02:51:59 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2023-09-19)
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02:51:59 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation
02:51:59 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
02:51:59 <brainycmurf> #chair Allan
02:51:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: Allan brainycmurf
02:51:59 <brainycmurf> #info Present members: Kalev, Chris, Michael, Allan, Tomas, Owen
02:51:59 <brainycmurf> #info Guests: jimmac
02:51:59 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets: Matthias, Jens
02:52:01 <brainycmurf> #info Missing:
02:52:03 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary: Chris
02:52:05 <brainycmurf> #topic F39 status
02:52:07 <brainycmurf> Key dates
02:52:09 <brainycmurf> * 19 September - beta to be released today
02:52:11 <brainycmurf> * 20 September- GNOME 45.0 release date
02:52:15 <brainycmurf> * 26 September - start tracking workstation release marketing (blog post, website screenshot updates)
02:52:18 <brainycmurf> * 4th October - Flatpak updates to start rolling out around this date
02:52:20 <brainycmurf> * 17 October - early release target
02:52:22 <brainycmurf> Outstanding tasks:
02:52:24 <brainycmurf> #info Allan reports magazine article is in progress
02:52:26 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/394
02:52:28 <brainycmurf> * Screenshots for the website - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/396
02:52:30 <brainycmurf> #topic Final blockers
02:52:32 <brainycmurf> #link https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/39/final/buglist
02:52:34 <brainycmurf> - Calendar has a fix on the way
02:52:36 <brainycmurf> - Shim issue discussed last week
02:52:38 <brainycmurf> #info Few issues of concern in freeze exceptions discussed
02:52:40 <brainycmurf> - Disks, Kalev points out it's likely gnome-settings-daemon and needs reassigning
02:52:44 <brainycmurf> - mutter FE, will discuss next topic on fractional scaling
02:52:46 <brainycmurf> #topic Fractional scaling
02:52:48 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/357
02:52:50 <brainycmurf> Kalev, can we add the strings to GNOME?
02:52:52 <brainycmurf> Allan, can we get 45.1 into GA?
02:52:54 <brainycmurf> Michael, probably not something we can rely on as a timely fix
02:52:56 <brainycmurf> Kalev, could we backport translations into F39 from GNOME 46 unstable?
02:52:58 <brainycmurf> Neal, blurriness doesn't seem as a very significant issue to cause dropping the change, but it needs to get fixed
02:53:01 <brainycmurf> Allan, is uncertain about the current design and is hoping to revisit it before landing any UI changes - so a fix early in the GNOME 46 cycle that could be backported might not be practical
02:53:04 <brainycmurf> Michael & Allan discuss Ubuntu's way of presenting fractional scaling; Kalev, could we do something similar?
02:53:07 <brainycmurf> Allan, why is a compatibility switch or a fractional scaling switch needed when the scale factor is set to an integer? From a user perspective these controls are superflous.
02:53:10 <brainycmurf> #info Michael, proposes to not add the gnome-control-center compatibility switch and keep fractional scaling enabled, and to further discuss the UI for GNOME 46
02:53:15 <brainycmurf> Allan, we still have time to revert change and discuss next week if necessary; any objections to leave fractional scaling on?
02:53:18 <brainycmurf> One objection, Kalev wants to support Jonas' position on this issue
02:53:20 <brainycmurf> #action We will discuss this next week and invite Jonas
02:53:22 <brainycmurf> #topic Status indicators
02:53:24 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/246
02:53:26 <brainycmurf> #info Michael provides an update. It will happen eventually but not any time soon unless there's help or a hackfest.
02:53:29 <brainycmurf> The main challenge is getting focused time from the main stakeholders, without background noise that has been a distraction in the issue tracker.
02:53:32 <brainycmurf> An in-person or virtual hackfest with representatives from GNOME, KDE and Budgie is likley the best way forward.
02:53:35 <brainycmurf> It would help to have someone who could help coordinate this initiative. Michael already has too many commitments.
02:53:38 <brainycmurf> Potential venues for a hackfest: FOSDEM would be a good opportunity to get stakeholders together. The Red Hat office in Brno is another option.
02:53:41 <brainycmurf> #action Tomas will investigate travel funding opportunities for a hackfest
02:53:45 <brainycmurf> #action We will discuss this issue again in 1 month
02:53:47 <brainycmurf> #topic Announcements and status updates
02:53:49 <brainycmurf> #info Kalev package building update, about ready to submit 45.0 to bodhi possibly tomorrow
02:53:51 <brainycmurf> The minutes from last week have been posted.
02:53:53 <brainycmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-09-15/workstation.2023-09-15-04.31.log.html
02:53:56 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting