23:56:59 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2022-02-08)
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23:56:59 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation
23:56:59 <brainycmurf> #chair Allan
23:56:59 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
23:56:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: Allan brainycmurf
23:57:12 <brainycmurf> #info Present members: Chris, Matthias, Michael, Neal, Owen, Tomas, Jens, Allan
23:57:12 <brainycmurf> #info Present guests: Sally
23:57:12 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets:
23:57:12 <brainycmurf> #info Missing:
23:57:12 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary: Jens
23:57:13 <brainycmurf> #topic Outstanding pending actions, leftover from last week
23:57:15 <brainycmurf> #info 2m shutdown timer is too long
23:57:17 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/163 (Matthias)
23:57:19 <brainycmurf> #topic Fedora PRD
23:57:23 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/262
23:57:25 <brainycmurf> Still being worked on.
23:57:27 <brainycmurf> Neal added some more details.
23:57:29 <brainycmurf> #topic Orchestration API
23:57:31 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/268
23:57:33 <brainycmurf> Neal: reporting and compliance settings for desktop deployments
23:57:35 <brainycmurf> https://osquery.io/
23:57:37 <brainycmurf> Owen: needs some project around it - Could Cockpit help? Ansible?
23:57:39 <brainycmurf> Sally: Maybe IoT needs something similar API also
23:57:41 <brainycmurf> AIs: Packaging osquery and can ask Microsoft about their agent
23:57:43 <brainycmurf> #topic Ship preinstalled apps as Flatpaks
23:57:45 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/269
23:57:47 <brainycmurf> Owen: flatpak updates have the advantage of not needing to reboot
23:57:49 <brainycmurf> Anaconda doesn't support pre-installing yet.
23:57:53 <brainycmurf> How to handle Runtimes? Size concerns
23:57:55 <brainycmurf> Tomas: Kalev used to rebase the flatpaks following Fedora releases, etc.
23:57:57 <brainycmurf> So users on an old version of Fedora get the app versions from the new version.
23:57:59 <brainycmurf> How to handle the case where an app needs a new portal?
23:58:01 <brainycmurf> Which apps probably won't work as Flatpaks - need to decide which ones.
23:58:03 <brainycmurf> Owen: can review the Gnome apps availability etc to assess how close we might be to making it possible
23:58:06 <brainycmurf> Neal: from periodic flatpak testing, the UX consistency doesn't seem to be fully there yet
23:58:08 <brainycmurf> Owen: as one moves from the center of gravity, experience might degrade: for example flathub apps and other DE's, but polish is important: here we are only concerned with default Fedora apps
23:58:11 <brainycmurf> Can talk to Anaconda when ready to add for their roadmap.
23:58:13 <brainycmurf> #topic Announcements, status updates
23:58:15 <brainycmurf> #info F36 branching is today!
23:58:17 <brainycmurf> #info The minutes from last week have been posted online.
23:58:19 <brainycmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-02-01/workstation.2022-02-01-21.06.log.html
23:58:52 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting