16:03:51 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting fedora-join
16:03:51 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Feb 27 16:03:51 2017 UTC.  The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:04:12 <FranciscoD> #chair ankit01ojha sumukher Rhea linuxmodder dhanesh95 jwf x3mboy
16:04:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD Rhea ankit01ojha dhanesh95 jwf linuxmodder sumukher x3mboy
16:04:24 <FranciscoD> (If there's anyone I've missed please ping me)
16:04:39 <FranciscoD> #topic Roll call
16:04:43 <FranciscoD> .hello ankursinha
16:04:44 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
16:05:25 <FranciscoD> #info ankursinha Fedora Join, package maintainer, and helper wherever possible
16:05:43 <ankit01ojha> hello ankit raj ojha
16:05:54 <FranciscoD> .hello ankit1997
16:05:56 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankit1997 'None' <ankit123rudra@gmail.com>
16:06:56 <dhanesh95> #info Dhanesh B. Sabane, UTC +5:30, CommOps, Marketing, Python, ML, Join, Packaging and more to come
16:07:07 <dhanesh95> Aloha everyone!
16:07:10 <FranciscoD> .chair dhanesh95
16:07:10 <zodbot> dhanesh95 is seated in a chair with a nice view of a placid lake, unsuspecting that another chair is about to be slammed into them.
16:07:11 <FranciscoD> :P
16:07:20 * dhanesh95 waves to all
16:07:30 <dhanesh95> Hahahhahha...
16:07:34 <Rhea> o.o
16:07:42 <ankit01ojha> :D
16:07:56 <FranciscoD> I mean.. hello
16:08:02 <FranciscoD> typo sorry ;)
16:08:21 <FranciscoD> should I move on to announcements?
16:08:35 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: For ever chair that slams into me, you get a taste of it too :P
16:08:41 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: Sure
16:09:08 <FranciscoD> haha, ok
16:09:12 <FranciscoD> #topic announcements
16:09:27 <FranciscoD> #info new paste.fedoraproject.org application: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/S4UJHVHEKODXOSCJ4KI4JVUA7X2MV2WO/
16:09:58 <FranciscoD> #info please note that some features such as authentication have not yet been enabled, and that the fpaste client doesnt work completely with the new instance yet
16:10:40 <FranciscoD> #info For any issues, please file a ticket on the infra ticket tracker: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issues
16:10:57 <x3mboy> .hello x3mboy
16:11:01 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
16:11:17 <FranciscoD> #info Fedora Layered Image Release: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/FZDDDOKTOOS7Z22JXM77LB2BFHJOEFH7/
16:11:31 <x3mboy> #info Eduard Lucena, UTC-4, Magazine, Marketing, Join, Hubs
16:11:49 <x3mboy> Sorry, I'm a little late
16:11:56 <FranciscoD> hiya x3mboy - no worries, just getting started
16:12:05 * FranciscoD has no other announcements
16:12:08 <FranciscoD> Anyone else?
16:12:30 <dhanesh95> Nothing here
16:12:53 <FranciscoD> #topic updates from WIP tickets
16:13:09 <FranciscoD> Let's do this before we go into mentorship
16:13:52 <FranciscoD> We'd discussed classrooms last time, and we've got wayyy too many ideas on how to go about it, and what to use, and so on
16:14:23 <FranciscoD> So while we figure all of that out for a brand new classroom system from scratch - https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/22
16:14:58 <FranciscoD> , I'm working to get the IRC classrooms back up - that way, we can transition into Classrooms v2 when it's ready
16:15:05 <FranciscoD> https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/23
16:15:20 <FranciscoD> I've begun looking for instructors to take sessions - we have a few volunteers
16:15:33 <FranciscoD> and a draft is on the commblog waiting for review
16:15:38 <FranciscoD> https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=3483&action=edit
16:16:03 <FranciscoD> The ML is active already, and so is the channel - so we're only waiting for instructors to line up sessions and begin
16:16:36 <FranciscoD> #info The webspace audit is being worked upon: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/21
16:16:46 <FranciscoD> Nothing worth discussing there yet
16:17:11 <FranciscoD> skamath: you around?
16:17:27 <FranciscoD> any progress on the council proposal?
16:17:33 * FranciscoD isn't even sure how to go about this
16:17:35 <FranciscoD> https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/19
16:18:12 <dhanesh95> Ohh.. skamath didn't reply to this one?
16:18:23 <FranciscoD> I don't think there are any other tickets that we're working on at the moment
16:18:37 <dhanesh95> Seems like skamath is pretty busy..
16:18:39 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: not yet, I think he'd gotten caught up in other things recently - not talked to him much
16:18:42 <FranciscoD> yeh
16:19:13 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: Do we have a deadline for this?
16:19:15 <FranciscoD> that's OK though - who ever takes it up needs to do it when they're sure they have the time
16:19:24 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: not yet, it's still only an idea
16:19:44 <x3mboy> Sorry, my lag, but I'm installing a VM and my laptop is slow
16:20:16 <FranciscoD> happens to us all x3mboy :)
16:20:28 <x3mboy> For #22, I think that the idead of IRC classroom get a lot of attention, so V2 will be even better
16:20:45 <dhanesh95> About Classrooms v2, we have lot of ideas. I would like to help as a volunteer. Ping me if you need any help
16:20:58 <FranciscoD> +1 - i thought it would help gain some visibility for the entire "classroom" concept
16:21:07 <x3mboy> dhanesh95, of course we will
16:21:19 <x3mboy> I love this idea, and I'm going to put a lot of work on it
16:21:23 <FranciscoD> we're overflowing with ideas - we need to structure it up a bit
16:21:31 <FranciscoD> x3mboy and Rhea are quite keen on it :)
16:22:01 <x3mboy> For IRC Clasroom, a lor of people want to help, and we probably will need to create and scheduled
16:22:15 <x3mboy> a schedule*
16:22:25 <FranciscoD> x3mboy: yea, it's happening on the classroom ML - if you find people that want to help, please ask them to email that ML
16:22:44 <FranciscoD> then we can start putting the schedule up on the wiki and publicising sessions
16:22:45 <x3mboy> I can help with that, but I just subscribe to classroom ML.
16:22:46 * dhanesh95 opens up labyrinth to jot down everything
16:23:08 <x3mboy> And I will create a Magazine article to publicize the classes
16:23:08 <FranciscoD> (we dont want to publicise this until we have a few sessions lined up - otherwise there's the risk that it'll die out again)
16:23:09 <x3mboy> :D
16:23:23 <x3mboy> FranciscoD, agreed
16:23:44 <FranciscoD> OK, let's move on to mentoring - we'll need time to brainstorm
16:23:58 <FranciscoD> #topic resurrect the mentorship programme: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/18
16:24:35 <FranciscoD> I've set up an etherpad here so that we can all type things in as we go: https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/FedoraMentoring
16:24:41 * x3mboy is amaze about how slow is google chrome when Virtualbox is running
16:24:51 <FranciscoD> I thought we'd do it in question and answer form this time
16:24:54 <FranciscoD> so,
16:25:16 <FranciscoD> #info Q1: what comes to mind when we think of a mentor?
16:25:43 <x3mboy> Ambassador's mentors
16:26:03 <FranciscoD> x3mboy: expand - what is their purpose, what do they do?
16:26:07 <ankit01ojha> Someone who is expert in that field and know how to make an expert in that :)
16:26:16 <ankit01ojha> according to me
16:26:45 <dhanesh95> Ans: A person who guides us on the right path, helps us when in need and tries to convert an amateur into a professional
16:26:45 <ankit01ojha> what mentor is
16:26:53 <FranciscoD> ankit01ojha: ok, expand - do you think of them the way you think of classroom teachers? or do you think of them as friends who help out? Do they train you, or do they help you answer questions?
16:27:21 <ankit01ojha> as a friend who can help me and train
16:27:32 <dhanesh95> And most importantly, doesn't spoon-feed anything. Makes us think
16:27:52 <ankit01ojha> not helping in everytime but showing a way to do you stuff
16:28:18 <FranciscoD> x3mboy: what do you think?
16:28:21 <ankit01ojha> like what in club (FOSS@amrita) we call it googling
16:28:33 <FranciscoD> ankit01ojha: ah, tell us more about how it works there
16:28:56 <ankit01ojha> people will tell you what to do , and then you have to google , find it, learn it
16:29:03 <x3mboy> Well, is more like a guide, not a teacher, it will show you the way of doing that, not teaching you how to do it
16:29:16 <ankit01ojha> and still if you have problem they help you out
16:29:28 <dhanesh95> +1
16:29:41 <FranciscoD> ok, so, would it be correct if I say a mentor is your "primary point of contact" - the person you turn to first when you need help?
16:29:55 <FranciscoD> is that summary correct?
16:29:56 <ankit01ojha> yep its kind of guide but I think its nice
16:29:58 <ankit01ojha> @FranciscoD yes
16:30:00 <x3mboy> Yes
16:30:14 <FranciscoD> Rhea: what do you think? ^
16:30:41 <FranciscoD> (you can all add things to the etherpad btw!)
16:30:48 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: +1
16:30:55 <x3mboy> It's pretty important here to make a distinguish between a general mentor (like I feel we are talking about here) and the specific Ambassador's Mentors
16:31:24 <FranciscoD> x3mboy: can you summarise what the mentors in the Ambassadors project do?
16:32:30 <x3mboy> FranciscoD, fromthe wiki: "Mentors are experienced ambassadors who can help you quickly become acclimated to the work expected of Ambassadors as well as ensuring that Ambassadors within Fedora do an acceptable job of representing Fedora."
16:33:12 <ankit01ojha> +1
16:33:19 <x3mboy> Also, they sponsor your work to became an ambassador
16:33:43 <FranciscoD> Apart from them also being sponsors, how's this different from a "general mentor"? Can ambassador mentors revoke someones ambassador membership for example?
16:34:19 <x3mboy> I don't think so, I think this only can be done by FAmSCO
16:34:48 <FranciscoD> ok, so the primary difference seems to be that Ambassadors mentors ensure that the candidate being sponsored meets certain requirements
16:35:10 <FranciscoD> (which as I recall, was done to prevent people from calling themselves Fedora Ambassadors without actually doing anything)
16:35:53 <ankit01ojha> I think there should be general mentors so that everyone can get help and then meet the requirements
16:35:59 <FranciscoD> +1
16:36:08 <x3mboy> FranciscoD, mostly or at least in public. In the behind, the Mentor idea is to help contributors to get involverd in projects, and From my POV, help you tto find a general mentor in some other project's area
16:37:26 <FranciscoD> x3mboy: yea, right - so is it correct to say that "general mentors" that we are trying to set up are similar to "ambassador mentors" but without the final sponsorship thing
16:38:04 <ankit01ojha> Why general mentors can't have final sponsorship thing?
16:38:06 <FranciscoD> since they will also help you get involved in projects and help you meet other mentors and community members?
16:38:17 <FranciscoD> ankit01ojha: they can, but I mean that it isn't a necessary requirement
16:38:47 <FranciscoD> if they're sponsors to various teams, sure, they can sponsor people they are mentoring, but this isn't a necessary requirement
16:38:55 <ankit01ojha> Yeh your right
16:39:33 <x3mboy> Ambassador Mentors will be the Mentors we are setting up for the Ambassadors Project
16:39:36 <x3mboy> Right?
16:40:05 <FranciscoD> pretty much - they're a special case of "general mentors"
16:40:14 <FranciscoD> if that makes sense?
16:40:24 <x3mboy> Yes
16:40:32 <FranciscoD> OK, good
16:40:37 <ankit01ojha> @FranciscoD: +1
16:40:43 <FranciscoD> Can we find a better term than "general mentors"?
16:40:55 <FranciscoD> something marketable?
16:40:59 <ankit01ojha> Mentors
16:41:24 <ankit01ojha> Trustful isint it?
16:41:31 <x3mboy> Jedis?
16:41:48 <FranciscoD> Guru?
16:42:00 * FranciscoD is dumping all this to the etherpad too
16:42:10 <FranciscoD> ankit01ojha: yea, but usually when you restart something, rebranding helps ;)
16:42:11 <ankit01ojha> Hehe,  guru will be nice
16:42:11 <ankit01ojha> +1
16:42:38 <ankit01ojha> Yes
16:43:04 <x3mboy> I don't know. Guru's not always are helpful people
16:43:47 <ankit01ojha> Guru are guides and teacher in all fields of life according to me :D
16:43:48 <FranciscoD> yeah, but we can add our own spin to it
16:43:59 * x3mboy excuses again, He's also taking lunch
16:44:07 <FranciscoD> anyway, we have a few options, and I can even ask the community for more suggestions
16:44:21 <FranciscoD> "Professor X" even? XD
16:44:23 <x3mboy> +1 to ask
16:44:30 <x3mboy> Yoda's???
16:44:37 <FranciscoD> +1
16:45:12 <ankit01ojha> What's yoda's?
16:45:19 <ankit01ojha> Idk
16:45:24 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD file ticket regarding polling the community for new name for fedora mentors
16:45:44 <FranciscoD> ankit01ojha: was a jedi master in star wars
16:45:50 <FranciscoD> learn much, you must :)
16:46:03 <FranciscoD> ankit01ojha: http://www.yodaspeak.co.uk/index.php -> go play ;)
16:46:12 <x3mboy> :D
16:46:30 <ankit01ojha> Oh sorry i forgot
16:46:39 <ankit01ojha> :D
16:47:06 <FranciscoD> so we agree that a "general mentor" is someone that is your primary point of contact and helps you learn more about certain projects and the community in general, and also helps you link up with other mentors and community members
16:47:17 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: ankit01ojha x3mboy Rhea ^ OK?
16:48:07 <ankit01ojha> +1
16:48:54 <FranciscoD> #agreed - pretty much - that a "general mentor" is someone that is your primary point of contact and helps you learn more about certain projects and the community in general, and also helps you link up with other mentors and community members
16:48:55 <x3mboy> +1
16:49:17 <FranciscoD> Ok, that's a big step in the right direction
16:49:43 <FranciscoD> So, extending that, can we say that the aim of the mentoring programme is to:
16:49:59 <x3mboy> FranciscoD, Can I raise a point here?
16:49:59 <FranciscoD> 1. encourage experienced + skilled community members to sign up as mentors
16:50:04 <FranciscoD> x3mboy: yes, of course
16:50:58 <x3mboy> If we are going to make this reallity, please we need to try to keep a Contact Book updated with the info, but for real, not a wiki page.
16:51:15 <FranciscoD> x3mboy: yea, we'll have to set up a proper system
16:51:27 <FranciscoD> (that'll be what we work on next)
16:51:34 <x3mboy> Thanls
16:51:38 <x3mboy> Thanks*
16:51:52 <FranciscoD> ok, so going back to clarifying the aim of the mentorship project:
16:52:00 <FranciscoD> can we say that the aim of the mentoring programme is to:
16:52:04 <FranciscoD> 1. encourage experienced + skilled community members to sign up as mentors
16:52:41 <FranciscoD> 2. set up the right channels and infrastructure to enable community members to interact with these community mentors by:
16:52:56 <FranciscoD> a. maintaining an up to date list of mentors
16:53:36 <FranciscoD> b. maintaining channels to connect community members with mentors
16:54:30 <FranciscoD> c. establish a process that helps to maintain a constant stream of mentors and mentor-member relationships
16:54:46 <FranciscoD> how does this sound/
16:54:48 <FranciscoD> ?
16:55:15 <ankit01ojha> Its fine
16:55:24 <x3mboy> Sounds good
16:55:38 <FranciscoD> the process includes - making sure mentors aren't swamped with too many requests; letting mentors "release" their students when they think the students have matured enough
16:55:42 <ankit01ojha> And should be a friend rather than classroom teacher
16:55:42 <ankit01ojha> :p
16:55:52 <FranciscoD> ideally, we'd like students to go on and turn into mentors themselves
16:55:54 <FranciscoD> ankit01ojha: +1
16:56:22 <FranciscoD> we usually don't have classroom teachers in open source communities anyway
16:56:52 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD file tickets on the join pagure project breaking the aims down into TODOs
16:57:04 <x3mboy> +1
16:57:06 <ankit01ojha> That's cool if students will become mentors after they are matured enough
16:57:26 <ankit01ojha> In that field
16:57:29 <FranciscoD> #info all mentoring related tasks will be tagged "mentoring"
16:57:30 <ankit01ojha> @FranciscoD +1
16:57:35 <x3mboy> ankit01ojha, I think that's the idea, and this will help to grow
16:57:41 <FranciscoD> +1
16:58:14 <FranciscoD> OK, I think that's a bit to go on already - we're out of time today, but i'll file the tickets and we can discuss the process and so on in coming meetings
16:58:31 <ankit01ojha> Ok :)
16:58:47 <FranciscoD> let's quickly do an open floor if anyone has anything else to discuss?
16:58:56 <FranciscoD> #topic open floor
16:59:57 <x3mboy> I think that our aim, inside the Fedora Project, live here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join
17:00:01 <x3mboy> Am I right?
17:00:24 <ankit01ojha> +1
17:01:03 <FranciscoD> x3mboy: our home is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Join_SIG
17:01:16 <FranciscoD> wiki/Join is the general "Join the fedora project" page
17:01:30 <FranciscoD> we do tinker with it, but not too much
17:01:36 <x3mboy> Ok
17:01:46 <x3mboy> Just for general Info
17:01:49 <x3mboy> Ok, I need to run
17:02:02 <FranciscoD> yeh - i'll close the meeting in a minute
17:02:05 <x3mboy> Thanks everybody, good meeting
17:02:09 <x3mboy> FranciscoD++
17:02:11 <FranciscoD> x3mboy: thanks for coming!
17:02:12 <x3mboy> ankit01ojha++
17:02:26 <x3mboy> Aw, no cookies
17:02:31 <x3mboy> Well, See you!
17:03:02 <FranciscoD> haha
17:03:05 <FranciscoD> no worries
17:03:10 <FranciscoD> I'm eating healthy nowadays anyway ;)
17:03:26 <FranciscoD> OK, unless anyone has anything to say, I'll end the meeting
17:03:29 <FranciscoD> we're right on time :)
17:04:28 <FranciscoD> Going in 5
17:04:30 <FranciscoD> 3.
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17:04:53 <FranciscoD> #endmeeting