14:08:55 <alexove> #startmeeting Fedora Ambassadors Latam meeting 2018-04-27 14:08:55 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Apr 27 14:08:55 2018 UTC. The chair is alexove. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:08:55 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:08:55 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_ambassadors_latam_meeting_2018-04-27' 14:09:04 <alexove> #meetingname fedora-latam 14:09:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-latam' 14:09:22 <alexove> #topic 14:09:30 <alexove> #topic Rollcall 14:09:40 <alexove> .fas alexove 14:09:40 <zodbot> alexove: alexove 'Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis' <alleinerwolf@gmail.com> 14:09:43 * alexove = Peru 14:09:56 <yn1v[m]> .fas yn1v 14:10:00 <zodbot> yn1v[m]: yn1v 'Neville A. Cross' <yn1v@taygon.com> 14:10:01 * yn1v[m] Nicaragua 14:10:03 <danniel> .fas danniel 14:10:03 <zodbot> danniel: danni 'danniele' <jordon@openmailbox.org> - kuroneko02 'Danniel Justavino' <justavinod@hotmail.com> - danniel 'Daniel Lara Souza' <daniellarasouza@yahoo.com.br> 14:10:12 <srkraken> .fas srkraken 14:10:13 <zodbot> srkraken: srkraken 'Efren Antonio Robledo Moreno' <efren.a.rm@gmail.com> 14:10:22 <bt0> .fas bt0dotninja 14:10:22 <zodbot> bt0: bt0dotninja 'Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez' <hotgalan@gmail.com> 14:10:30 * bt0 from Mexico 14:11:06 * srkraken from México 14:11:41 <alexove> #chair yn1v[m] 14:11:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: alexove yn1v[m] 14:12:45 <alexove> please wait a little longer for more people to arrive 14:16:24 <alexove> #topic Announcements 14:16:34 <alexove> Any announcements? 14:16:56 <bt0> fedora 28 go? 14:17:40 <alexove> I do not know of any meeting with that subject 14:17:52 <alexove> someone knows? 14:18:27 <yn1v[m]> yes, it has been announced that fedora 28 is a GO 14:19:12 <alexove> thanks yn1v[m] 14:19:16 <bt0> #info Image Fedora_28_RC_1.1 is market as GOLD, Fedora 28 is a GO 14:19:48 <bt0> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2018-04-26/f28-final-go-no-go-meeting.2018-04-26-17.02.html 14:20:32 <bt0> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_28_RC_1.1_Desktop 14:20:54 <bt0> <eof> 14:21:16 <alexove> #chair bt0 14:21:16 <zodbot> Current chairs: alexove bt0 yn1v[m] 14:21:37 <alexove> Any other announcement? 14:22:51 <alexove> #topic Actions items from previous meetings 14:23:15 <alexove> Are there any pending issue from last meeting? 14:24:01 <alexove> #topic Agenda review 14:24:09 <alexove> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issues?status=Open&tags=Meeting 14:24:39 <alexove> No hay ningún ticket etiquetado como "reunión" 14:24:45 <alexove> There aren't any ticket tagged as "meeting" 14:24:53 <alexove> #info There aren't any ticket tagged as "meeting" 14:25:02 <alexove> #topic Openfloor 14:25:27 <alexove> any comments? 14:25:35 <bt0> yeah 14:25:52 <alexove> bt0 please 14:25:59 <alexove> go ahead 14:26:20 <bt0> Tomorrow is the Flisol 2018 (main date) 14:27:36 <bt0> Will be great if our presentations or/and workshops include references to the current objectives of the fedora project 14:27:45 <bt0> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/fedora-project/project/objectives.html 14:28:12 <itamarjp> danniel is asking for flisol badges 14:28:17 <bt0> IoT, Modularity, CICD 14:28:19 <itamarjp> for speakers and attendes 14:28:37 <chinosoliard> hi there! Sorry, I'm late 14:28:39 <chinosoliard> .fas chinosoliard 14:28:39 <zodbot> chinosoliard: asoliard 'Soliard, Adrian D.' <me@chinosoliard.com> 14:28:41 * chinosoliard from Argentina 14:28:44 <bt0> the badges are important too :P 14:29:03 <bt0> hi itamarjp, chinosoliard 14:29:11 <chinosoliard> willamjmorenor is not present? I remember you yesterday about badges, he allways drive that 14:29:19 <acgissues> .fas acastillogordon 14:29:20 <zodbot> acgissues: acastillogordon '' <acg@albertocg.com> 14:29:28 <alexove> #chair itamarjp 14:29:28 <zodbot> Current chairs: alexove bt0 itamarjp yn1v[m] 14:29:29 <bt0> <oef> btw 14:29:38 <alexove> #chair chinosoliard 14:29:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: alexove bt0 chinosoliard itamarjp yn1v[m] 14:29:40 <bt0> <eof> 14:29:49 <alexove> bt0++ 14:29:49 <zodbot> alexove: Karma for bt0dotninja changed to 18 (for the f27 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:29:53 <chinosoliard> what's the topic right now? 14:29:59 <alexove> good link, thanks :-) 14:30:08 <alexove> Openfloor 14:30:17 <srkraken> bt0++ 14:30:17 <zodbot> srkraken: Karma for bt0dotninja changed to 19 (for the f27 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:30:17 <chinosoliard> mmm, no ticket? 14:30:22 <chinosoliard> *issue 14:31:17 <chinosoliard> I commented and updated mine yesterday 14:32:16 <alexove> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issues?status=Open&tags=Meeting 14:32:45 <chinosoliard> yeah, that was my doubt, and nobody answer yesterday 14:32:50 <alexove> There aren't any ticket tagged as "meeting" 14:33:49 <chinosoliard> my issue has "fix" tag (It didn't have wiki page), williamjmorenor changed it to "discuss" (this is for discussing on pagure), I don't know why 14:34:11 <chinosoliard> and I fixed yesterday, and asked vía IRC (so, telegram to), what to do... 14:34:14 <chinosoliard> nobody answer 14:34:50 <chinosoliard> so... https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/451 14:34:57 <chinosoliard> it has "discuss" ta 14:34:57 <alexove> chinosoliard: Can you write the URL of your wiki page? 14:34:59 <chinosoliard> *tag 14:35:02 <x3mboy> .hello2 14:35:06 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com> 14:35:13 <alexove> #chair x3mboy 14:35:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: alexove bt0 chinosoliard itamarjp x3mboy yn1v[m] 14:35:14 <chinosoliard> alexove, it's on the ticket 14:35:14 <x3mboy> Sorry, I just come from home 14:35:23 <chinosoliard> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events/Latam/FLISOL/2018/Argentina/Curuz%C3%BACuati%C3%A1 <- alexove 14:36:50 <alexove> guys, we have quorum now, Can We vote this ticket right now? 14:37:03 <chinosoliard> alexove, the ticket is approved 14:37:17 <x3mboy> bt0, my presentation is about modularity 14:37:25 <bt0> awesome 14:37:59 <alexove> Ok, sorry chinosoliard 14:38:03 <chinosoliard> **note:** I bought Paraná-CuruzúCuatiá ticket last night, and it cost half price... (advantages of being a chronic student :-P) 14:38:09 <alexove> So, we can change the tag 14:38:16 <x3mboy> +1 14:38:32 <x3mboy> Also, chinosoliard's ticket is approved waiting only for the wiki 14:38:46 <chinosoliard> alexove, it's OK... the main situation is that we don't specifies what to do in a situation like mine /cc: x3mboy, bt0 14:38:47 <alexove> I updated the tag :-) 14:38:55 <chinosoliard> alexove, thanks! 14:39:05 <x3mboy> Cool 14:39:18 <alexove> any other comment? 14:39:25 <chinosoliard> x3mboy, alexove, bt0: let's be clear with this: 14:39:51 <chinosoliard> if a ticket is with "fix" tag, **nobody** except issue owner can touch the issue, OK? 14:40:17 <chinosoliard> I'm telling this, because williamjmorenor changed the tag from "fix" to "discuss", and it was unnecessary 14:40:28 <chinosoliard> do you agree with that? 14:40:36 <x3mboy> +1 14:40:41 <alexove> +1 14:40:44 <bt0> +1 14:40:50 <x3mboy> There is a reason behind the "fix" 14:40:58 <alexove> I think we should write these rules on some wiki page 14:41:00 <x3mboy> So, why other should modify it? 14:41:02 <chinosoliard> **nobody** except that ticket were orphan, or something like that 14:41:22 <alexove> nothing is perfect, but everything can be improved 14:41:38 <chinosoliard> alexove, yes, we should, but also is common sense 14:41:51 <chinosoliard> it doesn't matter... 14:42:41 <alexove> any other comment? 14:42:45 <chinosoliard> by the way, I've been working on FLISoL pages (wiki) this week... I don't have good internet access, but I made what I can 14:42:58 <alexove> chinosoliard++ 14:43:04 <alexove> asoliard++ 14:43:31 <chinosoliard> I think that yulytas write to ML today... let me check 14:44:04 <chinosoliard> Hello Potty 14:44:04 <chinosoliard> I cannot attend on weekdays to the meeting. 14:44:05 <chinosoliard> Maybe if you change it for Saturdays afternoon? 14:44:05 <chinosoliard> I am guiding some guys in Lima for the Flisol and the Fedora Party 2018. 14:44:05 <chinosoliard> I hope everything is OK with Fedora LATAM. 14:44:05 <chinosoliard> Best regards, 14:44:07 <chinosoliard> Julita 14:44:45 <chinosoliard> Richzendy answers: 14:44:45 <chinosoliard> Hello Julita, 14:44:46 <chinosoliard> Some years ago this meeting was on saturdays, was changed due a not enough quorum. 14:45:39 <chinosoliard> And we don't have enough quorum right now too... but I think we're the only active contributors 14:45:57 <yn1v[m]> It is impossible to find a time that serves everybody... we have to settle to a time that fits the most. 14:46:09 <yosef7> .fas josereyesjdi 14:46:09 <zodbot> yosef7: josereyesjdi 'Jose A. Reyes H.' <josereyes.jdi@gmail.com> 14:46:12 <itamarjp> chinosoliard, the responsible for changing it to friday was you, did you remember or am I wrong ? 14:46:47 <itamarjp> and the responsible for having it on saturdays was me. 14:47:18 <chinosoliard> itamarjp, I remember very well... but most contributors voted this time 14:47:21 <yn1v[m]> Why, one of the guys in Lima does not show up here? She should encorage them to be active members of the community, not just her students 14:47:49 <chinosoliard> yn1v++ 14:47:52 <x3mboy> It wasn't a chinosoliard decision, the voting was open 14:48:59 <x3mboy> yn1v, that's why I vote -1 to her tickets 14:49:25 <chinosoliard> we (the actives) are working to have LATAM working without quorum on meetings... that's why we created "discuss" and "fix" tags on pagure... We're thinking in how people can contribute and be active without assisting meetings 14:49:54 <chinosoliard> we've telegram, IRC, mail list, pagure... we have a lot of tool to participate in an active way... 14:50:24 <itamarjp> chinosoliard, the changes proposed by Jared will kill the meetings 14:50:35 <danniel> chinosoliard++ 14:50:35 <zodbot> danniel: Karma for asoliard changed to 11 (for the f27 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:50:37 <itamarjp> am I right x3mboy ? 14:50:42 <chinosoliard> so, if someone only appears to ask for founding, or traveling, or SWAG... We are the only responsable for make people active 14:51:01 <x3mboy> itamarjp, absolutely no 14:51:09 <chinosoliard> itamarjp, I didn't read it yet :-/ (Mala mía) 14:51:17 <x3mboy> It will change the dynamic of the group 14:51:37 <chinosoliard> s/founding/funding/g 14:51:48 <itamarjp> x3mboy 14:52:03 <itamarjp> x3mboy, the ticket will no more approved by ambassadors 14:52:05 <x3mboy> It will move from just discuss tickets to create strategies, document processes, share experiences 14:52:12 <itamarjp> but by famsco / mindshare 14:52:29 <yn1v[m]> well, this is not working. Maybe we shoul try something different. 14:53:17 <yn1v[m]> Yes, do other things. Things that matters 14:53:18 <itamarjp> x3mboy, I read and I understood that all tickets will be approved by famsco / mindshare 14:53:29 <x3mboy> itamarjp, about funding yes 14:53:55 <x3mboy> itamarjp, if that's the only ticket you create, you should looks other tracks/pagure 14:55:30 <x3mboy> We should start discuss things like the objectives, how to reflect the objectives in our talks, how to improve the communication about the new releases 14:55:31 <jsmith> itamarjp: My intention is *not* to kill the meetings... My intention is to make the meetings focused on helping *people*, and not about *bureaucracy* 14:56:00 <x3mboy> Also, that's not a "decision", it's a call for comments 14:56:32 <x3mboy> If the comments are overall positive we are going to write processes about the new changes 14:56:52 <jsmith> itamarjp: Volunteer time is a limited and precious resource -- we should use it the best we can, and eliminate bureaucracy wherever possible.... 14:57:26 <jsmith> itamarjp: Also, please understand that this wasn't just my idea -- these were ideas (still open for discussion!) formulated by the Mindshare committee... I just volunteered to write them up, and help drive the discussion 14:57:36 <jsmith> itamarjp: So please don't make this personal about me 14:57:43 <itamarjp> jsmith, lets do it, because Its to hard to get resources, at least for me, https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/438 14:59:01 <bt0> yeah, why you closed it?? 14:59:28 <bt0> get some swag is better than no swag (i think) 15:00:18 <itamarjp> I have been waiting for 5 months, in the first message I stated the quantities, but the people keeps asking me the quantities, I added the address, the people keeps asking me to ship to a different address 15:01:17 <itamarjp> other people comes and ask for flisol stuff (last minute tickets) 15:01:24 <itamarjp> and they get shipped first 15:02:12 <chinosoliard> I really understand you, itamarjp 15:02:23 <bt0> that ticket becomes very confused for me, first we are asking for $300 for local swag production, after for swag, everybody vote +1, an then closed 15:03:27 <x3mboy> Sadly that ticket was created in time of changes about SWAG 15:03:31 <bt0> maybe i am the only 15:04:48 <bt0> please open a new ticket, the response times are now more short, maybe you can get the swag for your events, i will be very happy to vote your ticket 15:05:26 <itamarjp> bt0, I will file a new one and put flisol in the title of the ticket (may be it helps) 15:05:44 <x3mboy> Yes, the problem was that in that time we change to produce SWAG to a central SWAG production 15:05:44 <JuanCatlosLin> hi all 15:05:49 <yn1v[m]> It has take a lot of time to produce swag. I think that new iteration will be faster. 15:05:54 <x3mboy> That's why it became so confusing 15:05:57 <JuanCatlosLin> .hellomynameis lin 15:05:58 <zodbot> JuanCatlosLin: lin 'Juan Carlos YJ Lin' <lin@unisoft.com.py> 15:06:27 <itamarjp> yn1v[m], In the first message I asked only for stickers the artwork for stickers already exists since years 15:07:18 <bt0> itamrjp, what ticket number?? 15:08:13 <bt0> s/itamrjp/itamarjp/g 15:09:09 <x3mboy> https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/438#comment-482436 15:09:36 <x3mboy> https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/438#comment-507216 15:10:08 <x3mboy> Answer were to easy: I need 300 sticker sheets 15:10:16 <x3mboy> No 2x what Chile recieved 15:11:03 <x3mboy> Stop comparing your tickets with other, just answer precisely 15:11:11 <x3mboy> That's all that's being asked 15:11:35 <x3mboy> There was a suggestion to shipped directly to Brazil, Simple answer: No, it's not the best for us 15:12:06 <x3mboy> Simple Answer: Ok, the address is XXX but the taxes will be too high, it's on your responsability to cover that 15:12:17 <x3mboy> Why need to do everything so complicated 15:13:04 <itamarjp> x3mboy, for that reason I closed the ticket, all the info are on the ticket 15:14:09 <jsmith> itamarjp: In reading the ticket, I see bex asking at least three times to just tell him which stickers you want sent. 15:14:10 <chinosoliard> guys... the time 15:14:23 <chinosoliard> can we follow @ #fedora-latam 15:14:26 <chinosoliard> ? 15:14:35 <x3mboy> chinosoliard, I know, give us 5 more minutes to close this particular issue 15:14:41 <x3mboy> Nobody needs this particular channel 15:14:54 <x3mboy> And it will get lost in #fedora-latam 15:15:02 <itamarjp> jsmith, for me theres no difference, whatever sticker are ok 15:15:13 <jsmith> itamarjp: It seems there's some sort of communications problem here. 15:15:40 <jsmith> itamarjp: Bex was quite clear (at least to me), that he needs you to decide, so he can tell the Red Hat people what to ship. 15:15:49 <itamarjp> I told him, send me a surprise box (whatever you have or whatever you can send ) 15:15:50 <x3mboy> itamarjp, If you want the SWAG shipped create a ticket with the precise info: Address, (if can't be directly shipped to Brazil, just write it), quantities, and events where it will be used 15:15:56 <x3mboy> It's just that simple 15:15:58 <jsmith> If you say "just ship whatever", you might get English stickers, Russian stickers, or Ansible stickers :-/ 15:16:24 <x3mboy> jsmith, I'm evil, I would sent him a box of greek and russian SWAG 15:16:28 <itamarjp> jsmith, amazing 15:16:30 <x3mboy> That's why I'm not in charge of that 15:16:32 <itamarjp> thats it 15:16:49 <itamarjp> jsmith, russian, ansible and others are all welcome 15:17:10 <yn1v[m]> I am looking at the changes proposed and I like what I am seeing. I can complain about what has not worked in the past and how it has taken to come up with these new ideas. But I think I better get on board and share my ideas to be taken into account. Everybody has the right to get frustrated, but complaining does not help 15:18:41 <x3mboy> yn1v[++ 15:18:43 <x3mboy> yn1v++ 15:18:43 <zodbot> x3mboy: Karma for yn1v changed to 4 (for the f27 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:18:56 <x3mboy> It's a better idea to complain and shaare an idea 15:18:59 <yn1v[m]> People, I have been in IRC for more than an hour. I need to change my attention to work stuff. 15:19:28 <x3mboy> yn1v[m], no problem, we should close 15:19:35 <x3mboy> chinosoliard, can we close now? 15:19:36 <yn1v[m]> I will catch up with logs latter. Best regards. 15:19:37 <itamarjp> fedora expects results from ambassadors, but fedora should improve his side too 15:19:54 <x3mboy> Ambassadors are Fedora 15:20:10 <x3mboy> I never understood what we are seeing 15:21:10 <jsmith> itamarjp: I'm trying to improve both, and welcome your detailed suggestions 15:21:31 <jsmith> itamarjp: (but I also don't see it as "Fedora vs. Ambassadors" either -- Ambassadors *are* Fedora) 15:22:09 <jsmith> itamarjp: And please believe me when I say -- I really *do* want to hear your ideas for making things better. 15:22:48 <itamarjp> jsmith, I am doing my best, the issues is the same 15:23:03 <itamarjp> jsmith, in the past 6+ months for reimbursements 15:23:27 <itamarjp> now alot of time for receiving some stickers 15:23:32 <itamarjp> for me nothing changed 15:24:13 <itamarjp> fedora is moving slowly 15:24:30 <jsmith> itamarjp: I've only been a part of Mindshare for a month, but I'll do everything I can to make things move more quickly 15:24:52 <itamarjp> its not only in ambassadors 15:25:05 <itamarjp> 2 month waiting 15:25:07 <itamarjp> emails sent 15:25:12 <itamarjp> code is there waiting 15:25:12 <jsmith> itamarjp: ... and I totally agree with you. You shouldn't have to wait six months for reimbursement, and swag should be shipped in days (or maybe a week), not months 15:25:13 <itamarjp> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-flask-wtf/pull-requests 15:25:47 <itamarjp> I have sent a pull request and nobodys commit's it or reply my email 15:25:59 <itamarjp> bug is on bugzilla 15:26:14 <bt0> itamarjp, give a chance to the new process, fedora moves slowly because we are moving slowly that is the main reason for the ambassadors changes are proposed 15:26:57 <jsmith> itamarjp: FESCo is evaluating your Proven Packager request in #fedora-meeting in about 30 seconds :-) 15:27:03 <itamarjp> if you file a ticket like this one, https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1881 15:27:11 <itamarjp> the people thinks that you're a rude guy 15:27:15 <itamarjp> or not friendly 15:27:45 <bt0> (also we need more packagers) 15:28:29 <itamarjp> I am starting to care less, 15:28:59 <itamarjp> I have to go, I need to return to the work 15:29:01 * alexove : arbitro la hora.... la hora.... 15:29:19 <alexove> :-D 15:30:14 * chinosoliard is reading and reading, and it's OK... we have 30 minutes of free room... If anybody needs to go, be free, we have sufficients chairs to close the meetings 15:30:54 * chinosoliard is cutting stickers and reading 15:31:29 <bt0> so... close? 15:33:23 <JuanCatlosLin> +1 15:33:44 <chinosoliard> ok 15:33:55 <chinosoliard> please, close... I'm going smoke 15:34:58 <chinosoliard> ok.. I close 15:35:00 <chinosoliard> 5... 15:35:00 <bt0> #endmeeting