05:07:15 <cmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2021-03-30) 05:07:15 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Mar 31 05:07:15 2021 UTC. 05:07:15 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 05:07:15 <zodbot> The chair is cmurf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 05:07:15 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 05:07:15 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg_(2021-03-30)' 05:07:16 <cmurf> #meetingname workstation 05:07:16 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation' 05:07:18 <cmurf> #chair mcatanzaro 05:07:18 <zodbot> Current chairs: cmurf mcatanzaro 05:07:35 <cmurf> #topic Rollcall 05:07:36 <cmurf> #info present: Allan, Chris, Tomas, Michael, Jens, Neal, Kalev, Matthias 05:07:38 <cmurf> #info regrets: Owen, Langdon, 05:07:40 <cmurf> #info present guests: 05:07:42 <cmurf> #topic Approval of Mar 23 minutes 05:07:44 <cmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-03-24/workstation.2021-03-24-02.15.log.html 05:07:46 <cmurf> #agreed no objections 05:07:48 <cmurf> #topic Announcements, follow-ups, status reports 05:07:50 <cmurf> Kalev: final freeze starts next week. Possible that things get delayed due to grub issues, might also push the freeze out. 05:07:52 <cmurf> Kalev: has been working on rebuilding Fedora flatpaks. 05:07:54 <cmurf> Matthias: we have incremental updates for Fedora flatpaks now. 05:07:56 <cmurf> #topic Consider limiting the journal in size 05:07:58 <cmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/213 05:08:00 <cmurf> #info devel list thread 05:08:02 <cmurf> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/4ATNDIJGIFGCP6FKVJD72KTFT7ZFRNDY/#5XTIFVTXY7MQ5ZY35BNV6JJ4ELIUOEUH 05:08:04 <cmurf> Matthias doesn't remember filing the ticket, Chris says it came up on the devel list. 05:08:06 <cmurf> Some concerns around data retention. Chris mentions that there are configurations that produce a lot of logs. Our default configuration seems to provide room for roughly a year worth of logs in normal circumstances. Time-based limits are available. We could set a limit like 1 month, 3 months, 6 months. 05:08:08 <cmurf> Tomas asks if time and size limits can be combined. Chris doesn't know the answer. 05:08:10 <cmurf> Tomas brings up the topic of getting data for GNOME Software improvement by turning on verbose logging for a while in rawhide/F35. This would need size limits. 05:08:12 <cmurf> Suggestions: make the time limit match the Fedora lifetime, 13 months. 05:08:14 <cmurf> Alternative suggestion: 12 months. 05:08:16 <cmurf> Chris notes that MaxRetentionSec= "controls whether journal files containing entries older than the specified time span are deleted". A deleted journal file could contain two or three weeks of entries. 05:08:18 <cmurf> #action: Chris will revive the devel discussion(s), revisit later 05:08:20 <cmurf> #topic Include Fedora Media Writer in the default install 05:08:22 <cmurf> Tomas says it comes in frequently in handy for him, so would be in favor. Neal wants it too. 05:08:24 <cmurf> Allan says it has a lot of UI issues, and is not getting a lot of love. 05:08:26 <cmurf> Neal says a rewrite in qt6 is planned and could include a UI refresh. Neal points out it is the one obvious way to create a recovery disk. 05:08:28 <cmurf> Tomas says it uses qgnomeplatform, which is getting improved. 05:08:30 <cmurf> Neal is working on porting it to cmake first, before looking at qt6. 05:08:32 <cmurf> Allan is concerned about quality issues with the separate themes (gtk and qt). 05:08:34 <cmurf> Tomas points out that the qgnomeplatform effort was started to make qt apps first-class citizens on the 05:08:36 <cmurf> GNOME desktop. 05:08:38 <cmurf> The media writer is actually forcing Adwaita to look the same (and reasonable, if foreign) on all platforms. Qt6 may change this a bit, with a better macos theme. 05:08:40 <cmurf> There seems to be a (soft) agreement to include it, with Neal and Matthias in favor, everybody else neutral. 05:08:42 <cmurf> #action wait for improvements in F35, further discussion next week 05:09:19 <cmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/214 05:09:38 <cmurf> #endmeeting