17:00:01 <sesivany> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2013-11-04
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17:00:03 <sesivany> #meetingname famsco
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17:00:08 <sesivany> #topic Roll Call
17:00:15 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
17:00:18 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
17:00:31 <aeperezt> .fas aeperez
17:00:32 <zodbot> aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' <alejandro.perez.torres@gmail.com>
17:00:34 <aeperezt> .fas aeperezt
17:00:35 <zodbot> aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' <alejandro.perez.torres@gmail.com>
17:00:42 <sesivany> tuanta: ping
17:00:51 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
17:00:52 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
17:01:55 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
17:01:55 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
17:03:09 <sesivany> aeperezt: do you have any info about LokoMurdok? is he coming?
17:04:16 <aeperezt> sesivany, not sure today, he is moving to another job so he is been quite busy lately
17:04:31 <sesivany> aeperezt: ok
17:04:36 <sesivany> let's start then
17:04:47 <cwickert> #info Robert sent regrets, he is on holidays
17:04:47 <sesivany> we've got a new ticket in our trac.
17:05:07 * cwickert will meet with Robert and gsforna later tonight
17:05:36 <sesivany> cwickert: nice, enjoy your beer ;)
17:05:44 <cwickert> we will :)
17:06:09 <tuanta> nice, cwickert. I missed it :)
17:06:11 <sesivany> #topic Ticket #352 - EMEA Mentor Nomination: Keiran Smith [affix]
17:06:23 <sesivany> we've got a ticket in our trac.
17:06:25 <cwickert> .fanso 352
17:06:29 <cwickert> .famso 352
17:06:34 <sesivany> cwickert: thanks
17:06:42 <cwickert> zodbot not workee?
17:06:44 <tuanta> .famsco 352
17:06:44 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/352
17:06:44 <sesivany> .famsco 352
17:06:47 <cwickert> ah
17:06:47 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/352
17:07:20 <sesivany> Paul Mellors nominates Keiran Smith to become a mentor.
17:07:40 <cwickert> has anybody ever met Keiran in RL?
17:07:49 <sesivany> cwickert: I have
17:07:50 * cwickert is not sure, but thinks he met him
17:07:58 <cwickert> and your personal impression?
17:08:07 <sesivany> at LinuxCon Europe, two weeks ago
17:08:14 <cwickert> should we make him mentor? I think we should/could
17:08:29 <sesivany> cwickert: a good guy, enthusiastic about Fedora
17:08:58 <cwickert> yes, I think so
17:09:04 <sesivany> it was a bit difficult to understand him because of his heavy Scottish accent :)
17:09:14 <aeperezt> sesivany, do we need another mentor on Emea
17:09:15 <tuanta> :)
17:09:19 <cwickert> we have talked a lot in private chats
17:09:30 <sesivany> so as long as he communicates with candidates written way, it's ok :D
17:09:43 <cwickert> aeperezt: I think having one for the UK is good, because the UK community really needs to grow
17:10:24 <sesivany> Affix has also been with Fedora Project for many years.
17:10:26 <aeperezt> cwickert, if you think it is needed that is good
17:10:44 <sesivany> and he is also active in other roles: packager,...
17:10:54 <cwickert> he has been around in Fedora for a long time. He may not be steady, but who of us really is? we are all busy sometimes
17:10:58 <cwickert> +1 from me
17:11:04 <sesivany> +1
17:11:26 <tuanta> I have no reason to against this. Also +1 from me
17:11:44 <tuanta> .fasinfo Affix
17:11:45 <zodbot> tuanta: User "Affix" doesn't exist
17:12:02 <aeperezt> +1
17:12:50 <sesivany> #agreed FAmSCo agrees to the EMEA mentor nomination for Keiran Smith
17:13:04 <tuanta> .fasinfo affix
17:13:05 <zodbot> tuanta: User: affix, Name: Keiran Smith, email: fedora@affix.me, Creation: 2007-10-04, IRC Nick: affix, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: B85F3730, Status: active
17:13:08 <zodbot> tuanta: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors packager fedorabugs designteam gitfedora-insight-theme sysadmin web fedora-uk cla_fpca
17:14:05 <sesivany> btw I'm not mentoring two new candidates from Scotland.
17:14:13 <sesivany> so the community is on the rise there.
17:14:45 <cwickert> s/not/now?!
17:15:14 <sesivany> They'd better be because Affix told me he was pretty sure that Scotland would separate from the UK. So they need to build their own community :)
17:15:33 <sesivany> cwickert: thank, I meant "now" of course.
17:15:48 <cwickert> k
17:16:10 <sesivany> ok, let's move on to the next topic.
17:16:28 <sesivany> #topic Swag for APAC
17:16:47 <sesivany> tuanta: did you pick up the swag in Berlin?
17:17:02 <tuanta> I got all of them. Thanks sesivany and cwickert
17:17:13 <cwickert> !
17:17:39 <sesivany> cwickert: go ahead
17:17:43 <cwickert> aeperezt: is it ok if I send 500 pins to you and 500 to LokoMurdok?
17:18:04 <cwickert> please send me your shipping address
17:18:23 <sesivany> cwickert: ok
17:18:39 <sesivany> cwickert: LATAM only wanted 500? Wasn't it 1000?
17:18:49 <tuanta> pins are so cool
17:19:09 <cwickert> sesivany: 500 + 500 = 1000
17:19:27 <cwickert> I can also send them to one place
17:19:46 <sesivany> cwickert: ok, I get it now
17:19:51 <cwickert> #action cwickert to figure out where to send the pins for LATAM
17:20:06 <cwickert> we will discuss this by mail, lets not waste time here
17:20:37 <sesivany> ok
17:20:45 <sesivany> next topic...
17:21:03 <sesivany> #topic "10 years of Fedora" t-shirts
17:21:13 <sesivany> We've started working on this.
17:21:34 <sesivany> robyduck has asked the design team to create an artwork for it.
17:21:44 <aeperezt> cwickert, yes
17:21:53 <sesivany> I got an approval from Ruth in terms of budget.
17:22:09 <sesivany> mailga will take care of administration.
17:22:26 <aeperezt> cwickert, 500 on total or 500 each of us
17:22:35 <cwickert> aeperezt: 500 each
17:22:40 <tuanta> so everything is on the right way
17:22:41 <sesivany> I take care of production and my assistant of shipping.
17:23:06 <aeperezt> cwickert, then no problem send them to us
17:23:15 <cwickert> ok
17:25:11 <sesivany> btw I'm producing "10 years of Fedora" stickers for EMEA. If other regions are interested, you can join us. Or you can use local vendor. There are many vendors who produce stickers.
17:25:53 <tuanta> cool, sesivany. can you give us the design.
17:26:18 <sesivany> tuanta: yes, mnt...
17:26:20 <aeperezt> sesivany, we can produce our own but how we manage budget for it
17:26:49 <aeperezt> sesivany, if design is good we all can produce them locally but what  budget for it?
17:27:26 <sesivany> aeperezt: currently, we don't have any extra budget for it. EMEA will pay it from our local budget for swag.
17:27:34 <tuanta> aeperezt: I think, you can count it to regional budget normally.
17:28:28 <aeperezt> sesivany, tuanta we have no budget left on this quarter and the next is really low
17:28:43 <sesivany> #link https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1309518/10%20years%20fedora.pdf
17:28:46 <aeperezt> and we have to produce f20 media
17:30:04 <aeperezt> In any case I will try a local sponsor to get some printed
17:30:09 <sesivany> I'd love to hear from the NA community what they are going to do with their budget.
17:30:49 <sesivany> because I don't want to end up with 20 grand unspent.
17:31:17 <tuanta> sesivany: can you post the source (svg) onto a wiki?
17:31:26 <sesivany> if they tell us, they won't be able to spend it. Then we'll have more than enough extra money for other regions.
17:31:59 <sesivany> tuanta: it was produced by gnokii. He didn't give me an svg.
17:33:32 <sesivany> cwickert: any idea what to do with NA?
17:33:55 <cwickert> nope
17:34:06 <cwickert> I mean, who is in charge of the budget?
17:34:12 <cwickert> or better of the planning
17:34:52 <cwickert> I think we would need to reach out to those responsible, both for the budget as well as the individual events
17:34:59 <sesivany> cwickert: I don't think there is any planning after they created the budget at FUDCon Lawrence :/
17:35:16 <cwickert> if somebody requested money for an event, but did not spend it, the question is why
17:35:25 <cwickert> did they not go? was it cheaper etc
17:35:58 <sesivany> cwickert: the problem is that their budget is very general: something like: $10000 on swag, $5000 on local events,...
17:36:33 <cwickert> you know what? lets just spend the money elsewhere
17:36:54 <sesivany> cwickert: that's what I'm doing already.
17:37:31 <sesivany> cwickert: I'm spending over our local budget because I'm pretty sure NA won't spend everything they have.
17:37:49 <cwickert> great
17:37:58 <tuanta> cool
17:38:02 <cwickert> just make sure to have an eye on it
17:38:12 <cwickert> and keep in mind thatr NA might come up with more expenses
17:38:27 <cwickert> that are not tracked anywhere as they are directly paid by somebody @ RH
17:38:37 <cwickert> but on the other hand: not our problem
17:38:44 <tuanta> :)
17:38:55 <sesivany> I'll try to reach out to Ruth regarding this. She's the only one who has some idea about spending in NA although I don't think she controls or plans it. She mostly just collects invoices and reports back.
17:38:55 <tuanta> +1 cwickert
17:39:49 <cwickert> well, at least she spends and reports
17:39:52 <aeperezt> sesivany, there some feed back
17:40:05 <sesivany> cwickert: funny thing is that what Ruth reported back based on RH financial data is much less than what we actually spent. There are expenses of thousands of dollars missing.
17:40:38 <sesivany> and I'm 100% sure that those expenses landed in RHT accounting by deadlines.
17:40:52 <tuanta> :)
17:40:53 <sesivany> it just disappeared somewhere :)
17:41:08 <tuanta> so strange
17:41:26 <cwickert> a very wise man once said "I miss the part where this is my problem."
17:41:30 <sesivany> if Red Hat argues we spent too little in the last year, I will argue that they don't even have an idea how much we actually spent.
17:41:53 <aeperezt> sesivany, right
17:42:43 <aeperezt> sesivany, we as latam only use Neville credit card he report every month we have had times were the card has reach it limits
17:42:58 <sesivany> #action sesivany to write Ruth and ask her about NA spendings and plans for Q3-Q4.
17:43:45 <aeperezt> and we account our spending so if RH cannot account what we spend then it is going to be very hard to argue next year budget
17:44:35 <sesivany> aeperezt: in other regions, it's more complicated. in EMEA, we use kital's credit card, I pay some expenses with my credit card and transfer it to Fedora cost center, some expenses are paid by Red Hat directly. But we still have control over it because I collect all those expenses and report them on our budget wiki page.
17:45:03 <aeperezt> sesivany, we are doing the same
17:45:43 <aeperezt> sesivany, my worries is how RH will match our expenses with the budget requested if they cannot keep track of expenses and in latam
17:46:02 <aeperezt> case we only have one way to expend money so it should be easy to track
17:46:16 <sesivany> anyway, it's something we can't solve without cooperation of NA. I'm just saying don't be overly worried if you're spending a couple of hundreds over the limit.
17:46:59 <sesivany> if you don't have any other specific topic, I'll switch to open floor.
17:47:46 * cwickert has nothing
17:47:48 <sesivany> #topic Openfloor
17:48:51 <sesivany> I just want to inform you that the next meeting will be my last till the beginning of December. I'm taking 3 weeks of holiday and going to travel in Asia, won't be online during that time.
17:49:19 <aeperezt> sesivany, good enjoy it
17:49:30 <sesivany> aeperezt: can you please take over the session chairing as a vice-chair during the time of my absence?
17:50:01 <cwickert> dude!
17:50:05 <tuanta> sesivany: if you decide to go to Hanoi, please drop me a line :)
17:50:08 <cwickert> holidays again?
17:50:21 <aeperezt> sesivany, I will do
17:50:26 <cwickert> sesivany: I think I have to talk to your manager! :P
17:50:33 <tuanta> :)
17:50:37 <aeperezt> cwickert, +1
17:50:48 <sesivany> cwickert: yes, the Labour Code has changed and I have to use all my holiday till the end of the year or I'll lose them :-/
17:51:00 <sesivany> and I've saved a lot of days off :)
17:51:00 <aeperezt> sesivany, o
17:51:12 <cwickert> sesivany: then why not lose them?
17:51:15 <cwickert> just kidding
17:51:26 * cwickert will try to host meetings, too
17:51:28 <cwickert> !
17:51:37 <sesivany> cwickert: go ahead
17:51:38 <cwickert> while we are at it
17:51:42 <aeperezt> sesivany, we will sure miss you, probably will be another famsco when you come back
17:51:46 <cwickert> let is please try to focus on the meetings
17:51:50 <cwickert> recently I hosted one
17:51:57 <cwickert> and I nearly freaked out
17:52:04 <cwickert> sorry if I was grumpy or so
17:52:11 <cwickert> but we need to all focus
17:52:26 <cwickert> I mean, we cannot ask 5 people for their +1 and wait for one minute each
17:52:45 <cwickert> so it is important that we have one person leading the meeting and a clear agenda
17:52:51 <cwickert> and all the others please focus
17:53:04 <cwickert> the more focused you are, the shorter the meeting gets
17:53:09 <cwickert> and this is good for all of us
17:53:10 <cwickert> EOF
17:53:19 <tuanta> +1 cwickert
17:53:39 <cwickert> especially for tuanta, it's really late for him
17:53:41 <aeperezt> +1 cwickert
17:53:49 <cwickert> anyway, I think this is a wrap
17:54:04 <cwickert> and sorry if I sounded grumpy in that meeting :)
17:54:07 <sesivany> I agree. I'm chairing the meetings, so I can't afford not to pay attention. But I would definitely appreciate faster reactions of others.
17:54:32 <sesivany> from time to time, I feel like I'm speaking with myself :)
17:55:00 <aeperezt> sesivany, agreed
17:55:04 <sesivany> it wasn't the case of this meeting fortunately :)
17:55:42 <cwickert> ok, I think that's all
17:55:46 <tuanta> I am just thinking and typing slowly. I always focus on the meeting.
17:56:03 <cwickert> a big thanks to sesivany for chairing all the meetings
17:56:22 <cwickert> sesivany: but you will be at Rheinfelden, right?
17:56:23 <sesivany> if it's all, thank you everyone for attending today and meet you next week. I still will be here :)
17:56:29 <sesivany> cwickert: yes
17:56:32 <cwickert> ok
17:56:40 <sesivany> I'll return on Nov 30.
17:57:04 <sesivany> #endmeeting