00:32:26 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2022-01-11)
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00:32:26 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation
00:32:26 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
00:32:26 <brainycmurf> #chair Allan
00:32:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: Allan brainycmurf
00:32:37 <brainycmurf> #info Present members: Allan Day, Matthias Clasen, tpopela, Neal, Michael, Jens, Owen
00:32:38 <brainycmurf> #info Present guests:Luna Jernberg (bittin)
00:32:38 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets: Owen (joining for a little while today)
00:32:38 <brainycmurf> #info Missing: Kalev
00:32:38 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary: mclasen
00:32:38 <brainycmurf> #topic System-wide change proposal deadline coming up
00:32:40 <brainycmurf> Are we missing any change proposals?
00:32:42 <brainycmurf> Proposals we have:
00:32:44 <brainycmurf> - Noto font change (proposed by the i18n team)
00:32:46 <brainycmurf> - hunspell directory change (proposed by the i18n team)
00:32:48 <brainycmurf> Proposals we don't have yet:
00:32:50 <brainycmurf> - moving the rpmdb (proposed by neal, step towards system rollback) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RelocateRPMToUsr
00:32:53 <brainycmurf> No missing system-wide changes were identified.
00:32:55 <brainycmurf> #topic Update the Workstation PRD
00:32:57 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/262
00:33:01 <brainycmurf> Please go ahead and make edits and additions. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qqidnMemWgDxJtJpyCaV1NkKRV883G8GHAh4rES9QtI/edit#
00:33:04 <brainycmurf> We want to have this document in complete draft form by January 28.
00:33:06 <brainycmurf> #topic gnome-terminal -> gnome-console
00:33:08 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/261
00:33:10 <brainycmurf> Owen has expressed some reservations... we spent some time rehashing the concerns.
00:33:12 <brainycmurf> Next steps:
00:33:14 <brainycmurf> - package it for f35
00:33:16 <brainycmurf> - file upstream issues for things we consider must-haves
00:33:18 <brainycmurf> - bring gnome-console into Fedora without doing the switch, do some publicity, ask for feedback
00:33:21 <brainycmurf> - explain why we think profiles are not a good thing, UX-wise, and what gnome-console solves without them (ssh, root)
00:33:24 <brainycmurf> - push upstream for toolbox integration (that could be a compelling feature)
00:33:26 <brainycmurf> #topic Appindicator extension
00:33:30 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/246
00:33:32 <brainycmurf> Allan has had contacts with Canonical folks, who would be happy to pick up some of the UI polish items.
00:33:35 <brainycmurf> Neal wants to have app indicator support in F36, one way or the other.
00:33:37 <brainycmurf> Owen suggests that we need to have a plan for upstream at least, before going down the extension route.
00:33:40 <brainycmurf> The KDE spec has problems that make it incompatible with sandboxing. See for some analysis: https://blog.tingping.se/2019/09/07/how-to-design-a-modern-status-icon.html
00:33:43 <brainycmurf> Michael suggests that we need a working group that comes up with a plan.
00:33:45 <brainycmurf> Volunteers: Matthias, (volunteering Florian, Patrick) (Neal will invite some KDE folks)
00:33:47 <brainycmurf> Invite some Canonical folks? Matthias will set this up (filing an issue, sending invitations).
00:33:49 <brainycmurf> We also need some design guidance for acceptable UX. Possibilities include settings for turning it off or doing per-application filtering.
00:33:52 <brainycmurf> #topic PyCharm's official third-party repo doesn't have any appstream metadata, can't be found in gnome-software
00:33:55 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/254
00:33:57 <brainycmurf> deferred until next week
00:34:01 <brainycmurf> #topic Announcements, status updates
00:34:03 <brainycmurf> #info GNOME 42 UI freeze coming up - 12 Feb (1 month and a day from now)
00:34:05 <brainycmurf> #info Next week we'll be discussing workstation membership - candidate suggestions would be welcome.
00:34:08 <brainycmurf> #info discussion.fedoraproject.org has been reorganised. Workstation is now a tag - https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/tag/workstation owned by tpopela, see https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/call-for-team-tag-owners/35590
00:34:12 <brainycmurf> #info [tpopela] "Workstation Working Group at Fedora Council Video Meeting" from Spot
00:34:14 <brainycmurf> """
00:34:16 <brainycmurf> The Fedora Council would like to invite your Group to present at an upcoming Fedora Council video meeting. If you're interested, what we'd be looking for from you is:
00:34:19 <brainycmurf> Someone to present (on camera in a virtual meeting room) a 10-15 minute presentation (with slides) on the state of your Group (past, present, future) along with any calls to action that you might have.
00:34:22 <brainycmurf> Stick around for 15+ minutes for Q&A discussion
00:34:24 <brainycmurf> """
00:34:26 <brainycmurf> #info The minutes from last three weeks have been posted online.
00:34:30 <brainycmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-12-22/workstation.2021-12-22-02.53.log.html
00:34:33 <brainycmurf> #info Developments afoot in Anaconda
00:34:35 <brainycmurf> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/anaconda-is-getting-a-new-suit/
00:45:35 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting