#fedora-meeting-3: Fedora-Join October 10 2016

Meeting summary

1. rollcall (FranciscoD, 15:01:17)
   1. F25 Beta is GO, release on October 11, 2016 (TOMORROW!) (FranciscoD, 15:06:11)
   2. Static blog generators - Pelican (Python) is already in Fedora and now Jekyll (Ruby) will also be included (FranciscoD, 15:07:09)
   3. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Jekyll (FranciscoD, 15:07:16)
   4. Odoo (the world's easiest all in one management software) will also be included in Fedora (FranciscoD, 15:08:03)
   5. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Odoo (FranciscoD, 15:08:06)
   6. Discussion on devel list: "PROPOSAL: Blocking the release is our only "big hammer" -- let's add a softer one." (FranciscoD, 15:09:14)
   7. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/IGT4TGHJZK6442JM4VLBRSPCW6DKTUPI/ (FranciscoD, 15:09:18)
   
   
2. announcements (FranciscoD, 15:09:54)
   1. discussion over offline updates (again): "PSA: Do not run 'dnf update' inside GNOME, KDE or any other graphical desktop on Fedora 24" (FranciscoD, 15:10:31)
   2. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/7ULAG243UNGTOSL6URGNG23GC4B6X5GB/ (FranciscoD, 15:10:36)
   
   
3. Agenda (FranciscoD, 15:12:36)
   1. https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-3/2016-09-26/fedora_join_26_sept_2016.2016-09-26-15.02.log.html (FranciscoD, 15:13:45)
   2. Follow up discussion from last meeting over clarification of SIG's specific goals, targets, tasks (FranciscoD, 15:14:22)
   3. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fedora-join@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/WSO4B2YIJJQRQGG6SJMKSIEMWQGG7XJR/ (FranciscoD, 15:14:37)
   4. Fedora-Join general goal: "Make it easier for people to join the community and contribute" (FranciscoD, 15:15:22)
   5. Goal is *too* general - in the sense that this can entail a myriad of activities (FranciscoD, 15:15:39)
   6. For eg, CommOps working on streamlining onboarding process of different teams already (FranciscoD, 15:15:59)
   7. Our specific aim is given here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Join_SIG#Aim (FranciscoD, 15:16:55)
   8. "The Fedora Join SIG aims to set up and maintain channels that let prospective contributors engage with the community." (FranciscoD, 15:17:06)
   9. we want to be a general place where contributors and prospective contributors can hang out and each can benefit from the relationship (FranciscoD, 15:17:56)
   10. Hubs have an onboarding section (FranciscoD, 15:23:43)
   11. Hubs have a help widget that lists tasks people need help with (FranciscoD, 15:23:56)
   12. Hubs include workflow to enable people to create FAS and sign CLA etc (FranciscoD, 15:24:20)
   13. https://pagure.io/fedora-hubs/issue/raw/files/9998995815383a6f392ed567f0fe26966e76236030c1f5b510d79eaf20391d34-HelpWidgetFinal.png (FranciscoD, 15:26:08)
   14. usually, someone turns up, after some surfing picks a team to join up, introduces themselves to the team members, gets to know them, works, makes friends, maybe even finds a mentor in the team, maybe begins to help another team later and then makes friends there, and repeat. (FranciscoD, 15:28:20)
   15. someone turns up, finds us cool contributors hanging around here, speaks to us, makes friends, gets to know how the community works, our philosophy (and finds it awesome) and what teams we have, finds a mentor (community mentor as opposed to team specific mentor), picks one or more teams to work in, becomes a part of the community, not just a specific team in the community. (FranciscoD, 15:28:51)
   16. newbies are not limited to team specific relationships (FranciscoD, 15:29:49)
   17. newbies that join together can work together, even if they work in different teams (we're all always closer to our classmates than to seniors/juniors) (FranciscoD, 15:29:57)
   18. they get a much better overall idea of how the community functions and are exposed to the workflows of different teams through us (including tooling, admin, process, goals, tasks, ninjas) (FranciscoD, 15:30:08)
   19. they go on to develop into contributors that also have a good idea of how the multiple arms of the community work to keep Fedora going (FranciscoD, 15:30:17)
   20. AGREED: (+1:4, 0:0, -1:0) Fedora Join limit itself to forming and maintaining channels that let prospective contributors engage with the community. The Aims on the wiki page stand: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Join_SIG#Aim (FranciscoD, 15:44:47)
   
   
4. open floor (FranciscoD, 15:45:06)
   1. Point people with hybrid issues to updated spins: F24-20161001 updated lives available: http://tinyurl.com/Live-respins2 Thanks to the community of maintainers and seeders (FranciscoD, 15:46:30)
   2. ACTION: FranciscoD bug jflory7 for feedback on today's decision to confirm (FranciscoD, 15:47:13)
   3. ACTION: FranciscoD send out mails and summary (FranciscoD, 15:47:39)

Action items

1. FranciscoD bug jflory7 for feedback on today's decision to confirm
2. FranciscoD send out mails and summary

Action items, by person

1. FranciscoD
   1. FranciscoD bug jflory7 for feedback on today's decision to confirm
   2. FranciscoD send out mails and summary
2. jflory7
   1. FranciscoD bug jflory7 for feedback on today's decision to confirm

People present (lines said)

1. FranciscoD (165)
2. skamath (47)
3. mailga (12)
4. zodbot (11)
5. Southern_Gentlem (9)
6. jflory7 (0)