13:00:50 <mclasen> #startmeeting FAW SIG
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13:01:08 <mclasen> #topic Roll call
13:01:42 <mclasen> might be low turnout today, since we are in super-long-weekend territory
13:01:44 * jsmith lurks
13:01:47 <jlebon> .hello jlebon
13:01:48 <zodbot> jlebon: jlebon 'None' <jonathan@jlebon.com>
13:01:54 <miabbott> .hello miabbott
13:01:55 <zodbot> miabbott: miabbott 'Micah Abbott' <miabbott@redhat.com>
13:02:01 <jlebon> wheee for once i didn't miss it!
13:03:24 <mclasen> lets see if we can find a few more people
13:04:01 <mclasen> owen is moving, sanja is busy. that leaves kalev, who I don't see on irc right now
13:05:13 <mclasen> ok, so lets see what we can do today
13:05:46 <mclasen> there's two tickets tagged for meeting. any other topics to add to the agenda ?
13:07:03 <mclasen> doesn't look like it, so lets roll with we have
13:07:36 <dustymabe> .hello2
13:07:37 <zodbot> dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' <dusty@dustymabe.com>
13:07:43 <mclasen> #topic Make Atomic Workstation available on getfedora.org https://pagure.io/fedora-atomic-workstation/issue/13
13:07:57 <mclasen> this one is just informational, I think
13:08:20 <dustymabe> +1
13:08:26 <mclasen> I did create a mockup for this a while ago, and supposedly that has been merged into the website
13:08:33 <jlebon> nice!
13:08:36 <mclasen> I've checked a few times, but it is not live yet
13:08:44 <miabbott> 👍
13:09:08 <mclasen> I assume it'll get switched out at release time, so no way to see in advance...
13:09:25 <mclasen> but I will check tomorrow and close the ticket then
13:09:56 <mclasen> #action Matthias will close the ticket when FAW appears on getfedora.org
13:10:49 <mclasen> moving on to the next topic
13:11:08 <mclasen> #topic rebrand atomic workstation https://pagure.io/fedora-atomic-workstation/issue/19
13:11:28 <mclasen> I filed this to follow up on the naming discussion from last time
13:11:52 <mclasen> so, it is mainly informational as well
13:12:39 <dustymabe> mclasen: +1
13:12:55 <mclasen> after the brainstorming last time, sanja and I spent more time sorting through lots of candidates, checking for twitter+domain availability
13:12:58 * dustymabe still likes Atomic Workstation :) - but onwards and upwards
13:13:11 <miabbott> atomic is dead; long live atomic
13:13:24 <mclasen> there's a spreadsheet with a long list of candidates, if anybody is interested in it
13:13:37 <jlebon> mclasen: i am!
13:13:53 <mclasen> in the end, we settled on a single candidate that we are going forward with now
13:14:22 <mclasen> and... drumroll... it is 'Silverblue', or 'Team Silverblue'
13:14:52 <miabbott> 🎉
13:15:54 <mclasen> we've done quite a bit of groundwork on this already, including legal vetting, obtaining twitter / domain / github, starting a website,..
13:16:01 <jlebon> ahh cool! didn't realize it was already settled
13:16:22 <mclasen> let me put some links here, for reference
13:16:39 <mclasen> #link https://github.com/teamsilverblue/
13:16:57 <mclasen> #link https://twitter.com/teamsilverblue
13:17:12 <mclasen> #link http://www.teamsilverblue.org/
13:17:54 <miabbott> there will be a bigger, splashier announcement to the public, correct?
13:18:03 <mclasen> yes, sure
13:18:54 <mclasen> the next step is to take this to the fedora council
13:19:11 <mclasen> and get the website looking reasonable
13:19:18 <mclasen> then we can do a more public announcement
13:19:52 <miabbott> congrats on the new name and the bright future ahead!
13:20:16 <mclasen> we have a document to send to the fedora council - should appear on the council mailing list very soon
13:20:32 <jlebon> indeed, congratulations!
13:20:49 <mclasen> so, I talked a lot. comments and feedback welcome
13:21:13 <jlebon> so, what would be examples of repos stored under the teamsilverblue github namespace?
13:21:28 <mclasen> #info Sanja and Matthias will take this to the Fedora Council, as the next step
13:22:11 <mclasen> for now, just the website and docs that we might produce. But we could also host the pet container tool there, when we get around to writing it
13:24:11 <jlebon> gotcha
13:24:49 <mclasen> jebon: I shared the name spreadsheet with you
13:25:44 <jlebon> how (not) separate is this from Fedora itself? is this mostly just about renaming "Fedora Atomic Workstation" to "Fedora Silverblue"?
13:26:36 <mclasen> this is not separate from Fedora at all, anymore, at this point. It is an initiative within Fedora
13:27:17 <dustymabe> it would be better if Fedora accompanied the name in most official wording cases
13:27:22 <dustymabe> Fedora Silverblue
13:27:35 <dustymabe> but in casual conversations it's just "Silverblue"
13:27:38 <jlebon> understood
13:27:51 <mclasen> I guess time will tell how that plays out, but the mission statement that we have put in the document fro the council is to go the last mile for making FAW feature-parity with the regular workstation and have it be the preferred variation by F30
13:27:54 <dustymabe> so the website would be fedorasilverblue.org
13:28:18 <dustymabe> whoa, that's interesting
13:29:12 <mclasen> I mean, we should have some ambitious goals, otherwise, why do it...
13:29:29 <miabbott> the other side of the coin is that we can interest non-Fedora folks in getting involved in this project if 'Fedora' is not part of the name
13:29:38 <dustymabe> sure, we are definitely targeting Fedora's largest user base here
13:29:54 <dustymabe> so that's why it seemed interesting
13:29:58 <dustymabe> i think it's a good thing
13:30:05 <mclasen> the way we currently think about the naming is that teamsilverblue is the name for the project of doing this polish work, and when we get to flip the switch to make it the preferred variant, we can evaluate renaming it to Fedora Silverblue
13:30:08 <dustymabe> there are definitely some gaps to be closed, but let's do it
13:30:27 <mclasen> or something else
13:30:42 <dustymabe> ehh, would mostly be better if it started as Fedora Silverblue, not really easy to change things later IMHO
13:30:47 * miabbott cringes at the thought of coming up with a 'something else' name
13:30:55 <mclasen> and yes, opening this up to non-Fedora users was certainly a motivation in this, from the beginning
13:31:06 <mclasen> which is why the 'outside of fedora' option was in play in the first place
13:31:10 <dustymabe> and believe me, it's much easier to make things happen in Fedora if the project you are working on has "Fedora" in the name
13:31:53 <mclasen> spoken as a true Project Atomic member :-/
13:31:59 <dustymabe> non-Fedora, like other distributions?
13:32:25 <mclasen> non-Fedora as in people who would not currently consider installing Fedora Workstation, for whatever reasons
13:34:49 <dustymabe> k, as in a user audience
13:35:00 <mclasen> yes, exactly
13:37:04 <mclasen> all of this of course is also somewhat entangled with future developments on the atomic and coreos side
13:38:00 <mclasen> but we figured it is better to move ahead and adapt than to wait forever
13:40:36 <mclasen> alright, if there is no further comments on this topic for now, I guess we can move to open floor
13:40:40 <mclasen> #topic Open floor
13:41:07 <mclasen> anything to bring up ?
13:42:04 <mclasen> just one observation from me: tomorrow is release day - I have no idea if this has any practical effect on atomic deliverables, other than having an installer .iso for it
13:43:48 <mclasen> dustymabe: ^ ?
13:45:45 <jlebon> mclasen: bunch of us are in standup now
13:46:02 <mclasen> alright then. time to close this one
13:46:42 <mclasen> one other observation though: i'll be traveling in two weeks, so somebody else will have to chair the meeting
13:46:59 <mclasen> we can sort it out on the list
13:47:14 <mclasen> #info Matthias will not be around for the next meeting in 2 weeks
13:47:30 <mclasen> with that,
13:47:34 <mclasen> #endmeeting