16:04:01 <cwickert> #startmeeting FAmSCO 2014-08-26
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16:04:07 <cwickert> #meetingname FAmSCO 2014-08-26
16:04:07 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco_2014-08-26'
16:04:38 <cwickert> #topic Roll call
16:05:09 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
16:05:11 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@gmail.com>
16:05:48 <cwickert> #info sesivany is in vacation, tuanta sent regrets
16:06:30 * masta is here
16:06:51 <cwickert> ping robyduck lbazan yn1v
16:06:54 <cwickert> #chair masta
16:06:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert masta
16:07:02 <cwickert> chair robyduck lbazan
16:08:22 <cwickert> hmmm
16:08:24 <cwickert> :(
16:08:50 * cwickert waits another 5 minutes before closing the meeting due to the lack of participation
16:09:18 <masta> I have nothing, so yes... wait a few minutes, then move to close.
16:11:34 <cwickert> masta: that would have been my next question. unless you have anything on your mind, we just cancel the meeting
16:12:47 <masta> thank you cwickert
16:12:55 * masta wanders off
16:12:56 <cwickert> :)
16:14:18 * lbazan here
16:14:24 <lbazan> .fas lbazan
16:14:25 <zodbot> lbazan: lbazan 'Luis Enrique Bazán De León' <bazanluis20@gmail.com>
16:14:42 <lbazan> cwickert: :-)
16:14:50 <robyduck> .fas robyduck
16:14:51 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
16:15:00 <cwickert> oh come on guys
16:15:08 <cwickert> masta: still around?
16:15:10 <robyduck> sorry,I'm still om the train...
16:16:09 <lbazan> tuanta send regrets today!
16:16:27 <cwickert> I already said that ;)
16:16:50 <lbazan> cwickert: :o :P
16:18:16 <cwickert> so we have three famsco members
16:18:24 <lbazan> cwickert: masta ?
16:18:28 <cwickert> of which one is on a train and the other still at work (me)
16:18:29 <robyduck> seems so
16:18:39 <lbazan> cwickert: ok
16:18:39 <cwickert> lbazan: masta left because you and robyduck were not present
16:18:49 <cwickert> I think we should just cancel the meeting
16:19:00 <cwickert> and think about if this timeslot still works for us
16:19:12 * robyduck is sorry for that
16:19:21 <cwickert> it's not the best for me, but I'm afraid we won't find a better time
16:19:22 * lbazan :S
16:19:42 <cwickert> lbazan, robyduck: anything you want to discuss?
16:20:00 <robyduck> well we have a ticket but we can't vote today
16:20:17 <robyduck> and I modified the ambassadors wiki page, maybe we can discuss that a bit
16:20:20 <lbazan> robyduck: 367
16:20:24 * robyduck looks for link
16:20:34 <robyduck> .famsco 367
16:20:34 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/367
16:21:56 * cwickert is conflicted about this
16:22:21 <robyduck> cwickert: it came up during the last EMEA meeting
16:22:27 <cwickert> robyduck: do the mentors support that?
16:22:37 <lbazan> robyduck: you send this to the mentor list?
16:22:44 <cwickert> right
16:22:45 <robyduck> no
16:23:01 <cwickert> we have been talking about formalizing the process to become a mentor
16:23:06 <robyduck> we don't have the new process actually, do we?
16:23:12 <cwickert> this would be a good exercise
16:23:34 <cwickert> robyduck: well, the current process is hardly defined, but requires that the mentors agree
16:23:36 <cwickert> did they?
16:23:53 <cwickert> #topic Re-appoint Paul Mellors as mentor for EMEA
16:23:57 <robyduck> no, they don't
16:24:10 <cwickert> ok then, then please bring it up on the mentors list first
16:24:18 <robyduck> as I said, I followed th old process, famsco members can propose mentors
16:24:33 <robyduck> but I'm ok with that, let me send that to the list ASAP
16:24:48 <robyduck> and next week we can vote, ok?
16:24:57 <robyduck> (hopefully)
16:24:59 <cwickert> robyduck: that is not correct
16:25:06 <cwickert> the current policy is "Prospective mentors are nominated by existing Mentors and confirmed by  FAmSCo"
16:25:31 <cwickert> actually this wording is vague
16:25:36 <lbazan> cwickert: in the regional meeting nominate and the ambassador say +1 or -1
16:25:47 <robyduck> isn't it "by existing mentors or FAmSCo member"?
16:26:19 <robyduck> anyway, we also need to define that better in the next weeks ;)
16:26:25 <cwickert> robyduck: I would disagree. Say a single mentor nominates somebody but all others reject the candidate. would you then want famsco to approve him?
16:26:52 <cwickert> lbazan: please no, let us not make the mentors a bottom up group. it should be invite only
16:27:00 <robyduck> no, surely not. And I'm strongly for having the proposed changes in the mentors process
16:27:14 <robyduck> cwickert: +1
16:27:18 <cwickert> ok, then try to get it started, let's ee how it works out
16:27:24 <lbazan> cwickert: ok
16:27:40 <cwickert> #action robyduck to reach out to the mentors list about ticket #367
16:27:47 <robyduck> cwickert: thx
16:27:52 <cwickert> and then we will revisit this next week, thanks
16:28:10 <lbazan> :-)
16:28:33 <robyduck> cwickert: may I have your opinion also about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService#Inactive_Ambassadors
16:29:01 <cwickert> lbazan: one last word on this: I think that groups like mentors or packager sponsors should really be meritocratic, this means the existing mentors or sponsors ask prospective candidates
16:29:13 <cwickert> and not having people who are not mentors having vote about it
16:29:25 <cwickert> anyway, on to robyduck's question
16:30:16 <lbazan> cwickert: ok
16:30:17 <cwickert> robyduck: this is your proposal or was this already agreed upon`
16:30:18 <cwickert> ?
16:30:21 <robyduck> cwickert: we discussed this last week and we saw we never updated the wiki to proceed
16:30:27 <lbazan> robyduck: +1
16:31:04 <robyduck> we decided months ago to do that, the process should be like this, also after the discussion in the ML
16:31:19 <cwickert> robyduck: but as far as I remember the previous discussions, we said we would not revoke the ambassadors status but only set people to inactive
16:31:33 <cwickert> I'm pretty sure we even voted about this
16:31:33 <robyduck> yes, and that's what I wrote
16:31:36 <cwickert> no
16:32:03 <robyduck> IMHO yes, "set as inactive"
16:32:04 <cwickert> "remove from 'ambassadors' group in Fedora Account System" means you revoke their status
16:32:32 <cwickert> they would have to re-apply and be sponsored again, thus you remove their ambassadors membership
16:32:49 <robyduck> where did I write this? I'm blind atm
16:33:02 <robyduck> ah no, cwickert
16:33:14 <robyduck> cwickert: I wrote only the last paragraph!
16:33:25 <robyduck> *Inactive Ambassadors*
16:34:16 <cwickert> wow
16:34:28 <cwickert> I think the wiki describes something we never really agreed to
16:34:36 * cwickert browses the history
16:34:50 <cwickert> #topic "Inactive Ambassadors (again)"
16:36:47 <cwickert> ok, so, it seems as these steps were added by kital, however he had a different use case in mind
16:37:07 <cwickert> this was meant for people who WANT to leave
16:37:15 <cwickert> and not for people who are declared inactive
16:37:52 <cwickert> I think this needs further discussion before we ratify this
16:38:14 <cwickert> robyduck: can you mark your proposal as "under discussion" or so`
16:38:15 <cwickert> ?
16:38:17 <robyduck> cwickert: you are speaking about the paragraph above, right?
16:38:43 <cwickert> robyduck: yes, but in combination with your paragraph, it has a totally different meaning
16:38:51 <robyduck> ok, I agree
16:39:03 <cwickert> there have been changes to the wikipage and I am still trying to figure out what happened
16:39:07 <robyduck> because above it says we will remove him from the FAS after 6 months
16:39:34 <cwickert> #action cwickert to get in touch with kital for clarification of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService#Inactive_Ambassadors
16:39:38 <robyduck> am I chair?
16:39:44 <cwickert> yes you are
16:39:45 <robyduck> ah ok, you did, cool
16:40:24 <robyduck> #action robyduck to set the 'inactive ambassadors' paragraph to *under discussion*
16:40:28 <cwickert> robyduck: I really don't know the backlog and I don't want to make a decision without contacting kital first. not to mention we don't have a quorum anyway
16:40:34 <cwickert> robyduck: thanks!
16:40:42 <robyduck> ok, I'm fine with it
16:40:52 <robyduck> anything else?
16:41:55 <robyduck> FUDCon LATAM perhaps?
16:42:27 <lbazan> robyduck: nop
16:42:31 <lbazan> robyduck: logo?
16:42:44 <cwickert> is that a yes or no?
16:42:46 <cwickert> :)
16:42:52 <robyduck> lbazan: do you have it?
16:42:54 <robyduck> haha
16:42:58 <cwickert> to discuss or not to discuss, that is the question
16:43:06 <lbazan> cwickert: nope
16:43:07 <cwickert> #topic FUDCon LATAM
16:43:29 <lbazan> cwickert: yn1v have more info about fudcon
16:43:39 <cwickert> ok
16:43:50 <cwickert> so nothing on FUDCon LATAM then?
16:44:20 <lbazan> nop
16:44:31 <robyduck> then let's end it for today
16:44:44 <lbazan> wait for next week ..
16:44:57 <lbazan> cwickert: endmeeting :-)
16:45:08 * cwickert is glad he changed the topic ;)
16:45:15 <cwickert> #endmeeting