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16:10:26 <sgallagh> #startmeeting Server Working Group Weekly Meeting (2014-12-02)
16:10:26 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Dec  2 16:10:26 2014 UTC.  The chair is sgallagh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:10:26 <sgallagh> #chair sgallagh mizmo nirik stefw adamw simo tuanta mitr
16:10:26 <sgallagh> #topic roll call
16:10:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw mitr mizmo nirik sgallagh simo stefw tuanta
16:10:43 <cwickert> uh, oh
16:10:53 <sgallagh> cwickert: Conflict?
16:11:31 <cwickert> sgallagh: no, seems I missed my meeting
16:11:52 <simo> so we are call rolling ?
16:11:57 <sgallagh> simo: yes
16:12:21 <mitr> Hello
16:12:25 <nirik> morning
16:12:27 <simo> .hello simo
16:12:28 <zodbot> simo: simo 'Simo Sorce' <ssorce@redhat.com>
16:14:35 * danofsatx-dt is here
16:14:39 <danofsatx-dt> .hello dmossor
16:14:40 <zodbot> danofsatx-dt: dmossor 'Dan Mossor' <danofsatx@gmail.com>
16:16:44 <stefw> .hello stefw
16:16:45 <zodbot> stefw: stefw 'Stef Walter' <stefw@redhat.com>
16:17:02 <sgallagh> OK, shall we begin.
16:17:04 <sgallagh> ?
16:17:59 <simo> go
16:18:00 <sgallagh> #topic Agenda
16:18:05 <sgallagh> #info Agenda Item: Greet the new members of the Server SIG
16:18:05 <sgallagh> #info Agenda Item: Rename the weekly meetings to "Server SIG Meeting"
16:18:05 <sgallagh> #info Agenda Item: Status check on Fedora 21
16:18:10 <sgallagh> Other agenda items?
16:19:09 <sgallagh> ok
16:19:12 <sgallagh> #topic Greet the new members of the Server SIG
16:19:41 <sgallagh> I'd like to extend a warm welcome to Dan Callaghan and Brandon Vincent who have joined the Server SIG
16:19:51 * nirik waves
16:20:11 <stefw> welcome
16:21:34 <simo> hello!
16:21:35 <sgallagh> I was hoping that the two of them would come to the meeting today, but I don't see them here.
16:22:29 <sgallagh> #info The Server SIG extends a warm hello to Dan Callaghan and Brandon Vincent
16:23:01 <sgallagh> I'll also add that both individuals (as well as danofsatx) have thrown their hat into the ring for the Server WG vacancy.
16:23:20 <sgallagh> As we decided last week, we'll accept nominations until next Monday and discuss it in next week's meeting
16:23:32 <simo> ok
16:23:41 <sgallagh> #info Candidates for Server WG are strongly encouraged to attend next week's meeting
16:24:04 * danofsatx double checks calendar
16:24:20 <danofsatx> I should be available, barring any intergalactic crisis
16:25:15 <sgallagh> danofsatx: If it's an intergalactic crisis that stops you, I think I'm voting you in on principle :)
16:25:24 * nirik may be on a plane. May have wifi tho
16:25:37 <sgallagh> #info Agenda Item: Rename the weekly meetings to "Server SIG Meeting"
16:25:42 <sgallagh> #undo
16:25:42 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by sgallagh at 16:25:37 : Agenda Item: Rename the weekly meetings to "Server SIG Meeting"
16:25:47 <sgallagh> #topic Rename the weekly meetings to "Server SIG Meeting"
16:25:59 <simo> +1
16:26:03 <sgallagh> So, this is pretty much cosmetic, but I think we should rename this meeting
16:26:19 <sgallagh> Since it's certainly not a WG-only club
16:26:26 <danofsatx> Agreed.
16:27:53 <nirik> sure, sounds fine
16:27:54 <sgallagh> Any opposition to this?
16:28:23 <sgallagh> proposed #agreed Meeting will be renamed "Server SIG Weekly Meeting" to be more clear that it's open to all.
16:28:26 <mitr> +1
16:29:13 <sgallagh> #agreed Meeting will be renamed "Server SIG Weekly Meeting" to be more clear that it's open to all.
16:29:18 <sgallagh> #topic Status check on Fedora 21
16:29:31 <sgallagh> OK, so we are currently building RC2 of Fedora 21
16:29:46 <sgallagh> At this time, there are no known open blocker bugs.
16:29:58 <sgallagh> Does anyone wish to dispute this claim?
16:30:46 <sgallagh> We had a minor issue related to the branding changes in RC1, but we got that solved yesterday in time for RC1
16:31:00 <sgallagh> The other issues were with anaconda and are (to the best of my knowledge) addressed.
16:31:11 <nirik> yeah, we will see.
16:31:31 <sgallagh> "They'll all see!"
16:32:10 <sgallagh> But seriously: is anyone aware of anything that could be an issue? We have just barely enough time left to do an RC3 if we had to.
16:32:20 <sgallagh> (Before Go/No-Go on Thursday)
16:32:29 <simo> I think it is time to ship it
16:32:31 <simo> :)
16:32:47 <sgallagh> simo: +$MAX_UINT512
16:32:53 <danofsatx> I got as far as the install, I didn't check the rolekit tests yet
16:33:20 * danofsatx can do that today, althoug will need to repeat with RC2
16:33:30 <sgallagh> danofsatx: There have been no functional changes there, so the only thing that could possibly be broken would be with package install, I think
16:33:51 <sgallagh> Oh wait, there was one change from Beta
16:33:51 <danofsatx> that's what I'm expecting - no issues ;)
16:34:06 <simo> sgallagh: or other system related issues like selinux policy changes or similar
16:34:11 <sgallagh> We no longer need the primary_ip argument to the Domain Controller role, because FreeIPA fixed the underlying bug that necessitated it
16:34:21 <sgallagh> simo: Right, of course.
16:34:44 <danofsatx> yeah, I did test that much - it worked. I forgot to set a hostname, which is what failed my test.
16:34:50 <sgallagh> danofsatx: Your assistance with testing this stuff is greatly appreciated
16:34:56 <danofsatx> erm, caused my test to fail, that is
16:34:57 <nirik> everyone should test rc2 as much as they can once it lands.
16:35:07 <sgallagh> danofsatx: Yeah, we should document that
16:35:31 <sgallagh> #info everyone should test rc2 as much as they can once it lands.
16:35:55 <sgallagh> #info We hope that this will be the final release candidate
16:36:32 <sgallagh> OK, so I think we're in good shape.
16:36:42 <sgallagh> #topic Open Floor
16:37:01 <sgallagh> I just had one additional topic that came to mind during the meeting:
16:37:28 <sgallagh> #info Please poke around at http://stg.getfedora.org/ and provide feedback to the websites team.
16:37:47 <simo> I have one question too
16:37:58 <sgallagh> Sure, go ahead
16:38:27 <simo> ok so for a while I have been wondering why we go to a "meeting room" for this meeting instead of just holding it on #fedora-server
16:39:04 <nirik> because more people who might be only interested in parts of our meeting might see something of interest.
16:39:19 <nirik> for example there's 184 people in #fedora-meeting
16:39:21 <simo> what do you mean ?
16:39:43 <simo> well if they are interested in server I would think they join #fedora-server ?
16:39:43 <nirik> if they lurk there and see "rolekit" or something they might find it of interest and look it up or chime in that they worked on something similar
16:39:59 <simo> I sometimes am joined to a meeting room ... simply because I forget the bug out
16:40:00 <simo> :)
16:40:09 <nirik> additionally, especially after release, people might come to #fedora-server for help
16:40:21 <nirik> so they would jump into a meeting and get confused or distract it
16:40:45 <simo> ok the latter may make some sense, although there are tool to deal with that in theory
16:41:23 <simo> I just thought it would be more inclusive there
16:41:27 <danofsatx> yeah, the only channels that usuall hold their meetings in channel are the low-traffic, non-user facing channels. like oVirt, cockpit, and others
16:41:35 <nirik> I think it's less inclusive there. ;)
16:41:41 <simo> so people do not have to remember to join a specific room if they are around they can simply participate
16:42:13 <simo> nirik: well I do not buy that line of thought
16:42:27 <simo> but my question has been answered I would say
16:42:29 <danofsatx> and to be blunt, the folks in #fedora have no qualms whatsoever of pointing people to the "correct" channel for support ;)
16:42:29 <nirik> ok, I guess we agree to disagree.
16:42:51 <sgallagh> That's also why I announce the meeting room multiple times in the channel
16:43:24 <simo> sgallagh: the problem I have is that if I am "late" I do not get to read the backlog and catch up :)
16:44:04 <nirik> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2014-12-02/fedora-meeting-2.2014-12-02-16.10.log.txt
16:44:18 <nirik> (it starts writing as soon as the meeting starts, so you can read back there)
16:45:02 <danofsatx> and the logs & minutes are (usually) mailed out by sgallagh or other interested parties shortly after the endmeeting call
16:45:20 <simo> ok ok
16:47:04 <jreznik> if you have anything for server for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F21_Final_release_announcement - feel free to edit it
16:47:45 <sgallagh> #info if you have anything for server for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F21_Final_release_announcement - feel free to edit it
16:47:56 <sgallagh> Does anyone else have anything for Open Floor?
16:48:06 <sgallagh> If not, I'll close out the meeting in two minutes.
16:48:20 <danofsatx> Remote logging TC?
16:48:27 <simo> TC ?
16:48:30 <danofsatx> or discuss in channel?
16:48:32 <sgallagh> test case
16:48:37 <simo> ooh
16:48:40 <sgallagh> danofsatx: Here is fine
16:48:46 <sgallagh> #topic Remote Logging Test Case
16:48:53 <sgallagh> danofsatx: You have the floor
16:49:15 <danofsatx> OK, then. The problem stems from the fact that the two remote logging solutions available for F21 are not installed by default.
16:50:08 <sgallagh> Right, we currently aren't shipping rsyslog or the new journal remote logger in the default install
16:50:09 <danofsatx> rsyslogd and systemd-journal-gateway are both available in the repos, but neither are installed. One of them needs to be installed and configured to test the functionality.
16:50:36 <sgallagh> Right, and in previous discussion we settled on rsyslog, right?
16:50:58 <danofsatx> OK, that's what I wanted to clarify - if we wanted to test the old standby, or current-generation.
16:51:34 <nirik> we aren't installing rsyslog? I thought we were?
16:51:41 <danofsatx> not in F21.
16:51:49 <danofsatx> at least not in RC1, anyhow.
16:52:25 <sgallagh> nirik: No, it got pulled out of the default Fedora install some time ago (F17?) and we didn't actually add it back into the Fedora Server installer.
16:52:51 <nirik> ok, bumer.
16:52:52 <sgallagh> In hindsight, we perhaps should have, but I'm surely not respinning Final just for that. It's easy-enough to install
16:52:56 <nirik> sure.
16:53:11 <nirik> I guess our tech spec doesn't say it's installed by default.
16:53:44 <danofsatx> ok, I will get to work on writing up a draft and submit to @server today or Thursday
16:53:51 <sgallagh> Right, we only guarantee that it's possible to set up
16:53:53 * danofsatx has a 6-page final to write in the meantime
16:53:57 <sgallagh> danofsatx: Thanks very much
16:54:46 <sgallagh> OK, is that it, folks?
16:56:59 <sgallagh> #endmeeting