenda
15:07:19 <FranciscoD> #info Roll call
15:07:25 <FranciscoD> #info New member introductions!
15:07:32 <FranciscoD> #info Community announcements
15:07:42 <FranciscoD> #info Tasks from past week
15:07:55 <FranciscoD> #info New items
15:08:00 <FranciscoD> #info Open floor
15:08:06 <FranciscoD> #topic Roll call
15:08:12 <linuxmodder> #info SELF2017 respins will be cooked Wednesday carryign 4.11.3 or 4.11.4 depending on kernel push.
15:08:39 <FranciscoD> Ankur Sinha - ankursinha - Fedora join, packaging, and testing - and other things here and there
15:08:54 <skamath> .hello skamath
15:08:55 <zodbot> skamath: skamath 'Sachin S Kamath ' <sskamath96@gmail.com>
15:09:13 <nb> .hello2
15:09:14 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nb@nb.zone>
15:09:28 <FranciscoD> #chair nb
15:09:28 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD dhanesh95 jwf linuxmodder nb skamath
15:09:31 <linuxmodder> Corey Sheldon FamNA,Join,Respins,Docs,QA,Server,Security and others
15:09:35 <skamath> Woah. I didn't know about hello2
15:09:57 <FranciscoD> heh, neither did I :D
15:10:05 <linuxmodder> .hello2 linuxmodder
15:10:06 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@openmailbox.org>
15:10:29 <nb> linuxmodder, you don't need your nick on .hello2, .hello2 does .hello $nick
15:10:35 <FranciscoD> Let's wait a minute or two and then go on to the next topic
15:11:08 <linuxmodder> nb,  so it's a u/l or whatever they are called ?
15:11:18 <nb> .misc help hello2
15:11:18 <zodbot> nb: (hello2 <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "hello $nick".
15:11:20 <nb> that's what it does
15:11:23 <nb> .misc help hello
15:11:23 <zodbot> nb: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
15:11:29 <nb> .misc help hellomynameis
15:11:29 <zodbot> nb: (hellomynameis <username>) -- Return brief information about a Fedora Account System username. Useful for things like meeting roll call and calling attention to yourself.
15:11:30 <linuxmodder> nb,  btw you have access on the new nodes for respins
15:11:36 <nb> it's actually a chain of aliases :)
15:11:52 <skamath> nb++
15:11:52 <zodbot> skamath: Karma for nb changed to 21 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
15:12:08 <FranciscoD> aha, yes, use those cookies up before the next release!
15:12:11 <FranciscoD> nb++
15:12:11 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Karma for nb changed to 22 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
15:12:27 <FranciscoD> On to the next topic
15:12:36 <FranciscoD> #topic New member introductions
15:12:52 <FranciscoD> Anyone here that'd like to introduce themselves? :)
15:13:05 <skamath> I don't think there are any new members
15:13:16 <FranciscoD> :(
15:13:30 <linuxmodder> yeah no new names jumping out in chan userlist
15:13:37 <FranciscoD> Let's give it 2 minutes anyway, and then we'll go on to the next topic
15:14:24 <skamath> I decided to tail my access log to see what's going on with my blog post and I can see TwitterBot and LinkedinBot crawling on it already
15:15:08 <FranciscoD> skamath: they crawl quite frequently
15:15:11 <FranciscoD> anyway, next
15:15:18 <FranciscoD> #topic Community announcements
15:15:22 <FranciscoD> Please use the info command
15:15:45 <FranciscoD> #info F26 beta is NO-GO: slips by a week - https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/RXMZXO2GXJXWEXWOS63D4VDF5IZGXIVB/
15:15:56 <FranciscoD> #info NOTE: this does not affect F27 schedule
15:16:20 * FranciscoD tries to think if there's anything else
15:17:11 <FranciscoD> There's a thread about migrating the packaging infra over to pagure
15:17:15 <FranciscoD> Let me go get the link
15:17:34 <linuxmodder> #info SELF2017 respins will be cooked Wednesday carryign 4.11.3 or 4.11.4 depending on kernel push.
15:17:46 <linuxmodder> #link http://tinyurl.com/live-respins2
15:18:02 <linuxmodder> #link https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/live-respins
15:18:14 <FranciscoD> hyperkitty is a bit slow
15:19:17 <FranciscoD> #info Pagure, dist-git, and so on -> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/LX6NEXHZAE7LQ4LPL3A3VQJ63JA6SZ45/ -> this thread
15:19:17 <skamath> FranciscoD, it is.
15:19:29 <FranciscoD> Anything else?
15:20:13 <FranciscoD> Let's move on to the next topic then
15:20:20 * skamath is going afk for a bit
15:20:22 <FranciscoD> #topic Tasks from past week
15:21:01 <FranciscoD> #info Review of various video platforms for Classroom v2: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/22
15:21:16 <FranciscoD> #info skamath write a report about Jitsi and post it on Classroom v2 ticket
15:21:31 <FranciscoD> starting with that, because I know skamath has done his homework unlike me :/
15:21:38 <FranciscoD> skamath: can you give us a short summary please?
15:21:39 <linuxmodder> I admit I got sidetracked I can have my report for next week
15:21:49 <FranciscoD> linuxmodder: me too - I'll info it all as reminders
15:22:34 <FranciscoD> #info skamath wrote: https://blog.sachinwrites.xyz/2017/06/05/jitsi-review-for-use-in-fedora-classroom-sessions/
15:22:52 <FranciscoD> linuxmodder: do you think we should have separate tickets for our tasks? Or would that be hyper-organisation?
15:23:26 <FranciscoD> A "video platform review" ticket, as opposed to just pasting the links to our findings in the master ticket?
15:23:54 <linuxmodder> one ticket maybe separate forks / PRs  is my siggestion
15:24:26 <FranciscoD> ok - because we're going to look at other things, and reckon the master ticket will get too cluttered for people to follow
15:24:39 <FranciscoD> I'll open a single ticket for "video platforms" and so on then
15:25:02 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD Open ticket for "Video platform review" and use the master ticket as a tracker ticket for the whole thing
15:25:04 * skamath is back
15:25:18 <skamath> Ok, so I reviewed Jitsi and I have posted it in my blog
15:25:18 <FranciscoD> skamath: just looking at your post - can you give a tiny summary?
15:25:34 <skamath> IMO, Jitsi is a really good platform for us to use and has everything we need.
15:25:54 <FranciscoD> skamath: so where is the server hosted? On jitsi infra?
15:25:57 <skamath> It doesn't require a server, doesn't require a separate login and can handle ~50 users comfortably.
15:26:02 <FranciscoD> oh, is it P2P?
15:26:04 <skamath> FranciscoD, Yes. It is on Jitsi Infra
15:26:16 <FranciscoD> hrm, and is the server open source then?
15:26:30 <skamath> However, the entire codebase is open source. I'm not sure about the server.
15:26:54 <FranciscoD> hrm, I ask because of the privacy bit - got to be careful that the info that goes through the server is secure and unreadable by others
15:26:57 <linuxmodder> that makes me iffy
15:27:00 <skamath> Atlassian took over Jitsi couple of years back.
15:27:04 <linuxmodder> blackbox effect
15:27:27 <FranciscoD> skamath: can you check on these things? It's sort of why I thought we could host the server on Fedora infra - so we know exactly what's going on
15:27:31 <skamath> Well, we are all on Freenode :)
15:27:32 <linuxmodder> I mean it's better than say 'skype' but still blackbox
15:27:49 <skamath> FranciscoD, I'll check that part out.
15:27:55 <linuxmodder> ircd however is fully o/s
15:28:02 <FranciscoD> skamath: yes, but we know how Freenode works, and their data policies are clear
15:28:24 <linuxmodder> I wish ircd7 was more widely used tho no lie
15:28:45 <FranciscoD> skamath: the other thing - any chance you could throw their rpms through fedora-review to see how well they've been packaged?
15:29:00 <FranciscoD> (in case we want to deploy it and have to add the package to the repos)
15:29:03 <skamath> FranciscoD, from what I saw, it is not packaged becauses it uses ffmpeg
15:29:32 <FranciscoD> skamath: if it's a runtime requirement and jitsi can still function without it, then jitsi can be in the repos
15:29:44 <FranciscoD> but yes, reliance on ffmpeg is a bit of an issue for deployment on fedora infra
15:29:53 <skamath> FranciscoD, it's more like a dependency.
15:30:09 <skamath> It is here though : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/VoIP#Applications.2FLibraries_of_Interest
15:30:12 <linuxmodder> but compiled or runtime ?
15:30:38 <skamath> I'm not sure.
15:30:48 <FranciscoD> linuxmodder: even if it's runtime, I doubt we can deploy on Fedora infra - they don't use rpmfusion etc
15:31:03 <FranciscoD> OK, anyway, great work skamath :)
15:31:12 <skamath> FranciscoD, we don't need Fedora Infra. I will look into their data policy and update the blog post
15:31:22 <skamath> I'll also research about the server parts of it
15:31:30 <FranciscoD> skamath: I'll open a ticket for video platform review, and can you please then post your blog link there?
15:31:33 <FranciscoD> skamath++
15:31:33 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Karma for skamath changed to 10 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
15:31:36 <skamath> +1
15:31:37 <skamath> Will do
15:31:48 <FranciscoD> #action skamath look at jisti server in more detail
15:31:56 <linuxmodder> the fedora infra was for federation aiui skamath
15:31:59 <FranciscoD> #action skamath look at ffmpeg reliance in jitsi in more detail
15:32:42 <FranciscoD> skamath: how does one login? Your blog says no account needed - open id?
15:32:59 <skamath> FranciscoD, Well you just connect to any server and you can set a nick name.
15:33:08 <skamath> You don't have to be logged in at all.
15:33:11 <FranciscoD> I do like the other features - text for QA too
15:33:14 <FranciscoD> aha, even nicer
15:33:26 <FranciscoD> skamath: and any idea how they handle "spam" accounts?
15:33:33 <skamath> linuxmodder, not sure if I follow.
15:33:43 <skamath> FranciscoD, no accounts :P
15:34:10 <skamath> Well, the person who created the meeting can decide who joins
15:34:10 <FranciscoD> skamath: i mean can you "kick" someone that turns up and becomes a nuisance? ;)
15:34:14 <skamath> (can kick people)
15:34:15 <skamath> Yes.
15:34:16 <FranciscoD> ah, ok
15:34:18 <FranciscoD> great
15:34:23 <FranciscoD> ticking most of our checkboxes here
15:34:38 <FranciscoD> skamath: please do update your blog post with more details. It'll also serve as a template to us lazy folks to follow ;)
15:34:54 <skamath> FranciscoD, I'll do that :)
15:34:56 <FranciscoD> Next, we had:
15:35:03 <skamath> FranciscoD, https://meet.jit.si/FedoraTestServer
15:35:09 <skamath> If you want to check it out in real time.
15:35:15 <FranciscoD> skamath: awesome, will do
15:35:21 <FranciscoD> #info x3mboy review ekiga -> x3mboy isn't here, to do next week
15:35:25 <FranciscoD> #action x3mboy review ekiga
15:35:44 <skamath> It's all dynamic, so once I leave the meeting , the next person in there will take over the channel.
15:35:51 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD check if #fedora-classroom is ready - FranciscoD is a bad boy and hasn't done his homework :(
15:35:55 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD check if #fedora-classroom is ready
15:36:14 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD review open meeting -> FranciscoD is a really bad boy and hasn't done this either
15:36:17 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD review open meeting
15:36:32 <skamath> Forgot one more thing. Creating a meeting is as simple as : meet.jit.si/<some_awesome_name>
15:36:39 <dhanesh95> .hello dhanesh95
15:36:40 <zodbot> dhanesh95: dhanesh95 'Dhanesh Bhalchandra Sabane' <dhanesh95@disroot.org>
15:36:48 <skamath> FranciscoD, I can take that one up.
15:36:51 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD check if #fedora-classroom is ready -> Did tinker with the channel, but check isn't complete - some more work to do
15:37:01 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD check if #fedora-classroom is ready - complete check and comment on ticket
15:37:03 <skamath> Since I am already done with one, I guess it will ease your workload.
15:37:11 <FranciscoD> skamath: openmeeting, you mean? Sure?
15:37:24 <skamath> FranciscoD, Yep. No problem.
15:37:32 <FranciscoD> I owe you a beer, mate
15:37:40 <FranciscoD> #action skamath review open-meeting
15:37:46 <skamath> :D
15:37:56 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD pay for skamath 's beers when they meet
15:38:03 <skamath> hahah.
15:38:13 <FranciscoD> #info linuxmodder- to review BBB
15:38:31 <FranciscoD> linuxmodder - reassign for next week? ;)
15:39:37 <FranciscoD> reassigning - linuxmodder said he'd do it this week earlier
15:39:50 <FranciscoD> #info linuxmodder- to review BBB - will be done by next week reassigning
15:39:56 <FranciscoD> #action linuxmodder- to review BBB
15:40:16 * dhanesh95 is extremely late. Will catch up on logs.
15:40:23 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: no worries, take your time
15:40:29 <dhanesh95> Ping me if you need any hands on deck.
15:40:35 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD send out meeting logs and blog about the meeting -> aha! something FranciscoD did do!
15:40:54 <skamath> lol
15:40:57 <FranciscoD> #info Blog post on last meeting - http://ankursinha.in/blog/2017/05/23/fedora-join-meeting-22-may-2017-summary-and-updates.html
15:41:17 <skamath> FranciscoD++
15:41:18 <FranciscoD> #action everyone - find more instructors willing to take sessions
15:41:28 <FranciscoD> keeping that on the agenda each meeting ^
15:41:48 <FranciscoD> that's all from last meeting I reckon
15:41:57 <FranciscoD> #topic New items
15:42:22 <FranciscoD> #info Nothing new with IRC classroom resurrection - waiting to get closer to release to start mktg activites
15:42:51 <FranciscoD> #info Fedora public facing web audit - https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/21
15:43:11 <FranciscoD> #info there's a report there already, we need to look at it and come up with action items
15:43:31 <FranciscoD> #info https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/21#comment-435794
15:44:05 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: skamath - how do we go about this? Should we all read the post and see what we come up with, or should one person take it up?
15:44:11 <FranciscoD> linuxmodder: nb ^ ?
15:45:05 <skamath> I think we should all go through it and comment on the ticket
15:45:16 <skamath> Pagure is throwing 500.
15:45:19 <skamath> :/
15:45:37 <FranciscoD> http://kylerconway.com/fedora-design/become-designer.sozi.htmi
15:46:06 <skamath> 404?
15:46:15 <skamath> Oh, wait. html
15:46:19 <skamath> Gotcha.
15:46:19 <FranciscoD> er, sorry :D
15:46:51 <FranciscoD> #action x3mboy skamath dhanesh95 linuxmodder nb FranciscoD review @kylerconway's great work here: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/21#comment-435794
15:47:05 <skamath> kylerconway++
15:47:06 <zodbot> skamath: Karma for kylerconway changed to 1 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
15:47:11 <FranciscoD> I reckon at some point we'll speak to websites about this, but leaving that off the agenta for  the time being
15:47:14 <FranciscoD> kylerconway++
15:47:19 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Karma for kylerconway changed to 2 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
15:47:19 <skamath> That looks great!
15:48:01 <FranciscoD> this too: https://mastodon.social/@K_REY_C/1998168
15:48:09 <FranciscoD> #info wiki.gnome.org/Newcomers
15:48:37 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: could you look at this to see if you can pick stuff from this for the wiki redesign too?
15:49:07 <FranciscoD> We have another item on the agenda: mentoring re-do - but I reckon we'll leave it out this time. We've only got 10 minutes to go
15:49:18 <FranciscoD> #info skip "Mentoring re-do" due to lack of time
15:49:28 <FranciscoD> #topic Open Floor
15:49:44 <FranciscoD> right, any random thoughts and so on? Let 'em fly!
15:50:50 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD blog summarising the meeting
15:51:06 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD send out meeting logs and summary
15:51:40 <skamath> The website is AWESOME!
15:51:45 <skamath> That was fun.
15:52:02 <skamath> kylerconway++ again
15:52:06 <FranciscoD> heh, yea, well made - I wonder if we can get kylerconway to document how it was done ;)
15:52:29 <skamath> *_*
15:52:39 <FranciscoD> http://sozi.baierouge.fr
15:52:47 <FranciscoD> that's what was used to make it, fyi
15:52:58 <linuxmodder> sorry got pulled away
15:53:25 * skamath bookmarks it
15:53:36 <FranciscoD> no worries linuxmodder - just wrapping up here - nothing more to discuss from the looks of it
15:54:08 <FranciscoD> ending meeting in 5
15:54:18 <FranciscoD> please stop me if there's anything else to discuss in the remaining time
15:55:26 <skamath> nfm.
15:55:48 <FranciscoD> closing in 4
15:55:50 <FranciscoD> 3
15:55:50 <FranciscoD> 2
15:55:53 <FranciscoD> 1.75
15:55:55 <FranciscoD> 1
15:55:58 <FranciscoD> #endmeeting