02:50:24 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2024-07-30)
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02:50:25 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation
02:50:25 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
02:50:25 <brainycmurf> #chair Neal
02:50:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: Neal brainycmurf
02:50:25 <brainycmurf> #info Present members: Allan, Jens, Tom, Chris, Mattias, Michael, Neal, Owen
02:50:25 <brainycmurf> #info Guests:
02:50:25 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets:
02:50:27 <brainycmurf> #info Missing:
02:50:29 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary:  Chris
02:50:31 <brainycmurf> #topic Please support org.freedesktop.locale1 keyboard configuration for Anaconda on Live environment
02:50:34 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/430
02:50:36 <brainycmurf> Michael: Problem is long standing, no clear way for Anaconda running under wayland to configure keyboard layout, they want to use localed instead of a desktop environment specific way. Anaconda developers are kinda stuck since GNOME doesn't use localed.
02:50:40 <brainycmurf> Mattias: Been a problem for a long time, the environment specific method works
02:50:42 <brainycmurf> Neal mentions how KDE solved this using an initial login hack. Discussion ensues about whether Workstation could do something similar.
02:50:45 <brainycmurf> #info Upstream issue report:
02:50:49 <brainycmurf> #link https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/7761
02:50:51 <brainycmurf> #info Some variation of this and the upstream issue exploration of a solution seems good.
02:50:53 <brainycmurf> #action Neal will update the issue
02:50:55 <brainycmurf> #topic Consider Ptyxis for the terminal app
02:50:57 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/417
02:50:59 <brainycmurf> Discussion on state, tradeoffs if we switch, and when we'd make the switch.
02:51:01 <brainycmurf> It would be called Terminal? How to distinguish? Idea is to call it Terminal not GNOME Terminal. Search keywording and what shows up, what's the name, will users recognize it?
02:51:04 <brainycmurf> Michael: Ptyxis defaults to system color, and there's an older issue in which we discussed a preference for dark theme? Should appearance be system or dark?
02:51:07 <brainycmurf> Allan: should be consistent with upstream rather than Fedora differing, but I'll ask the design team
02:51:10 <brainycmurf> Michael: Orca is not reading what's in Ptyxis
02:51:12 <brainycmurf> Mattias: It should
02:51:14 <brainycmurf> #agreed change is approved contingent on accessibility standard: the screen reader can read what's on the screen (basic support, not perfection)
02:51:19 <brainycmurf> Neal and Mattias prefer branded option
02:51:21 <brainycmurf> Michael and Allan prefer unbranded option
02:51:23 <brainycmurf> Broad discussion ensues on the higher level naming icon differentiation issues (not only this app), pros cons, potential for confusion either way in particular if both are installed
02:51:26 <brainycmurf> #!topic Announcements, follow-ups, status reports
02:51:28 <brainycmurf> Michael: GNOME Remote Desktop is still broken, future meeting discussion and also SELinux
02:51:30 <brainycmurf> Tom will help escalate
02:51:32 <brainycmurf> Allan: GNOME 47 beta due Saturday, still in-flight: screentime, battery charge limiting, new mechanism for generating recommended apps which needs packaging, and default UI font is still up in the air (Jens says it might be a bit late for GNOME 47, Allan notes the change is in GNOME OS); discussion ensues on GNOME UI Font (which is a variation on Inter)
02:51:37 <brainycmurf> Neal: branch in 3 weeks, package should be doable
02:51:39 <brainycmurf> Neal: when using gdm config settings disable wayland, will result in breakage, known issue for a year, would like to get it looked at for this release, shouldn't affect upgrades but could affect those who follow stale advice on the internet for new installations
02:51:43 <brainycmurf> Mattias will talk to Ray
02:51:45 <brainycmurf> Neal: Flock is next week, skip next two meetings
02:51:49 <brainycmurf> #topic Open Floor
02:51:51 <brainycmurf> #topic Minutes from last week
02:51:53 <brainycmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2024-07-10/workstation.2024-07-10-13.06.html
02:51:56 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting