14:14:11 <cwickert> #startmeeting FamSCo 2016-07-06
14:14:11 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jul  6 14:14:11 2016 UTC.  The chair is cwickert. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:14:11 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco_2016-07-06'
14:14:18 <cwickert> #meetingname famsco
14:14:18 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco'
14:15:00 <cwickert> #chair tuanta gnokii potty giannisk lbazan mailga
14:15:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert giannisk gnokii lbazan mailga potty tuanta
14:15:12 <cwickert> #topic Roll Call
14:15:22 <cwickert> ..fas cwickert
14:15:30 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
14:15:32 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@gmail.com>
14:15:55 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
14:15:56 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
14:16:28 <mailga> .fas mailga
14:16:29 <zodbot> mailga: mailga 'Gabriele Trombini' <g.trombini@gmail.com>
14:17:19 <cwickert> #info 3/7 famsco members present, means we don't have a quorum
14:18:19 <cwickert> #toipc FOSCo
14:18:23 <cwickert> .famsco 373
14:18:23 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/373
14:18:57 <cwickert> #info mailga created two wki pages at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSCo and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSCo_status
14:19:01 <cwickert> mailga++
14:19:01 <zodbot> cwickert: Karma for mailga changed to 2 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
14:20:04 * cwickert still reads the wiki pages
14:20:37 <mailga> cwickert: there's also the channel #fedora-outreach
14:22:04 <cwickert> mailga: thanks a lot for doing all this
14:23:00 <cwickert> mailga: did we take care inviting people to the meeting?
14:24:12 <mailga> cwickert: it make sense only if we keep a meeting only with the FOSCo topic.
14:24:26 <cwickert> that was the plan
14:24:37 <cwickert> it has nothing to do with the general FAmSCo meetings
14:26:08 * cwickert looks into the old minutes
14:26:18 <mailga> cwickert: we could listen on #fedora-outreach, saying to the pople to ping us on that channel.
14:27:44 <cwickert> mailga: no, I mean scheduling a meeting. Did someone actually do this?
14:27:57 <cwickert> I don't see an action item in the minutes and did not do it either
14:28:41 <mailga> no, we didn't. We gave time to gnokii and noriko for any update.
14:29:43 <cwickert> gnokii: anything from your side?
14:29:58 <gnokii> no
14:30:33 <cwickert> gnokii: you had some concerns last week, but you did not add anything to the ticket. does this mean you are fine?
14:30:56 <mailga> cwickert: I spoke with noriko and seems to work fine for her.
14:31:35 <cwickert> mailga: ok, then I will set up the whenisgood and invite people. I'm afraid we have to delay thingy by a week if we still want to give others a chance to participate
14:32:22 <gnokii> again its already been written
14:32:58 <cwickert> gnokii: again I did already answer but you did not get back to me
14:33:07 <cwickert> s/me/us
14:33:28 <mailga> cwickert: gnokii it's ok, for me is better going forward with some delay than with issues.
14:33:48 <cwickert> mailga: ok, doing this right away
14:34:02 <gnokii> mailga its not ok
14:35:17 <mailga> gnokii: do you have any issues about meritocracy?
14:35:22 <cwickert> gnokii: pardon? what exactly is not ok? you were the one who rejected to discuss proposals but wanted to meet with all interested parties first. Now we are doing exactly what you want and you are still not happy? or do I misunderstand you?
14:36:40 <gnokii> do you search somebody to blame for something?
14:39:36 <cwickert> gnokii: no, I just asked what exactly is not OK from your point of view
14:40:04 <cwickert> gnokii: you want all parties to gather, right?
14:40:09 <gnokii> yes
14:40:36 <cwickert> then why do you say that our way forward is not ok?
14:41:11 <cwickert> or why don't you go ahead? Why didn't you schedule a meeting and invite people?
14:41:28 <gnokii> cwickert: are you mailga?
14:41:29 <cwickert> AFAICS we are doing exactly what you want
14:41:38 <mailga> gnokii: I'm sure I missed something (I'm sorry about this but I'm also working) and if you remind me which issues are you thinking about I'm really glad. 'cause I've don't have so much time to read back all the discussions. Can you give me some points to think about?
14:42:10 <cwickert> gnokii: you did not indicate you were talking to mailga and in fact you responded to my question, but anyway
14:43:11 <gnokii> <gnokii> mailga its not ok
14:43:17 <mailga> gnokii: for me is ok going aehad with a "large" meeting so people and FAmSCo as well could discuss everything before a proposal approvavation (or changes).
14:44:31 <cwickert> mailga: poll is at http://whenisgood.net/fosco
14:44:33 <mailga> gnokii: sorry, but for me is ok, did I write a typo somewhere?
14:44:53 <gnokii> no mailga but cwickert has a little bit missed
14:45:35 <cwickert> #info poll to schedule a FOSCo brainstorm and constitutional meeting at http://whenisgood.net/fosco
14:47:27 <cwickert> gnokii: ok, you said something was not ok. If you let us know what, we could address your concerns.
14:48:52 <mailga> cwickert: how we can do to invite people to choose timing in the whenisgood? Do we may have a FOSCo ML?
14:49:44 <cwickert> mailga: I think we first send out private invitations to only the people who volunteered as point of contact
14:50:06 <cwickert> because the more people we have, the harder it will be to find a time that works for everybody
14:50:41 <cwickert> once we found a slot, we invite everybody else by sending mail to the relevant lists, e,g, ambassadors, outreach, marketing, design...
14:51:04 <mailga> cwickert: agree, but who will sent it? The FAmSCo chair?
14:51:25 <mailga> cwickert: I don't wanna take place of anyone.
14:51:28 <cwickert> mailga: I don't care, I can do it, you can do it, potty can do it
14:51:43 <cwickert> mailga: it's meritocracy ;-)
14:52:04 <mailga> cwickert: :-D
14:52:12 <cwickert> mailga: I will just send it now, because I am the one who created the poll and can see the results
14:52:16 <potty> Hi
14:52:23 * cwickert makes the results public, hold on...
14:52:41 <mailga> cwickert: it works for me, there's no problem at all.
14:52:48 <cwickert> hi potty
14:52:53 <cwickert> #info results page at http://whenisgood.net/fosco/results/gzbp7xk
14:53:48 <cwickert> #action cwickert to invite current PoCs to the meeting
14:53:53 <cwickert> ok, anything else?
14:54:09 <cwickert> #action cwickert to update the Council
14:54:18 <cwickert> #undo
14:54:18 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by cwickert at 14:54:09 : cwickert to update the Council
14:54:29 <cwickert> #action cwickert to update the Council about the latest FOSCo developments
14:55:07 <mailga> cwickert: do you need any other info for the council updating?
14:55:41 <cwickert> mailga: no, I think the wiki pages you created are a good summary, so I will just point them there
14:56:23 <mailga> cwickert: that's was the idea. Coucil and other representative as well...
14:56:44 <cwickert> ok, that's all from my side then
14:57:02 <mailga> cwickert: last question
14:57:03 <cwickert> I will send the invitation right after this meeting so we don't loose more time
14:57:11 <cwickert> shoot
14:57:35 <mailga> who's the representative dor the ambys?
14:57:52 <mailga> s/dor/for
14:58:00 <mailga> one of us?
14:59:00 <potty> i think should be one of us
14:59:09 <potty> or two max
14:59:38 <cwickert> I assumed all famsco members would come
14:59:59 <cwickert> I mean, we have not agreed on anything yet
15:00:18 <cwickert> so it would be unfair if I went their and tried to convince everybody of my propsal
15:00:29 <potty> cwickert: well, you are right
15:00:29 <cwickert> I think all of us should have a chance to speak up
15:00:51 <mailga> cwickert: potty: I think we should involve someone else, we're already involved and in the future ambassador should going ahead without us.
15:01:14 <potty> do you mean someone out of famsco but with the ambassador role?
15:01:34 <cwickert> I think mailga is raising an important point
15:01:49 <mailga> potty: exactly, someone that deserve an important role in the future.
15:01:57 <cwickert> technically our term is already over
15:02:07 <mailga> cwickert: +1
15:02:11 <potty> cwickert: +1
15:02:29 <potty> mailga: how do we choose that person?
15:02:42 <mailga> potty: good question.
15:02:48 <potty> cwickert: what happens now? In terms of choosing new famsco?
15:02:49 <cwickert> I think we should not choose it yet
15:03:12 <cwickert> potty: I don't think we want a new famsco, we want it replaced
15:03:26 <mailga> cwickert: of course, maybe we could choose with one nominated by each region.
15:03:30 <cwickert> if we decide to stick with it, we need new elections
15:04:07 <cwickert> mailga: see, that's a chicken and egg problem :) we don't yet know how the body will be composed, so it's hard to choose somebody
15:04:08 <mailga> cwickert: potty: I think we are the last FAmSCo, over us only FOSCo.
15:04:35 <potty> cwickert: so right now is the rule of thumb?
15:04:55 <cwickert> I think all people listed on the wiki page can be replaced. so far it is just famsco and a couple of volunteers
15:04:56 <potty> mailga: we should keep on, push FOSCo and bury FAmSCo
15:04:58 <mailga> cwickert: but we need a name to insert in the Ambassador representative box, I don't like "TBD".. :-D
15:05:12 <potty> mailga: do you have someone in mind?
15:05:16 <cwickert> once we agreed on something, the teams can appoint somebody else
15:05:27 <mailga> potty: not at all
15:05:37 <cwickert> mailga: I really think we should wait
15:06:07 <mailga> cwickert: ok, but Council did agree that ambassadors don't have any representative yet?
15:06:09 <cwickert> all of the names are basically just suggestions, nobody was appointed or elected, they just volunteered
15:06:18 <mailga> s/did/do
15:06:26 <cwickert> mailga: the council did not discuss this yet
15:06:43 <mailga> cwickert: ok, so we can move on.
15:07:28 <potty> yes
15:07:45 <cwickert> yes, let's move on, but let's not forget mailga's point. we will have to think about this soon
15:07:55 <cwickert> ok, that's all from my side
15:07:58 <cwickert> anything else?
15:08:02 <mailga> nope
15:08:07 * cwickert needs to catch a train in an hour...
15:08:13 * mailga has to leave in 5 minutes
15:08:23 <potty> no
15:08:29 <potty> close the meeting
15:08:32 <potty> I will send the logs
15:08:38 <potty> So you all can continue with your duties
15:09:45 <mailga> I have to go, thanks cwickert potty and gnokii see you soon.
15:10:30 <cwickert> thanks a lot mailga!
15:10:36 <cwickert> thanks for coming potty
15:10:38 <cwickert> #endmeeting