23:10:48 <alexove> #startmeeting Fedora Latam meeting
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23:10:59 <alexove> #topic Rollcall
23:11:07 <alexove> .fas alexove
23:11:07 <zodbot> alexove: alexove 'Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis' <alleinerwolf@gmail.com>
23:11:08 <athos> .fas athoscribeiro
23:11:09 <zodbot> athos: ribeiro 'Athos Ribeiro' <athoscribeiro@gmail.com>
23:11:16 * athos Brazil
23:11:37 * alexove = Peru
23:11:48 <em3rson__> Brazil
23:12:13 <xmrbrz> .fas xmrbrz
23:12:15 <zodbot> xmrbrz: xmrbrz 'Bruno Roberto Zanuzzo' <brunorobertozanuzzo@gmail.com>
23:12:19 * xmrbrz Brazil
23:12:43 <fredlima> .fas fredlima
23:12:44 <zodbot> fredlima: fredlima 'Frederico Henrique Gonçalves Lima' <fred@fredericolima.com.br>
23:12:46 <rmartinelli> .fas rimolive
23:12:47 <zodbot> rmartinelli: rimolive '' <ricardo.martinelli.oliveira@gmail.com>
23:13:10 <em3rson__> fas em3rson
23:13:23 <em3rson__> .fas em3rson
23:13:23 <zodbot> em3rson__: em3rson '' <em3rson@linuxmail.org>
23:13:28 <linuxmodder> .hello linuxmodder
23:13:29 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@openmailbox.org>
23:13:42 <linuxmodder> (from FamNA)
23:13:55 <alexove> This today's agenda
23:14:04 <alexove> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/report/9
23:16:00 <alexove> #topic Ticket 351
23:16:08 <alexove> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/ticket/351
23:16:20 <alyaj2a> .fas alyaj2a
23:16:21 <zodbot> alyaj2a: alyaj2a 'Aly Yuliza Machaca Mamani' <alyaj2a@gmail.com>
23:16:31 * alyaj2a from Peru
23:18:21 <alexove> in our last meeting we decided to postpone this ticket because the treasurer was not present
23:18:48 <athos> is he here today?
23:19:12 <alexove> But now, the scene is the same, he is not here
23:19:19 <alexove> :-(
23:19:49 <alexove> I think this ticket will be postponed again
23:20:09 <itamarjp_> alexove, then we need a new treasurer, or a second one treasurer
23:20:23 <athos> itamarjp_: +1
23:20:40 <alexove> +1
23:20:44 <itamarjp_> also applies to cardholder,
23:20:48 <anamativi> +1
23:20:53 <bernardoha> .fas bernardoha
23:20:53 <zodbot> bernardoha: bernardoha 'Bernardo C. Hermitaño Atencio' <bernardoha@gmail.com>
23:20:59 <athos> We have been discussing this same ticket for 3 or 4 meetings now
23:21:31 <alexove> Yes, I know
23:21:51 <itamarjp_> take a look,
23:21:57 <itamarjp_> if you agree, +1
23:21:58 <itamarjp_> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/385
23:25:18 <athos> +1 :)
23:25:20 <alexove> In this case we discuss about it in the next meeting because this topic is delicate and many people can feel excluded
23:26:01 <itamarjp_> ok
23:26:35 <alexove> I think, we might write a message to email about this topic
23:27:24 <alexove> who can write this message to the mail list?
23:27:43 <fredlima> +1
23:27:55 <itamarjp_> We have only Brazil and Peru here today am I right ?
23:28:37 <alexove> yes, you right
23:28:48 <itamarjp_> with exception of echevemaster that messaged us telling that He can't attend today.
23:28:56 <athos> I may write it if no one will :)
23:29:27 <alexove> thanks athos
23:30:10 <alexove> #action Athos will write a message to mail list about the treasurer topic
23:31:12 <alexove> someone has some ticket to discuss?
23:31:29 <itamarjp_> 1 minute,
23:31:34 <alexove> Ok
23:33:02 <potty> Hola
23:33:44 <potty> Hi
23:34:21 <potty> .hello potty
23:34:22 <zodbot> potty: potty 'Abdel G. Martínez L.' <abdel.g.martinez.l@gmail.com>
23:34:57 <alexove> #chair potty
23:34:57 <zodbot> Current chairs: alexove potty
23:35:06 <alexove> #chair itamarjp_
23:35:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: alexove itamarjp_ potty
23:35:12 <potty> Thanks
23:35:32 <alexove> the meeting is yours :-)
23:36:49 <potty> What is the current topic?
23:36:49 <potty> Give a
23:36:49 <potty> Give me a brief of it, please
23:37:12 <athos> ticket #351
23:37:32 <athos> we decided to postpone it once again since we do not have a tresurer attending the meeting
23:37:49 <alexove> my ticket
23:38:02 <alexove> change the topic please
23:38:15 <athos> we also decided that someone will send an email to the mailing list to discuss the topic and maybe we can have a different tresurer who will attend to the meetings
23:39:05 <itamarjp_> :-)
23:39:17 <athos> s/to the/the/
23:39:36 <alexove> or vice-treasurer
23:39:37 <alexove> :-)
23:39:38 <potty> Ok. Claryfing: are you changing me from bein treasurer?
23:40:02 <itamarjp_> potty, not yet,
23:40:14 <potty> I understand the pressure you got but sorry my friend I do not see it as a reason to look for someone as a replacement
23:40:17 <potty> First of all
23:40:18 <itamarjp_> but the ticket of alexove is being on meeting for long time,
23:40:31 <potty> This is the second meeting it is mentioned
23:40:50 <potty> As I explained on the unofficial channel
23:40:57 <potty> We have to cut out some events
23:41:19 <potty> In fact yourself metion that CONEISEC will not be executed
23:41:45 <potty> As I mention too, let's reduce budget for Release Parties to 50$ in every country
23:41:54 <potty> All of this, to approve your ticket
23:41:58 <alexove> !
23:42:11 <potty> But if you still think is needed a second opinion, I respect that
23:42:13 <potty> eof
23:42:16 <potty> alexove: go ahead
23:42:36 * potty is still driving. Trying to get the numbers calculated and share them here
23:42:46 <alexove> para aclarar las cosas, ya que mi ticket esta pendiente por segunda vez
23:43:09 <alexove> primero porque no se decidian a que presupuesto se iba a afectar
23:43:30 <alexove> y luego porque habia dudas respecto del presupuesto
23:43:57 <alexove> se nota que hace falta la presencia del tesorero para absolver estas dudas
23:44:07 <potty> Nunca hubo dudas. La situación es clara. No tenemos ni la mitad de lo que se pidió. Es un deber, medir los gastos.
23:44:16 <potty> Lo he estado diciendo.
23:44:21 * alexove aun no ha terminado
23:45:11 <alexove> por eso, los aca presentes sugieren que haya una persona extra, una especie de vice-tesorero que pueda suplir al tesorero titular en los casos que éste no llegue a la reunion
23:45:25 <potty> Se solicitó el llenado de una hoja de calculo. No todos lo han hecho. A pesar que se explicó como pedir las cosas, hubo gente que todavía compra cosas de eventos que no estan en el Budget y esperan reembolso. Si la actitud, como tal, no cambia, lo siento mucho no va a funcionar.
23:45:31 <alexove> EOF
23:46:01 <potty> Un subtesorero no es necesario. De hecho el rol de tesorero se auxilia del trabajo de cardholder, el cual realmente es el que tiene la vista clara de los gastos.
23:46:27 <potty> Una persona que representa a otra en caso que no vaya no sirve, porque si ninguna de las dos va, creamos la recursion de tener otro sub sub tesorero.
23:46:39 <potty> Mi error y fui claro en eso tambien fue no enviarlo a la lista.
23:47:02 <potty> As I said before, give me 5 minutes to share with you the numbers.
23:47:13 <potty> Alguien mas quiere decir algo?
23:47:46 <itamarjp_> meeting pausado por 5 minutos ( meeting in pause for 5 minutes)
23:48:16 <lvaz> o/
23:49:06 <potty> hi lvaz
23:49:06 <anamativi> \o
23:49:42 <lvaz> potty: hola o/
23:50:34 <tonet666p> hi guys
23:50:45 <tonet666p> .fas tonet666p
23:50:45 <zodbot> tonet666p: tonet666p 'Tonet Pascualet Jallo Colquehuanca' <tonet666p@gmail.com>
23:50:55 * tonet666p from Perú
23:50:59 <lvaz> .fas lvaz
23:50:59 <zodbot> lvaz: lvaz 'Leonardo Menezes Vaz' <leonardo.vaz@gmail.com>
23:51:34 * lvaz from Former Bolivarian Republic of Brazil
23:55:41 <potty> ok
23:55:42 <potty> done
23:55:49 <potty> let's speak about numbers
23:55:50 <potty> sorry for the delay
23:55:56 <alyaj2a> .fas alyaj2a
23:55:58 <zodbot> alyaj2a: alyaj2a 'Aly Yuliza Machaca Mamani' <alyaj2a@gmail.com>
23:56:11 * alyaj2a from Peru
23:56:36 <potty> #topic LATAM Budget
23:56:57 <potty> This topic will be discussed before any budget-related ticket.
23:57:45 <potty> Facts:
23:58:00 <potty> 1. We have an approved FY17 budget of  USD 11950
23:58:26 <potty> 2. Right now our cardholder, Neville, have reimbursed (paid) USD 1117.02
23:58:41 <potty> 3. For the rest of the FY17 we got USD 10832.98
23:59:26 <potty> Giving a linear proportion for the remaining quarters we should spend no more than USD 3610.99
00:00:15 <potty> Right now we are 12 active countries in LATAM: Mexico, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Panama, Colombia, Venezuela, Brasil, Argentina, Chile, Bolivia, Peru, Uruguay
00:00:50 <potty> Each country should spend no more than USD 300.91 per quarter.
00:01:28 <potty> This is just being fair with each and every country on LATAM. Although this is not the current situation. Some countries have more activities than others, and some of these activities are more expensive.
00:03:37 <potty> Taking in consideration from the Q2, the most expensive events are: 1. CONEISC, 2. ECSL, 3. FISL, 4. Campus Party Guadalajara, 5. Fedora Meeting Sucre, 6. FTSL, 7. Latinoware, 8. Hackmiting Mexico, 9. Conasol, 10. Hackmeeting Bolivia, 11. FGSL, 12. IFBA
00:05:15 <itamarjp_> if we need tu cut expenses, no more travelling to attend events,
00:05:52 <itamarjp_> or using economic methods, like bus,
00:06:03 <potty> As an action to reduce costs on the budget is to have Release Parties with a limit of USD 50 per activity. In the wiki we got 13 release parties events so it will be $650 in total for release parties.
00:06:17 <potty> This will help out the event alexove needs for FUDCon.
00:06:50 <potty> Some events that we will make on Panama will use less than the value on the wiki, so it will help save some money too for other events.
00:07:14 <potty> I need event owners to make realistic numbers on their events. Specially the big events.
00:07:31 <potty> Do anyone got a question?
00:07:51 <athos> !
00:07:59 <potty> athos: go ahead
00:08:39 <athos> Is a linear proportion per quarter realistic based on previous years and knowing expensive events happen on specific quarters?
00:09:16 <athos> eof
00:09:21 <potty> if we follow a basis on the experience we have previous years most of the events neither happened or the ambassador reported the expense
00:09:35 <potty> So it is a tough one to calculate following that hint
00:10:20 <potty> The only like constant events are FISL, Latinoware, CONEISC and Release Parties.
00:12:41 <potty> If I calculate considering the events on the wiki from the Q2 and on, we will need USD 13400
00:13:34 <alexove> !
00:13:41 <potty> The difference from what we have is 2567.02
00:13:50 <potty> alexove: go ahead bro
00:14:00 <alexove> Puedes quitar CONEISC este año, los organizadores de ese evento no contestan las llamadas asi no se logro asegurar nada
00:14:10 <alexove> EOF
00:14:13 <potty> OK
00:14:27 <potty> Updating: we will need USD 12500
00:14:54 <potty> The difference from what we have is USD 1667.02
00:14:56 <potty> Any questions?
00:15:23 <alexove> !
00:16:47 <alexove> Recuerdo que el año pasado, de los muchos eventos que se planificaron no se llevaron a cabo
00:16:57 <alexove> ¿Consideraste esa variable tambien?
00:17:15 <alexove> hubo release parties que no se llevaron a cabo y no se termino de gastar todo el prespuesto
00:17:17 <alexove> EOF
00:21:44 <potty> Por eso lo digo
00:22:15 <potty> I mean
00:22:44 <potty> If we want to get serious on budgeting we need to spend on what we planned
00:22:59 <potty> That is actually the main reason we get lower and lower budget every year
00:23:09 <potty> We overestimate and subspend
00:23:32 <potty> My idea is to spend the necessary on all possible events
00:23:41 <potty> To justify our original budget request
00:23:42 <potty> EOF
00:31:21 * alexove siente el canto de los grillos
00:31:48 <alexove> ping potty itamarjp_
00:32:27 <potty> I got to go
00:32:32 <potty> Family issue... Sorry
00:32:45 <potty> Baby issue...
00:33:04 <itamarjp_> do we need to vote ticket #
00:33:15 <itamarjp_> 351 ?
00:33:24 * alexove desea a feliz dia del padre fedoriano a todos los que tienes hijos ;-)
00:35:54 <alexove> itamarjp_ no problem for me, I can wait a week more
00:36:27 <itamarjp_> next topic,
00:39:28 <athos> ?
00:39:32 <athos> ping alexove
00:39:43 <alexove> I'm here
00:39:47 <athos> I believe you are back leading the meeting
00:40:02 <alexove> Ok
00:40:14 <athos> am I wrong, potty itamarjp_ ?
00:40:15 <potty> alexove: we can vote on your ticket
00:40:30 <potty> You are leading the meeting alexove
00:40:34 <alexove> we are only people from 3 countries
00:40:38 <potty> You got treasuring bless
00:40:46 <athos> :)
00:40:47 <alexove> Peru, Brazil and Panama
00:41:27 * itamarjp_ itamarjp are going to recruit new ambassadors from 2 more countries and take the skynet.
00:41:59 <alexove> XD
00:42:38 <alexove> so, we can vote the 351 ticket?
00:44:13 <itamarjp_> I don't have ambassadors for at least 5 countries to vote.
00:44:34 <itamarjp_> we can change that in the future if other countries keep not attending the meeting.
00:45:09 <potty> itamarjp_: +1
00:45:18 <alexove> Ok, let's vote this ticket in the next week
00:45:33 <alexove> #topic openfloor
00:46:15 <athos> !
00:47:08 <itamarjp_> athos, go ahead.
00:47:56 <athos> I should insist on pointing out we do have a problem with trac: We have 22 tickets marked as meeting tickets there, and whenever someone points to the agenda link, we actually see 21 tickets that are not in the agenda at all and 1 ticket (#351) that is
00:48:11 <alexove> athos: +1
00:48:48 <athos> as a solution, we could either: send the agenda to the mailing list OR set trac tags properly OR do as the infrastructure team, which uses gobby to control the agenda
00:49:09 <linuxmodder> trac  cleanup weekly  with the minutes maybe?
00:49:10 <potty> I suggest start with sending the agenda previous thenmeeting
00:49:20 <itamarjp_> athos +1 for next meeting
00:49:22 <athos> I would also like to point out that in the telegram Fedora Brasil group people were complaining about not understanding what was going on here
00:49:34 <athos> what would be better if we had a proper agenda
00:49:36 <athos> eof
00:49:41 <linuxmodder> potty,  infra sends  link to ML and uses gobby
00:49:52 <potty> linuxmodder: oh
00:49:59 <potty> Ok
00:50:10 <linuxmodder> athos,  not understanding what part ?
00:50:26 <linuxmodder> not a telegram user but know the admin for the telegram bit
00:50:36 <athos> well, new contributors... they just didn't know how to follow the meeting
00:51:10 <athos> I mean, here in IRC. They couldn't understand what we were talking about (nor why)
00:51:26 <athos> of course they need to keep attending to the meetings, but a proper agenda would definitely help
00:52:13 <athos> I mean, check what we have as an "agenda" now: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/report/9
00:52:16 <potty> athos: are they able to join Fedora Latam Telegram group?
00:52:24 <athos> only the last ticket was in the agenda
00:52:39 <athos> sure :) They are probably reading you right now :)
00:52:41 <potty> And I fully agree with the agenda
00:52:56 <potty> Lets mention that to the logistician
00:53:00 <potty> Echevemaster
00:53:10 <potty> He should take care of that
00:53:35 <alexove> there are a video for new users
00:53:47 <alexove> #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKUwv4Y1Khw
00:53:47 <potty> If he cant attend or send the agenda, some other can help
00:53:48 <potty> alexove: +1
00:54:08 <athos> ok :)
00:54:09 <potty> To help out not knowing things. We produced the video.
00:54:15 <potty> :)
00:54:45 <potty> As a region we are open to suggestions
00:54:56 <potty> Lets close this meeting in 2 minutes
00:55:06 <xmrbrz> I think the video was a great idea for new users. Also, to understand better about the budget.
00:55:15 <xmrbrz> in this case.
00:56:45 <potty> Thank you all for coming.
00:56:54 <potty> #endmeeting