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01:42:18 <cmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2020-09-22)
01:42:18 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 24 01:42:18 2020 UTC.
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01:42:18 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg_(2020-09-22)'
01:42:20 <cmurf> #meetingname workstation
01:42:20 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
01:42:22 <cmurf> #chair cmurf
01:42:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: cmurf
01:42:42 <cmurf> #topic Rollcall
01:42:44 <cmurf> #info present: cmurf, mcatanzaro, mclasen, aday, jens, kalev, langdon, tpopela, neal
01:42:46 <cmurf> #info regrets wg members:
01:42:48 <cmurf> #info present guests: james, felipe
01:42:50 <cmurf> #topic Approve 15 Sep minutes
01:42:52 <cmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-09-16-03.03.log.html
01:42:54 <cmurf> #agreed Approved - no objections
01:42:56 <cmurf> #topic Announcements
01:42:58 <cmurf> Michael: the systemd-resolved bugs are under control now
01:43:00 <cmurf> Allan: a GNOME user survey is being planned; input welcome
01:43:02 <cmurf> #info Langdon: devconf.us is happening 24-25 September; it's free, come!
01:43:04 <cmurf> #link https://www.devconf.info/us/
01:43:06 <cmurf> #topic Follow-ups  & Status reports
01:43:08 <cmurf> #info gnome-initial-setup Google online account issue is now fixed
01:43:10 <cmurf> #topic Specify "basic" functionality for default Workstation applications
01:43:12 <cmurf> #info https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/189
01:43:14 <cmurf> The background to this is a regression in Sushi
01:43:16 <cmurf> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1880752
01:43:18 <cmurf> #link https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/sushi/-/issues/44
01:43:20 <cmurf> It's a blocker for final release, not beta. Should it be a blocker?
01:43:22 <cmurf> It's just the quick preview feature, and not one that's widely used.
01:43:24 <cmurf> Michael is -1 for the above reason - it's non-discoverable
01:43:26 <cmurf> Owen: we can fix it in an update, if necessary; it's not going to stop someone using Fedora - not a critical path
01:43:28 <cmurf> #agreed The Sushi issue doesn't need to be a blocker
01:43:30 <cmurf> #action Chris to forward the decision to QA
01:43:32 <cmurf> Chris: the release criterion for core apps is very fairly general - "a basic functionality test", means that it should do its essential expected functionality.
01:43:34 <cmurf> Also - it needs to pass the "last blocker smell test". Would you delay the release for this one issue?
01:43:36 <cmurf> Michael: we can't enumerate the basic functionality of the core apps - we should close #189.
01:43:38 <cmurf> Neal: we should ask for a freeze exception in case we get a fix before release.
01:43:40 <cmurf> #topic Firefox 78 in Fedora 33 beta?
01:43:42 <cmurf> Tomas: we don't have a successful Firefox build for F33 for some time; will be shipping the Firefox 79 beta. Are we fine shipping a beta for something so critical as a browser? The newer Firefox build is blocking on an NSS issue? The Firefox update should be tied to the NSS update rather than waiting on it. As a result, we're waiting on the update in order to start building 81.
01:43:44 <cmurf> Tomas: are we fine with shipping an outdated browser? Chris & Neal: not really. Neal: we can recompose the media to include the updated Firefox. Chris: but then QA needs to run through tests.
01:43:46 <cmurf> Neal: if Firefox 78 is in the F33 repo, people will get downgraded on upgrade, and Firefox profiles aren't backwards compatible.
01:43:48 <cmurf> #info Tomáš filed a bug
01:43:50 <cmurf> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1881495
01:43:52 <cmurf> #topic ABRT is broken
01:43:54 <cmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/156#comment-687524
01:43:56 <cmurf> It's been broken for a while.
01:43:58 <cmurf> Neal: why haven't we redirected to a dummy retrace server, to fix local tracing? Chris: that's a Kevin question.
01:44:00 <cmurf> Chris: this was accepted as a beta blocker, but the ABRT bugs aren't getting traction. It's starting to look like it won't pass the smell test.
01:44:02 <cmurf> Michael: either ABRT needs to work or it needs to go.
01:44:04 <cmurf> Neal: doesn't want ABRT removed, would like to see it fixed. We need ABRT to be working. Michael: it does provide some valuable data.
01:44:06 <cmurf> Matthias: we haven't really exploited what ABRT provides; even fixing client-side reporting won't really improve things without us taking further steps to use that data.
01:44:08 <cmurf> Michael: the reason we haven't exploited the data is that the server is missing features to make the data useful.
01:44:10 <cmurf> Allan: seems like the real issue is the general state of the ABRT project.
01:44:12 <cmurf> Unclear how to proceed.
01:44:14 <cmurf> #topic GNOME Software is recommending proprietary software
01:44:16 <cmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/111
01:44:18 <cmurf> #agreed Deferred.
01:44:20 <cmurf> #topic Open Floor
01:44:22 <cmurf> Matthias: in GNOME 3.38 we have parental controls; do we want to enable that?
01:44:24 <cmurf> Neal: yes, it's a GNOME 3.38 main feature
01:44:26 <cmurf> Allan: are there any cons to enabling it?
01:44:28 <cmurf> Allan: would like to be able to test and see the UI before we commit to it.
01:45:17 <cmurf> #endmeeting