15:30:09 <jwf> #startmeeting Fedora CommOps (2018-02-19)
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15:30:09 <jwf> #meetingname commops
15:30:09 <jwf> #nick commops
15:30:09 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'commops'
15:30:20 <jwf> #topic Agenda
15:30:27 <jwf> #link
15:30:27 <jwf> #info (1) Roll call / Q&A
15:30:27 <jwf> #info (2) Announcements
15:30:27 <jwf> #info (3) Action items from last meeting
15:30:28 <jwf> #info (4) Tickets
15:30:29 <jwf> #info (5) Open floor
15:30:44 <jwf> #topic Roll call / Q&A
15:30:49 <jwf> #info Name; Timezone; Sub-projects/Interest Areas
15:30:49 <jwf> #action commops New members, make sure you introduce yourself on the CommOps mailing list [ ]
15:30:54 <jwf> If this is your first time at a CommOps meeting, feel free to introduce yourself to everyone and say hello! If anyone has any questions before we get started with the rest of the agenda, now is also a good time to ask.
15:31:09 <jwf> #info Justin W. Flory; UTC-5; CommOps, Diversity Team
15:31:16 <bt0_> #info Alberto Rodríguez S.; UTC-5; CommOps, dotNet, Marketing, Infra, Ambassadors, cats
15:31:26 * jwf waves to bt0_
15:31:29 <jwf> #chair bt0_ bt0
15:31:29 <zodbot> Current chairs: bt0 bt0_ jwf
15:31:36 <bt0_> .fas bt0dotninja
15:31:37 <zodbot> bt0_: bt0dotninja 'Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez' <>
15:31:42 <bt0_> hi o/
15:31:58 <jwf> We'll wait a few minutes for some other folks to pop in. :-) I'm going to get some water before we kick off.
15:32:34 <wesleyotugo> #Info Dennis W. Otugo; UTC+1; CommOps, Infra
15:35:35 <jwf> Hi wesleyotugo!
15:35:38 <jwf> #chair wesleyotugo
15:35:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: bt0 bt0_ jwf wesleyotugo
15:37:07 <jwf> I know bee2502 and skamath are away from keyboard today.
15:38:01 <bt0_> Right
15:38:26 <wesleyotugo> Hello jwf
15:39:20 <jwf> Okay, might be a quiet show today.
15:39:26 <jwf> Let's go ahead and get started,
15:39:33 <jwf> #topic Announcements
15:39:38 <jwf> #info === "EMEA Ambassadors: 2017 Year in Review" – by edgates++ ===
15:39:40 <zodbot> jwf: Karma for edgates changed to 1 (for the f27 release cycle):
15:39:43 <jwf> #link
15:39:43 <jwf> #info Quick highlights of the EMEA Ambassadors' activity in 2017. Includes goals for improved event report coverage and tracking metrics to measure success.
15:40:12 <jwf> <eof>
15:40:29 <jwf> That's the only thing I had on my list since last week, but I also didn't get a chance to search through the mailing lists
15:40:32 <jwf> Anyone else have anything?
15:41:03 <jwf> Going once…
15:41:13 <jwf> Going twice…
15:41:20 <jwf> And thrice…
15:41:25 <jwf> #topic Action items from last meeting
15:41:32 <jwf> #link
15:41:32 <jwf> #info How This Works: We look at past #action items from the last meeting for quick follow-up. If a task is completed, we move on to the next one. If it isn't, we get an update and re-action if needed. If no status, we'll try to get a quick update and move forward.
15:41:50 <jwf> #info === [INCOMPLETE] "x3mboy Open new CommOps ticket with expanded idea on improving communication from public to Ambassadors" ===
15:41:50 <jwf> #action x3mboy Open new CommOps ticket with expanded idea on improving communication from public to Ambassadors
15:41:55 <jwf> #nick x3mboy
15:42:00 <jwf> #info === [IN PROGRESS] "jwf Work on first draft of FAD event report, share with team for feedback by 2017-02-16" ===
15:42:03 <jwf> #link
15:42:07 <jwf> #action jwf Work on first draft of FAD event report, share with team for feedback by 2017-02-23
15:42:12 <jwf> #info === [COMPLETE] "commops Review Fedora Appreciation Week template to collect contributor stories, leave any feedback in the Etherpad" ===
15:42:16 <jwf> #link
15:42:19 <jwf> #info Template is ready; need to add template into tooling for Pagure repo
15:42:24 <jwf> #info === [COMPLETE] "bee2502 jonatoni Start discussion with Fedora Infra on requirements to host our own Happiness Packet site (inc. Python / Django, PostgreSQL, etc.)" ===
15:42:28 <jwf> #link
15:42:31 <jwf> #info Idea generally approved; bee2502 and jonatoni to clarify on hardware needs once we get through the applicant phase of GSoC and Outreachy
15:42:36 <jwf> #info === [IN PROGRESS] "skamath Finish installing Grimoire on CommOps cloud instance by 2018-02-19, share link to mailing list when finished" ===
15:42:40 <jwf> #link
15:42:44 <jwf> #action skamath Document log-in instructions to Grimoire on CommOps cloud instance
15:42:48 <jwf> Planned discussion for later in meeting.
15:42:51 <jwf> #nick skamath
15:43:16 <jwf> #info === [COMPLETE] "skamath file an issue in mentored-projects repo for including perceval project in Outreachy" ===
15:43:21 <jwf> #link
15:43:25 <jwf> #info === [COMPLETE] "skamath Follow-up with a2batic and sumantro on GSoC projects for Outreachy" ===
15:43:29 <jwf> #link
15:43:32 <jwf> #info Perceval fedmsg plugin and Android projects are officially added as Summer 2018 Outreachy projects
15:43:38 <jwf> <eof>
15:43:56 <jwf> Pretty straightforward this week. We're mostly chugging along to the timeline we outlined at the FAD.
15:44:13 <bt0_> woo, awesome
15:44:20 <jwf> #topic Tickets
15:44:24 <jwf> #link
15:44:30 <jwf> #info === Ticket #137: "New CommBlog article: Fedora accepted into GSoC 2018" ===
15:44:31 <jwf> #link
15:44:35 <jwf> #help Great task for beginner. Need to write an announcement that Fedora is participating in Google Summer of Code 2018. Past example is in ticket.
15:44:46 <jwf> I also put a call out for this on the mailing list last night.
15:45:14 <jwf> I thought I'd keep it in the meeting agenda if someone wanted to work on it after seeing it in the meeting, but otherwise, we can move forward.
15:45:31 <wesleyotugo> Started drafting on ticket #137
15:45:40 <jwf> I know bexelbie would appreciate a lot of help on this one :-)
15:45:50 <jwf> wesleyotugo: Awesome! So you are interested in working on this?
15:46:07 <wesleyotugo> Yes jwf
15:46:42 <jwf> wesleyotugo: Okay, great. When do you think you could have a first draft ready by?
15:47:05 <jwf> The earlier the better, but next Monday (Feb. 26) was the original target date.
15:47:07 <wesleyotugo> 9pm
15:47:20 <jwf> Tonight??
15:47:23 <wesleyotugo> wait.. I mean 8pm GMT
15:47:36 <jwf> Ahh, okay. If you can swing that, it would be awesome.
15:47:42 <bt0_> wesleyotugo++
15:47:49 <jwf> wesleyotugo: Can I action you to write to the mailing list when you're ready for review?
15:48:15 <wesleyotugo> Yes, but I am not good at graphic so I cant create a featured image?
15:48:15 <jwf> That way, both me, bexelbie, and skamath have a chance to read it and share any feedback.
15:48:18 <wesleyotugo> Okay sure jwf
15:48:27 <jwf> wesleyotugo: Don't worry on the featured image. :-) I can help with that.
15:48:39 <jwf> I think I have a generic GSoC image we can use for this type of article
15:49:15 <jwf> #action wesleyotugo Write first draft of "Fedora accepted into GSoC 2018" on CommBlog; write to mailing list when ready for review (final draft due: 2018-02-26)
15:49:26 <wesleyotugo> Okay that could work. I could just put in the text in the image
15:49:32 <jwf> Awesome, thanks wesleyotugo for jumping on this. Hopefully this one is more straightforward than the wiki article.
15:49:42 <jwf> Moving on to the next ticket…
15:49:43 <jwf> #info === Ticket #110: "Fedora Appreciation Week 2017" ===
15:49:48 <jwf> #link
15:49:58 <jwf> And a few more relevant links…
15:49:59 <jwf> #link
15:49:59 <jwf> #link
15:49:59 <jwf> #link
15:50:11 <jwf> Our timeline, the repo for collecting stories, and the issue template ^^
15:50:11 <wesleyotugo> Lol I ran through it before the meeting started. it is
15:50:20 <jwf> #info According to timeline, in February, we create the template for contributors to submit stories and add the template to repo. Template was out for review since last meeting; will move forward to incorporate template into repo
15:50:27 <jwf> #action jwf Add FAW template in Etherpad as Pagure issue template in contributor-stories repo
15:50:31 <jwf> Originally, we planned to announce contributor stories or Appreciation Week in a CommBlog post this month. Is this realistic or is someone interested in helping write this?
15:50:38 <jwf> Otherwise, we can push into March.
15:50:59 * skamath is here
15:50:59 <skamath> .hello2
15:51:00 <zodbot> skamath: skamath 'Sachin S Kamath ' <>
15:51:05 <jwf> I know bee2502 is in exams and probably won't have bandwidth, and I travel for another two weeks starting this Saturday
15:51:11 * jwf waves to skamath
15:51:13 <jwf> #chair skamath
15:51:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: bt0 bt0_ jwf skamath wesleyotugo
15:51:28 <skamath> Hello commops o/
15:51:47 <jwf> skamath: Metrics ticket up next. :-)
15:52:04 <skamath> Okay, I am on a really unstable connection. I'm moving a bit to find a better connection
15:52:40 <jwf> Unless bt0_ is interested in taking this one, I'm inclined to push the first announcement into March. I think our team bandwidth is low to get this done in February.
15:52:45 <bt0_> about the comm blog entry  I can do it
15:52:49 <jwf> :D
15:52:57 <jwf> bt0_: That would be amazing!
15:53:08 <jwf> bt0_: Do you understand what the ask is for this article?
15:53:13 <jwf> s/ask/point
15:53:26 <bt0_> mostly
15:53:45 <bt0_> but I can write a draft soon
15:54:07 <jwf> What do you think it is? I want to make sure we're on the same page. :-) I know you caught a lot of this during the FAD, but thought it was better to be sure
15:55:59 <jwf> bt0__: Lost connection?
15:56:07 <jwf> Not sure if you caught my last message.
15:56:09 <bt0__> yeah
15:56:44 <bt0__> let me change to the Pc
15:57:38 <jwf> bt0__: Okay, no problem.
15:57:53 <jwf> bt0__: I was asking what you thought the point of the article was, to make sure we're on the same page.
15:58:57 <bt0> Yeah, don't worry announcing contributor stories, right ??
15:59:25 <jwf> bt0: Yeah, I think it makes sense to introduce contributor stories now, in three pieces for the article:
15:59:28 <jwf> 1. What they are
15:59:37 <jwf> 2. Why we're doing this (hinting to FAW)
15:59:40 <jwf> 3. How to submit
15:59:48 <bt0> cool
15:59:53 <jwf> I think 300-500 words, anywhere in that range, is plenty
15:59:57 <jwf> Sound good?
16:00:02 <bt0> yeah
16:00:21 <jwf> #info Contributor stories CommBlog intro: (1) What they are; (2) Why we're doing this; (3) How to submit one
16:00:32 <jwf> bt0: First draft by next meeting sound good?
16:00:34 <jwf> Or need more time?
16:00:39 <bt0> right
16:00:43 <jwf> :+1:
16:00:48 <bt0> +1
16:00:58 <jwf> #action bt0 Write first draft of Contributor Stories article for CommBlog by Monday, Feb. 26 2018
16:01:05 <jwf> Sweet. We can push on ahead then.
16:01:09 <jwf> bt0: Thanks for helping here!
16:01:18 <jwf> #info === Ticket #114: "Use metrics dashboard to visualize fedmsg data" ===
16:01:19 <jwf> #link
16:01:22 <jwf> #link
16:01:25 <jwf> #info Revisiting timeline goals; how do we want to document this information?
16:01:32 <jwf> skamath: Ping, on a stable connection?
16:01:48 <jwf> I was thinking about how we document things related to Grimoire for CommOps
16:01:50 <skamath> On the most stable one I can get here :)
16:02:07 <skamath> Oh, that's a good question
16:02:12 <jwf> I was thinking about AsciiDocs in our repo, e.g. "How to use Grimoire on CommOps machine"
16:02:26 <jwf> Which would include things like authentication instructions
16:02:45 <jwf> Not sure if that's something extremely sensitive or introduces room for abuse, to publicly share basic read-only login instructions
16:02:57 <skamath> We only authenticate for SSH. I should figure out a way to limit Kibana
16:03:07 <jwf> We could manage write-access granular and create an account for someone that wanted to hack on it
16:03:10 <jwf> Oh.
16:03:14 <skamath> Right now, Kibana allows only sharing of the entire dashboard in read only mode.
16:03:26 <jwf> skamath: Are we talking about the web interface or the admin rights on the box?
16:03:34 <wesleyotugo> I have to take my leave now. Would readup and comment on issues lateron
16:03:39 <skamath> I was talking to Elastic folks and looks like they have a separate app called Guard which lets us to limit Kibana
16:03:42 <jwf> wesleyotugo: Thanks for joining! See you around.
16:03:45 <jwf> .thank wesleyotugo
16:03:45 <zodbot> jwf thinks wesleyotugo is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to wesleyotugo++ also)
16:03:47 <skamath> jwf, Kibana access.
16:04:02 <skamath> Kibana doesn't come with privilege separation.
16:04:29 <skamath> We need to plug in an extra tool called Guard by the Elastic folks and set up access
16:04:31 <jwf> skamath: So there's no way for us to have a global, read-only account that we share publicly, and then "admin" users like `skamath`, `jflory`, etc?
16:04:42 <skamath> jwf, There is. That's where Guard will help
16:04:46 <jwf> I see.
16:04:53 <skamath> I need to read about it. I only know that it can do it.
16:04:56 <jwf> Sort of annoying that's not included out of the box…
16:05:11 <jwf> skamath: Okay. So maybe before we think about documenting, we need to think about account access with Guard?
16:05:28 <jwf> Is researching / possibly implementing Guard something you feel is doable by next Monday?
16:05:37 <skamath> jwf, I am not sure about the process yet so let's keep documentation blocked on Guard.
16:05:54 <jwf> +1 to blocking documentation on Guard
16:05:55 <skamath> jwf, I think I can do it. I'll take an action on that
16:05:59 <jwf> Awesome.
16:06:36 <jwf> #action skamath Research (possibly implement) Guard to manage granular permissions between accounts in Kibana by Monday, 2018-02-26
16:06:45 <skamath> +1
16:06:48 <skamath> Thanks sir.
16:07:26 <jwf> #info Documentation is blocked by understanding how we will manage accounts; need to look into third-party plugin by Elastic team called Guard to have advanced permissioning for multiple users in Kibana; skamath to research this by next Monday's meeting
16:07:44 <jwf> Okay, I think this covers this for now.
16:07:53 <jwf> skamath: Thanks for making steady progress on this.
16:08:00 <jwf> Last ticket:
16:08:01 <jwf> #info === Ticket #133: "Creating summer coding "best practices" docs for mentors" ===
16:08:06 <jwf> #link
16:08:10 <skamath> jwf, Did I share creds for dashboard with you?
16:08:13 <jwf> #info bee2502 mentioned some ideas for advice on supporting mentors in our intern programs; what other helpful topics are there to include? Do we want to champion this task at the 2018 Documentation FAD?
16:08:18 <jwf> skamath: I do have them in Telegram.
16:08:26 <skamath> Okay, cool :)
16:08:32 <jwf> skamath: Maybe an email to me and bex would help too, to keep him in on the loop
16:08:44 <skamath> jwf, That's the first thing I did.
16:08:48 <skamath> :P
16:08:59 <jwf> skamath: Oh, sweet. :-) I must have missed the email, but all is good, I have it in Telegram
16:09:04 <jwf> Looking at #133…
16:09:17 <jwf> I mostly wanted to see if anyone had other ideas for helpful tips for GSoC / Outreachy interns
16:09:29 <jwf> I think half of us still present have interacted or participated in GSoC before now
16:09:49 <jwf> So I thought we could brainstorm for a bit, and then this ticket could be highlighted at next week's Docs FAD.
16:10:09 <jwf> Bee had four ideas in the ticket:
16:10:14 <jwf> #idea Have on-boarding guidelines for selected applicants
16:10:20 <jwf> #idea Introduce social communication channels for students
16:10:42 <jwf> #idea Do research + use existing documents from other open source communities (e.g. MetaBrainz has a private communication channel for discussions between mentors)
16:10:43 <skamath> jwf, something like : ?
16:10:56 <jwf> #idea Highlight work of selected applicants on Commblog
16:10:57 * jwf clicks
16:11:37 <skamath> We also have little bit of How to work with students here :
16:11:57 <jwf> skamath: Oh, interesting, this entire guide seems comprehensive, at a general level
16:12:21 <skamath> jwf, That's the best SoC guide out there. There are docs both for students and mentors.
16:12:51 <jwf> skamath: So maybe it would make more sense for us to have "internal"-ish docs that have Fedora-specific guidelines, but strongly reference this as a tool for mentors
16:12:58 <jwf> Makes no sense to reinvent the wheel and the work
16:13:12 <skamath> Yep, +1 to that
16:13:23 <jwf> #link
16:13:33 <jwf> #link
16:13:35 <bt0> +1
16:13:35 <skamath> We can make some very specific Fedora mentoring things and then a link to this
16:13:55 <jwf> That's definitely a much more manageable chunk of work than writing an entire guide to mentoring for GSoC
16:14:10 <jwf> I think this is also a good deliverable for the Docs FAD, but will need to check in with other folks there
16:14:28 <jwf> I can champion this at the Docs FAD for us then
16:14:49 <skamath> Are you attending Docs FAD, jwf ?
16:15:27 <jwf> #info skamath linked a helpful guide written by FLOSS Manuals (sponsored by Google) for mentoring and administering Google Summer of Code. Instead of reinventing the wheel, point this as a reference and only document Fedora-specific details in our own mentor docs
16:15:43 <skamath> +1
16:15:44 <jwf> skamath: Yep, I'm flying this Saturday.
16:16:15 <jwf> #action jwf Bring #133 as a work task to Docs FAD; pre-prep by reaching out on Docs list for feedback (?)
16:16:21 <jwf> Cool…
16:16:26 <jwf> I think that wraps things up for us
16:16:30 <skamath> So Justin is gonna be like :
16:16:36 <skamath> .moar docs fedora
16:16:36 <zodbot> here fedora, have some more docs
16:16:49 <skamath> jwf++
16:17:06 <jwf> lolol. Sitting in a room full of Fedora contributors hacking on some rad documentation \o/
16:17:28 <jwf> Need to get my packing game on soon, but… I'll probably save it for Friday night
16:17:29 <jwf> :P
16:17:36 <jwf> Anyways, I think that's all for tickets.
16:17:37 <bt0> ohhh the docs fad
16:17:40 <jwf> #topic Open floor
16:17:53 <jwf> Anyone have anything they would like to mention or bring up?
16:18:01 <bt0> not from me
16:18:01 <skamath> I can join in remote when you are writing about SoC
16:18:14 <skamath> jwf, If it is a possibility, let me know.
16:18:56 <jwf> skamath: ACK. I will work on keeping the team in the loop for any CommOps-specific tasks during the FAD.
16:19:11 <skamath> \o/
16:19:24 <jwf> Okay, if that's it for today, I'm going to get ready for a work meeting in 10 minutes :P
16:19:43 <jwf> As always, thanks everyone for sharing some of your energy here for an hour. :-)
16:19:54 <skamath> Thank you jwf for chairing!
16:19:58 <jwf> I'm not sure if I'll be around to chair next Monday's meeting, but I will make a best effort.
16:20:06 <jwf> See you all in #fedora-commops!
16:20:08 <jwf> #endmeeting